Manny Ramirez

[yeszir]

What are the sox going to do? He's absolutely indifferent to the success of the team and now seems to be wholly obsessed with creating more "Manny being Manny" moments.

[jacksonianmarch]

He's been trying to beg himself off the team since 2003. And now, with the impetus of his agent, I think he is actively trying to get released. You see, his agent doesnt see a dime if the options are picked up. At least that is what WEEI is reporting. But if he goes out and signs a lucrative 4 yr 60 mil contract (which he will get from a blue and orange NY team), his agent will collect 5-10% of that. So he has his contractual advisor in his ear trying to assist his exodus. Also, he has pulled this s*** before to no avail. The sox nearly dealt him, the sox put him on irrevocable waivers, the sox have tried to be stern with him, it just doesnt work. If I were the sox, I'd put a few prospects together and get Jason Bay or Matt Holliday, make a run at it this yr, then decline the options, offer arb and get 2 picks for your trouble.

[a700hitter]

I am baffled by this guy. I remember how pathetic the Red Sox offenses were prior to getting Manny. Manny brought them to a new level. Does this guy have a mental problem? His behavior is inexplicable and he goes through these meltdowns every year. How do you get rid of him at this point? He has a no-trade clause. If they had exercised his option, maybe this could have been prevented, and they could have traded him at the end of the season. We don't want to see him in a Yankee uniform. They should do with him what the Yankees did with Sheffield.

[a700hitter]

You do have to ask yourself could anyone except Manny create such drama on and off the field? He keeps things from ever getting boring.

 

How will the cowd react to Manny if he plays today?

[Cocos Disciples]

I'm quite befuddled. I don't really know what to think...

[a700hitter]

It's unbelievable how much big money has changed the game. There was never a question whether Yaz would be in the lineup. At this time of year, he was playing everyday as he approached 40 years old even though he had his wrists, his ankles and other parts taped tight.

[a700hitter]

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/

 

What more could we hope for than for ARod to mentor Manny.

[a700hitter]

Manny and Kushi meltdown in the same week. Has there been any history of this?

[jacksonianmarch]

Was there anything good going on during the summer of 2006 when I had my meltdown?

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

The Red Sox are sure to get phone calls about Manny Ramirez if Theo decides to look into moving him. If that is the case then they need to be fully focused on Matt Holliday. I don't want to give up Clay Buchholz or Justin Masterson but Jacoby Ellsbury might be of interest to Colorado. Matt Holliday could be a fixture in the outfield and it probably wouldn't be too long before Kalish, Reddick, and Lin move up the ranks and start knocking on the door.

[Beckett95]

trade him to the mets for Fernando Martinez, Robert Parnell and Fransisco Pena

[yankeessuck013]

The way McCarver said it really caught my attention. Theo saying "and you can say this on air" was extremely odd, they might be trying to get the Mets or Phillies attention on National TV. At this point, I'm not sure the Rox would really shop Holliday at this point still being in the race in an NL West that can be won with 1 breakout month for a team (see last year) but given the current Mets farm system they probably do not have enough to net Holliday themselves. Maybe just maybe the Sox could get a solid piece off of the Mets that they can add into a package to get Holliday now. My heart loves the thought of this and I'm not sure how feasible it really is. Obviously, the Mets would prefer to trade for Holliday themselves but that does not appear possible, especially since they are in the same league. What would it take to get a deal done? What could the Sox get from the Mets for Manny? Could Theo possible net Fernando Martinez? We package with Martinez with Bowden and other pieces. Craig Hansen? Would the Rox like Hansen with his contract up at the end of the year? Just fun to talk about.

[yankeessuck013]

From Buster Olney's latest column:

 

And you know Ramirez would love to be reunited with Pedro Martinez, who would have a chance to keep his old pal from Red Sox days focused and in the lineup.

 

They could make a deal with the Phillies, whose manager, Charlie Manuel, knows Ramirez well from their days together with the Cleveland Guardians. The Phillies could offer someone like a Jayson Werth or a Shane Victorino and a prospect or two.

 

They could make a deal with the Diamondbacks, who are desperately in need of a middle-of-the-order anchor.

 

They could make a deal with the Dodgers, who are overloaded with outfielders, but have a manager in Joe Torre who is accustomed to dealing with star players with diva issues. The offer from L.A. would start with third baseman Andy LaRoche, conceivably.

 

They could discuss a deal with the Cardinals, who would have a fearsome 3-4-5 of Albert Pujols, Ramirez and Troy Glaus. (But keep in mind that the priority of St. Louis right now is upgrading their beleaguered bullpen.)

 

They could discuss a deal with the gritty, gutty Marlins, who don't usually take on guys with high price tags but do have prospects to offer, as well as someone like Josh Willingham.

 

So there would be possible offers out there for Ramirez, and it makes sense for the Red Sox to explore all of those and make calls in the next 48 hours.

[Rdsxmbnt]

If STL was at all interested I'd be on the phone with them since they have some pieces we could really use. I doubt they would trade Rasmus but C Bryan Anderson is probably the 2nd or 3rd best catching prospect in the minors and would be ready to step in next year.

[Cocos Disciples]

I'd be stunned if they make a trade before the deadline including Manny.

[Beckett95]

I think this might be the year they make a deal, he's expendable with Drew, Lowell and Youk all having good years in the middle of the lineup and this has been the worst year for Manny and the Sox organizational problems.

 

The only thing is, is there a team out there who would be willing to give up what the Sox want in return for Manny?

[Jayhawk Bill]

The only thing is' date=' is there a team out there who would be willing to give up what the Sox want in return for Manny?[/quote']

 

Mets.

[yankeessuck013]

I'd be stunned if they make a trade before the deadline including Manny.

 

The Red Sox try to run a very well-oiled business machine and his on and off antics seem to throw a wrench into that machine. He acts outside of the rationale of any reasonable human being. He makes $20 million, the fans adore him and he plays for a winner, but that's not enough to just accept this existence.

 

And, no, I don't know why I quoted your post.

[Gom]

You're not gonna get equal value for Manny, and it's obvious he wants out of Boston. If I was Theo, I'd see what the Mets or Dodgers would give up for him. The Dodgers have a boatload of young talent, and LA would probably appeal to Manny. It's either move him now or get draft picks at the end of the year. I don't see Boston going for another round with Mr. Headcase.

[a700hitter]

You're not gonna get equal value for Manny' date=' and it's obvious he wants out of Boston. If I was Theo, I'd see what the Mets or Dodgers would give up for him. The Dodgers have a boatload of young talent, and LA would probably appeal to Manny. It's either move him now or get draft picks at the end of the year. I don't see Boston going for another round with Mr. Headcase.[/quote'].. or they could exercise his option and trade him like the Yankees did with Sheffield. I don't think they'll want to risk that he'll go to the Yankees.

[Gom]

I can't see him coming to the Yankees. Why spend 20 mil on a headcase like Manny?

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

I can't see him coming to the Yankees. Why spend 20 mil on a headcase like Manny?

 

Yanks spent much more on A-Rod...that may be more of an ego than headcase but I put them in the same category.

 

I believe the Mets and Phillies have inquired about Manny which I like having two teams in the NL East competing and possibly driving up the price. The problem is the trade deadline is only a few days away so if the Red Sox are going to do this they need to work fast, otherwise this could continue after the season.

 

I'm not familiar with either the Mets or Phillies farm system but I'm sure there are pieces the Red Sox would be interested in. My guess is neither team would be interested in making a deal now unless they can sign Manny to an extension but with a few days left in the trade deadline and Scott Boras as his agent....good luck...however....if they pick up his option and then trade him that team would have him for the season then need to come up with an extension so perhaps there isn't a big difference. On one hand a team could have Manny for the 2009 season...or....a team in a current battle for 1st place could tip the scales with the addition.

 

In my opinion nothing matters in talks with Manny Ramirez unless the Red Sox can get Matt Holliday. If they trade Manny in the next several days and don't replace him the season is shot.

[riverside sluggers]

Red Sox- Matt Holliday

Mets- Manny Ramirez, cash considerations

Rockies- Michael Bowden, Ryan Kalish, Robert Parnell

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Red Sox- Matt Holliday

Mets- Manny Ramirez, cash considerations

Rockies- Michael Bowden, Ryan Kalish, Robert Parnell

 

Might be heading in the right direction. Another player to add for the Rockies might be Brandon Moss as I recall hearing the Rox have tried on a few occassions to get him.

 

Another team I'm sure that would be in contact with the Sox is the Cubs. Now that the Brewers and Cardinals are right on there tail.

[jacksonianmarch]

Yanks spent much more on A-Rod...that may be more of an ego than headcase but I put them in the same category.

 

I believe the Mets and Phillies have inquired about Manny which I like having two teams in the NL East competing and possibly driving up the price. The problem is the trade deadline is only a few days away so if the Red Sox are going to do this they need to work fast, otherwise this could continue after the season.

 

I'm not familiar with either the Mets or Phillies farm system but I'm sure there are pieces the Red Sox would be interested in. My guess is neither team would be interested in making a deal now unless they can sign Manny to an extension but with a few days left in the trade deadline and Scott Boras as his agent....good luck...however....if they pick up his option and then trade him that team would have him for the season then need to come up with an extension so perhaps there isn't a big difference. On one hand a team could have Manny for the 2009 season...or....a team in a current battle for 1st place could tip the scales with the addition.

 

In my opinion nothing matters in talks with Manny Ramirez unless the Red Sox can get Matt Holliday. If they trade Manny in the next several days and don't replace him the season is shot.

 

 

you put them in the same category? They couldnt be more dissimilar.

 

Manny is a tempermental nutcase with extraordinary talent who throws temper tantrums to get his way and tries repeatedly to piss on the game and the red sox. Manny wants to get exactly what he wants as well as being left alone.

 

ARod is a greedy diva who embraces the spotlight and wants to be the talk of the town at all times. ARod wants to get as much money as possible and he wants to be in the spotlight.

 

These guys share only greed.

[BSN07]

Red Sox- Matt Holliday

Mets- Manny Ramirez, cash considerations

Rockies- Michael Bowden, Ryan Kalish, Robert Parnell

 

This is almiost the exact deal I stated in the Henry pissed off thread. But I think it could be,

 

Mets Get Manny

Sox get Holliday and Fuentes

Colorado gets Bowden, +2 more prospects from the Sox and have the Mets send F. Martinez +1 to the Rox as well.

 

 

This is one of those deals that it seems like all sides make out. Now Minya is going to have to pick up Mannys options or maybe the Sox allow a 24 hour window to let the Mets try to give him some sort of extension.

[jacksonianmarch]

Might be heading in the right direction. Another player to add for the Rockies might be Brandon Moss as I recall hearing the Rox have tried on a few occassions to get him.

 

Another team I'm sure that would be in contact with the Sox is the Cubs. Now that the Brewers and Cardinals are right on there tail.

 

Right now, the Rox have everyone bent over if a deal for Holliday was going to come around. He is under Rox control for awhile and he is putting together another season for the ages (although the splits show he isnt all that great outside of Coors). I dont see the Rox missing out on one of the duo of Masterson or Buchholz. That is how it will start. Then likely Lowrie. Those two at the top would be a good headline. Then guys a bit lower in the system. To be honest with you, if the sox and rox got together, I could see a massive deal coming together with Fuentes being dealt as well.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Right now' date=' the Rox have everyone bent over if a deal for Holliday was going to come around. He is under Rox control for awhile and he is putting together another season for the ages (although the splits show he isnt all that great outside of Coors). I dont see the Rox missing out on one of the duo of Masterson or Buchholz. That is how it will start. Then likely Lowrie. Those two at the top would be a good headline. Then guys a bit lower in the system. To be honest with you, if the sox and rox got together, I could see a massive deal coming together with Fuentes being dealt as well.[/quote']

 

Outside of Kershaw (who can't be traded for Holliday) and David Price (whom the Rays won't part with)..Bowden may be next in line as the top pitcher in the minors. Based on his age and current pitching level AAA I would expect the Rockies to have serious interest. He is younger than Buchholz and Masterson and further along in his development than they were at 21.

 

I mention Brandon Moss because he is a good defender and has a major league ready bat. He would be starting for most teams right now. The Rockies would have more interest in him than Jed Lowrie since they have Tulo and Barmes. Certainly lower level players would have to be added unless the Red Sox can get a prospect or 2 for Manny.

[Beckett95]

the only thiing about a 3 team blockbuster like that, is that those type of deals usually take a lot of time. Theres only a couple days left till the deadline, so i dont know if a deal like that could just happen within the next 4 days.

[jacksonianmarch]

Outside of Kershaw (who can't be traded for Holliday) and David Price (whom the Rays won't part with)..Bowden may be next in line as the top pitcher in the minors. Based on his age and current pitching level AAA I would expect the Rockies to have serious interest. He is younger than Buchholz and Masterson and further along in his development than they were at 21.

 

I mention Brandon Moss because he is a good defender and has a major league ready bat. He would be starting for most teams right now. The Rockies would have more interest in him than Jed Lowrie since they have Tulo and Barmes. Certainly lower level players would have to be added unless the Red Sox can get a prospect or 2 for Manny.

 

I think you might be overstating Bowden a bit