Tavarez to the Rockies?

[yeszir]

http://www.denverpost.com/rockies/ci_9163855

 

The relevant snippets:

While they wait for internal options to heal their wounds and fix their mechanics, the Rockies are actively pursuing depth for their rotation, discussing trades with the Reds for Josh Fogg and the Red Sox for Julian Tavarez.

 

The Rockies' motivation is shaped by their need. Colorado is searching for a pitcher to stabilize its rotation until Franklin Morales, Greg Reynolds and the injured Jason Hirsh are ready to contribute sometime next month.

 

Like Fogg, Tavarez is a former Rockie. Colorado has discussed acquiring him on multiple occasions over the past three seasons.

 

Who could the sox legitimately get of value for Tavarez? Word on the street is that one of the reasons that he's been used so sparingly lately is to preserve him for a trade.

[yeszir]

And I guess I'm a bad admin, but I just don't want to put this in the rumor mill. I'm considering combining the rumor mill and the talk sox forums anyway.

[The Dustball]

As much as i don't like Tavarez, he does a decent job at saving the other pitchers arms during a blowout. With the loss of Snyder he is really the only one who can come in a give 3 or 4 innings. I think that he is important to have around since our some of our rotation (lester, Dice-K, and Wakefield) have shown that they can be wild and chased from the game early. Tavarez may not be great, but he is an important piece of the pen.

[Sesame]

I don't know if whatever we'd get in return would be enough to offset the clubhouse disruption it would cause. Sometimes it seems like Tavarez is the only guy that keeps Manny in check.

 

Also, lets not forget

http://www.survivinggrady.com/uploaded_images/tavares0328-710189.jpg

 

Plus, I've heard this Tavarez to Colorado talk before. It hasn't happened yet...

[BSN07]

I think it would have to be a very nice deal for Theo to trade away Manny's best friend. I know it does sound somewhat silly. But we all know how Manny can be. It could not even phase him and he continues with his great start, or he could turn sour and pout and make a stink. He could go either way. To take that risk, Colorado would have to be offering something very vauable IMO.

[BoSox21]

With the loss of Snyder he is really the only one who can come in a give 3 or 4 innings.

 

he's in Pawtucket so he is an option if Tavarez gets traded but to me, far from a viable option

 

I think it would have to be a very nice deal for Theo to trade away Manny's best friend. I know it does sound somewhat silly. But we all know how Manny can be. It could not even phase him and he continues with his great start' date=' or he could turn sour and pout and make a stink. He could go either way.[/quote']

 

he won't pout if he wants his $20 mil option to be picked up

[The Dustball]

he's in Pawtucket so he is an option if Tavarez gets traded but to me, far from a viable option

 

 

 

 

Oh i did not realize that he had accepted assignment to AAA. Anyway, I doubt that the Rockies will be offering anything of significant value and unless they do, i think it would be a good move to keep Tavarez here.

[German Workers Party]

Oh i did not realize that he had accepted assignment to AAA. Anyway' date=' I doubt that the Rockies will be offering anything of significant value and unless they do, i think it would be a good move to keep Tavarez here.[/quote']

 

Ehh not really, I think the rocks need a rock.

[SCM33]

I don't know if whatever we'd get in return would be enough to offset the clubhouse disruption it would cause. Sometimes it seems like Tavarez is the only guy that keeps Manny in check.

 

I agree with this.....risk reward here. Tavarez is pretty popular in the clubhouse. If they get nothing for him, which is more than likely then they shouldnt do it.

[BoSox21]

I guess the only way they do it is if they know they can get something from Colon or Schilling soon and relegate Wakefield to spot starter/long reliever status

[SCM33]

I guess the only way they do it is if they know they can get something from Colon or Schilling soon and relegate Wakefield to spot starter/long reliever status

 

Man will wake have a problem with that....he does not like to pitch in relief, although he is likely to accept it regardless.

[BoSox21]

Man will wake have a problem with that....he does not like to pitch in relief' date=' although he is likely to accept it regardless.[/quote']

 

he's shown over the years that he's pretty accepting of whatever role the organization wants him to have and it's a credit to his professionalism and loyalty to the Sox

[Mr Crunchy]

i like tavares,he is very important to have in the bullpen because nobody knows for sure if today is the day that he snaps his carrot and sends a few guys to the IC unit with head injuries and broken hands.

wake is too valuable for the pen

as shown last evening he can still be very effective and as shown thruout his career he can eat 175-200innings for you with an under 5.00 era.

bringing this guy out of the bullpen is a recipe for disaster unless you have a multiple run lead..he had some good #s as a closer but you just invite anxiety with a knuckleballer coming into the game with a 1 run lead.

schill and colon?

schill wont be seen pitching till august minimum

colon may be ready soon

however

colon may never see the major leagues again,i dont know what kind of shape he is in and when he did have success in pawtucket he overthrew and found himself in the trainers room for the past month.

becks dice wake lester and buckholz with the 2-3-4-5 guys switchable

dice k throws 110 pitches thru 5 far too often,i understand they're hitting .160 against him but he's setting himself up for failure by refusing to throw his fastball more often.

ya hes 5*0 with a great era....and thats the bottom line i guess

consider this.

what were matt clements #s in 2005 when he made the allstar team for us??

you cant walk 8 men in 5 innings and expect success and this is essentailly how hideo nomo pitched himself out of baseball.

[BoSox21]

what were matt clements #s in 2005 when he made the allstar team for us??

 

going into July in 2005, Clement was 9-1 with a 3.33 ERA and ended up with a 4.57 ERA which got ballooned by a handful of god awful starts (see Josh Beckett 2006). But after getting drilled in the head and lit up his playoff start, he tanked 2006 till he got shut down

[YAZMAN]

I guess the only way they do it is if they know they can get something from Colon or Schilling soon and relegate Wakefield to spot starter/long reliever status

 

If Colon can make it back, he'll work middle relief.

 

Schilling won't be ready anytime soon, and when he is he'll spot start to get/stay sharp. I could even see him getting some scheduled middle relief work on a strict pitch count.

 

He's a vet and a smart guy who knows and understands the what's and why's of what he's doing this year. Sarting the 1st inning or the 6th inning isn't going to make any difference to him until the season is on the line for the team.

 

After what he's gone through, there's no way they put him into the regular rotation unless it's the only option they have. Why risk him reinjuring or having his shoulder "run out of gas" before the playoff stretch when you have 5 servicable starters?

[VA Sox Fan]

Sox talks with Rockies on Tavarez still alive

 

Posted by Nick Cafardo, Globe Staff May 11, 2008 06:52 PM

 

MINNEAPOLIS - The Red Sox are still talking with the Colorado Rockies about a deal for reliever Julian Tavarez. News of the talks, first reported in the Denver Post last week, have not died out, but remain active accordiing to a major league source with knowledge of the situation.

 

The Sox traded Bryan Corey today to the San Diego Padres. With Bartolo Colon (oblique) making progress in his rehab assignment in Pawtucket where he was gunned at 97 mph, the Sox might be trying to find a spot for Colon.

 

Tavarez is 0-1 with a 7.15 ERA, but it's been difficult for the Red Sox to get work for Tavarez. He pitched an inning last Wednesday, but hadn't worked before April 24th prior to that

[CrespoBlows]

The Red Sox are still discussing a deal with the Rockies involving Julian Tavarez.

 

Rather than pick up immediate help, the Red Sox would probably want a prospect from the Rockies. Some possibilities could include outfielder Seth Smith, catcher Michael McKenry and pitchers Jhoulys Chacin, Shane Lindsay and Juan Morillo.

[Jayhawk Bill]

(Possible prospects to be had for Julian Tavarez.)

 

Wow. I thought that Dexter Fowler was fair value; I overestimated.

[CrespoBlows]

Lindsay would be a good pickup. Good arm, with good strikeout rates.

 

Doesn't really throw strikes, though.

[Cocos Disciples]

Haha, Seth Smith, he made the last out in the WS...do we really need to make that a tradition?

[jacksonianmarch]

Wow. I thought that Dexter Fowler was fair value; I overestimated.

 

Not even close. Fowler is likely an untouchable. There is no way they move him for a washed up long man.

[Jayhawk Bill]

Not even close. Fowler is likely an untouchable. There is no way they move him for a washed up long man.

 

"Untouchable?" Here are the top 20 PECOTA comparables for Dexter Fowler:

 

1 Sheldon Fulse

2 Rashad Eldridge

3 Dwight Maness

4 Kevin Gibbs

5 Ray Holbert

6 Kenny Kelly

7 Ron Krause

8 Cesar Crespo

9 Keith Mckoy

10 Andre King

11 Brian Hunter

12 Jarred Ball

13 Larue Baber

14 Tarrik Brock

15 Nook Logan

16 Jeff Jackson

17 Nathan Haynes

18 Jamie Athas

19 Carl Everett

20 Dave Krynzel

 

Carl Everett had an OK career, attitude aside (peak value seven wins a year, but with erratic ups and downs). Brian Hunter and Nook Logan were a rung lower (peak value under four wins a year). The rest were washouts.

 

You see Tavarez as a "washed up long man;" I see Tavarez as a currently healthy guy who started 23 games last year and is one of the few active MLB pitchers with a demonstrated track record of reasonable success at hitters' paradise Coors Field (career ERA 4.42 in 89.3 IP there). You see Fowler as "untouchable;" I see a guy 85% likely not to have an MLB career worth anything. Cheez, you're so negative about this I'd almost wonder if you even liked the Red Sox.

 

Oh, wait...never mind.

[Mr Crunchy]

hes coming around william,its not easy for him but its inevitable.

it will take a few more years of ball numbing sadness to break him but before he puts his 1st kid on the bus he'll be on the right side of the fence...he has a good sense of ethics and a backbone,theres no way fredo steinbrenner and his gaggle of idiots will keep a guy like this on the dark side unless they get back to winning world series titles and that my friends,is a ways away...

[jacksonianmarch]

I am not saying he is going to be amazing or anything, I am just saying that he is one of their top org prospects whose power is developing, has a good eye and runs like the wind. 5 tool players who are improving as they move up through a system are not easily dealt for. Let alone for crap.

[Jayhawk Bill]

I am not saying he is going to be amazing or anything' date=' I am just saying that he is one of their top org prospects whose power is developing, has a good eye and runs like the wind. 5 tool players who are improving as they move up through a system are not easily dealt for.[/quote']

 

You do realize that Dexter Fowler was a 14th-round draft pick, right? Yeah, he wanted bonus money, but less than a million dollars.

 

You say "improving;" I check THT and read, "Fowler is a five-tool talent, but not all of his tools are translating to baseball skills; his stolen base success rate is mediocre despite excellent speed and he didn't hit for much power outside of his hitter-friendly home park."

 

That was written after 2006. In 2007 he dropped from 8 HR to 2 HR for the entire season, dropped from 31 to just 7 doubles, and lost 1% off his stolen base success rate while stealing half as many bases.

 

He's done well thus far in the Texas League, but it's a hitter's league. I see a guy in his fourth MiLB season who'll have to be 40-man roster protected despite being of questionable value at the MLB level.

 

This reminds me of Cesar Crespo. Tools do not mean skills.

 

Let alone for crap.

 

Are you assessing Tavarez by his dozen innings this year? He's healthy, and he has a good track record starting in Coors Field. He's worth a prospect...let's see if the trade goes down and how much salary Boston has to cover if it does go down. I'll predict that either Colorado picks up the whole contract OR that the talent returned is close to Fowler's worth if a trade is made.

[BSN07]

Might not have to worry about it anymore...

 

Rockies' Talks For Tavarez Dead?

MONDAY: Troy E. Renck of the Denver Post says the Rockies' talks for Tavarez are dead. His guess is that the Rockies will end up with Josh Fogg and won't have to give up anyone.

[Youk Of The Nation]

If the Rockies wanted Josh Fogg why didn't they just resign him?

[jacksonianmarch]

Sounds like Tavarez is about to sign a deal with Milwaukee.