Hank: Joba needs to start now

[MANNYHOF24]

http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080421&content_id=2563501&vkey=news_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy

 

 

Haha, this is great. Joba to the rotation who is going to setup? Bruney? Farnsworth? The Yankees are going to have a tough year.

[Youk Of The Nation]

So basically he just called Girardi an idiot. Awesome.

[yankeessuck013]

girard couldnt handle the marlins owner getting involved, how is he gonna handle hanky getting involved. but I can't tell you how much I love this. with rob and big done, they need to start a reality show based on the daily comings and goings of Hank. Hanktv ... it really needs to happen.

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girard couldnt handle the marlins owner getting involved' date=' how is he gonna handle hanky getting involved. but I can't tell you how much I love this. with rob and big done, they need to start a reality show based on the daily comings and goings of Hank. Hanktv ... it really needs to happen.[/quote']

I agree. Must See TV.

 

Ca$h already said today in response to Hank's comments that it's not going to happen. At least not now.

[YAZMAN]

He's shaping up to be everything his father was, except potentially more stupid. This should get better with time.

[a700hitter]

If they start to stretch him out now, he wouldn't be ready until the middle of May. Take him out of the bullpen now, and this team might as well throw in the towel. The next 4 weeks would be abysmal without Joba in the pen.

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He's shaping up to be everything his father was' date=' except potentially more stupid. This should get better with time.[/quote']

It's not hard to be stupider than George. Believe it or not, George was far from stupid. He was just very impatient and had such high standards.

 

But yes, Hank is probably quite stupid

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If they start to stretch him out now' date=' he wouldn't be ready until the middle of May. Take him out of the bullpen now, and this team might as well throw in the towel. The next 4 weeks would be abysmal without Joba in the pen.[/quote']

absolutely

 

He NEEDS to be in the pen. Give Igawa or Rasner a shot, or look outside of the organization. If nothing works, then consider using Joba.

[Mr Crunchy]

""you gotta be an idiot""

 

hmmmmn

fredo steinbrenner does know about idiots having to see one in the mirror daily.

why does this f***ing idiot speak?

joe girardi or brian cashman

who walks the line 1st?

based on cashmans ability to survive this long id say he outlasts girardi who won coach of the year and got fired the same summer.

[BudLight]

Okay, Hank math:

 

Joba goes into the rotation now, he gets 20-25 starts, he wins 15 of them. Joba comes out of the bullpen, the Yankees have no 8th inning guy, they are unable to hold a lead and drop 20 or more games because of that. Five games in the AL East can mean the difference between playing in October or not. Hank, shut up and let the manager manage and the GM make personnel decisions.

[Cocos Disciples]

Okay, Hank math:

 

Joba goes into the rotation now, he gets 20-25 starts, he wins 15 of them. Joba comes out of the bullpen, the Yankees have no 8th inning guy, they are unable to hold a lead and drop 20 or more games because of that. Five games in the AL East can mean the difference between playing in October or not. Hank, shut up and let the manager manage and the GM make personnel decisions.

 

But...would he really win 15 out of 20 starts? Assuming he gets some no decisions, thats like, 15-1 or 15-2. And I think blowing 20 games because of his absence is bloated. A lot.

[BudLight]

But...would he really win 15 out of 20 starts? Assuming he gets some no decisions' date=' thats like, 15-1 or 15-2. And I think blowing 20 games because of his absence is bloated. A lot.[/quote']

 

Who in the Yankee bullpen would be the set-up guy for the Yankees with Chamberlain in the starting rotation? Which of the starters, besides Wang is going to give you 7+ innings per start? With Chamberlain, moving him to the rotation with a pitch limit for the season, how many times does he go past the 5th inning? To many questions if Chamberlain is moved out of the bullpen. It stretches guys like Bruney from pitching just a 7th inning to having to pitch the 7th and 8th, or having to bring Mo into games in the 8th. Not a good move. Leave the bullpen the way it is.

[rician blast]

I'm loving this.

 

Girardi is an idiot. Mike Mussina needs to pitch like Jamie Moyer.

 

Does this douchebag ever think before he talks?

[Soxfan1]

I can't wait to see who cracks first. Cashman or Girardi.

[Jayhawk Bill]

I can't wait to see who cracks first. Cashman or Girardi.

 

Girardi will be fired unless he wins, and he may be fired regardless. He was fired in Florida for badmouthing his front office in public, despite his amazing ability to pull wins out of thin air.

 

BTW, has anybody else noticed that the Yankees really suck but that they're still only 3.5 games back of Boston? Despite most of the team's mediocrity, Girardi has the Yankees at .500 in the AL East, a division significantly tougher than the 2006 NL East. He may not kiss up to his boss well, but Girardi sure knows how to manage.

[a700hitter]

Girardi will be fired unless he wins, and he may be fired regardless. He was fired in Florida for badmouthing his front office in public, despite his amazing ability to pull wins out of thin air.

 

BTW, has anybody else noticed that the Yankees really suck but that they're still only 3.5 games back of Boston? Despite most of the team's mediocrity, Girardi has the Yankees at .500 in the AL East, a division significantly tougher than the 2006 NL East. He may not kiss up to his boss well, but Girardi sure knows how to manage.

I disagree. I think Girardi is a dope. He had some pretty good young players on Fla.--- Hanley Ramirez, Uggla, Miggy Cabrera. He was no miracle worker.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

What kind of past injuries has Joba had? Did they come when he was a starter?

[TheKilo]

Being 3.5 games down 21/20 games in is pretty bad.

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Being 3.5 games down 21/20 games in is pretty bad.

What!? Season is long my friend. That's why they play 162. People are already projecting the demise of the Yankees, but we aren't even a month in! This happens every year with at least a few teams. It's rather humorous.

[schillingouttheks]

Knowing him, he was being sarcastic.

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I disagree. I think Girardi is a dope. He had some pretty good young players on Fla.--- Hanley Ramirez' date=' Uggla, Miggy Cabrera. He was no miracle worker.[/quote']

For what reason is Girardi a dope? He's a very smart baseball man and knows his stuff. He managed well in Florida, yes with some good young players, but they were all inexperienced. Listening to broadcasts that he worked back in '04 and last year were very enlightening. You could tell he knew the game very well and would make an excellent manager. Plenty of times you've called Girardi dope and questioned his abilities, but on what grounds? I'm not shooting your opinion down, I just want you to explain it a little.

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Knowing him' date=' he was being sarcastic.[/quote']

oh...woops!

[a700hitter]

For what reason is Girardi a dope? He's a very smart baseball man and knows his stuff. He managed well in Florida' date=' yes with some good young players, but they were all inexperienced. Listening to broadcasts that he worked back in '04 and last year were very enlightening. You could tell he knew the game very well and would make an excellent manager. Plenty of times you've called Girardi dope and questioned his abilities, but on what grounds? I'm not shooting your opinion down, I just want you to explain it a little.[/quote']It's a lot of little things. A couple would be his opening day lineup with Matsui batting 8th. That's just ridiculous, especially when you have that bloated pig Giambi batting 5th. His game managing in that KC game where he started Bruney due to the threatening weather. His use of his pitchers was just dumb. He'll be run out of town within two years.

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It's a lot of little things. A couple would be his opening day lineup with Matsui batting 8th. That's just ridiculous' date=' especially when you have that bloated pig Giambi batting 5th. His game managing in that KC game where he started Bruney due to the threatening weather. His use of his pitchers was just dumb. He'll be run out of town within two years.[/quote']

Personally, I thought it was clever what he did with Bruney. It was a just in case kind of move. If there was a lengthy delay and ti served it's purpose I don't think people would be so critical of it. I thought it was progressive. When you have a young pitcher, and a bullpen that before the 8th inning isn't solid, you have to try things like that. I liked the effort. I can buy your other points, although I can't get too worked up with Giambi batting 5th on opening day. Sometimes reputation and the salary you get payed dictate the way you're used, and on opening day you give him the benefit of the doubt. Now, if he were still batting 5th I would take serious exception with his decision, but he isn't. I do think he needs to cut down on Giambi's playing time a little, but whatever. Hey, maybe you're right. Maybe he doesnt make it beyond 2009, but I don't think it's fair to lynch him just a month into his Yankee tenure. Especially when in his rookie season as a manager he won Manager of the Year. I suppose only time will tell.

 

But hey, if thing's don't work out for him as a manager, he has a career in broadcasting. I thought he did fantastic analytical work.

[a700hitter]

Personally, I thought it was clever what he did with Bruney. It was a just in case kind of move. If there was a lengthy delay and ti served it's purpose I don't think people would be so critical of it. I thought it was progressive. When you have a young pitcher, and a bullpen that before the 8th inning isn't solid, you have to try things like that. I liked the effort. I can buy your other points, although I can't get too worked up with Giambi batting 5th on opening day. Sometimes reputation and the salary you get payed dictate the way you're used, and on opening day you give him the benefit of the doubt. Now, if he were still batting 5th I would take serious exception with his decision, but he isn't. I do think he needs to cut down on Giambi's playing time a little, but whatever. Hey, maybe you're right. Maybe he doesnt make it beyond 2009, but I don't think it's fair to lynch him just a month into his Yankee tenure. Especially when in his rookie season as a manager he won Manager of the Year. I suppose only time will tell.

 

But hey, if thing's don't work out for him as a manager, he has a career in broadcasting. I thought he did fantastic analytical work.

I didn't have a problem with him starting Bruney, but with him using Kennedy in relief after he let Farnsworth mess up the game. If he was going to use Kennedy, he should've used him after Bruney.

 

As for his analysis as a broadcaster, I was not impressed. He went on and on about Manny not running out a ball that looked like a HR in Cleveland, but Manny only got to 1B. The announcers got on him when he did it and rightly so. In the end his failure to run didn't cost the Red Sox, and in fact his hit drove in the winning run of the game. Girardi's post game analysis should have focused on how the Red Sox won the game, but instead he raved and ranted about something that had no impact upon the outcome of the game. He never once mentioned that manny drove in the game winner.

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I didn't have a problem with him starting Bruney, but with him using Kennedy in relief after he let Farnsworth mess up the game. If he was going to use Kennedy, he should've used him after Bruney.

Can't disagree with you there. Forgot about that. Absolutely!

 

As for his analysis as a broadcaster, I was not impressed. He went on and on about Manny not running out a ball that looked like a HR in Cleveland, but Manny only got to 1B. The announcers got on him when he did it and rightly so. In the end his failure to run didn't cost the Red Sox, and in fact his hit drove in the winning run of the game. Girardi's post game analysis should have focused on how the Red Sox won the game, but instead he raved and ranted about something that had no impact upon the outcome of the game. He never once mentioned that manny drove in the game winner.

Was this during a Fox game that he did? Otherwise why would he be calling a Sox game in Cleveland? I always enjoyed listening to him on YES. Either way, that's one game. Not much of a barometer. I'm sure that's not the only basis for your opinion, but I can't help but disagree overall. I'm not saying he was perfect all the time, but considering he has limited experience in the booth, I think he did pretty well when up there. Whatever though, agree to disagree.

[a700hitter]

In the end, it will be the Yankee fans who be most vocal about running him out of town. I couldn't care less if he stays or not.

[a700hitter]

Joba is coming in with one out and bases loaded in the 7th inning in Chicago. Traber and Bruney looked like s***. Bruney didn't cover first base on a ball to the right side. I wonder if Girardi will chew him out for no hustling. He's no Manny and Girardi jumped all over him as a commentator.

[Jayhawk Bill]

I disagree. I think Girardi is a dope. He had some pretty good young players on Fla.--- Hanley Ramirez' date=' Uggla, Miggy Cabrera. He was no miracle worker.[/quote']

 

Cheez, I dunno.

 

In 2005, the Marlins went 83-79 under Jack McKeon, a good manager. After that year, they traded away or let go two extraordinarily good pitchers (AJ Burnett and Josh Beckett), their closer (Todd Jones, 2.10 ERA, 40 saves), their set-up man (Guillermo Mota), their All Star catcher (Paul Lo Duca), their MVP candidate (Carlos Delgado, 6th that year), their MVP candidates the two previous years (Juan Pierre and Mike Lowell), their All Star second baseman (Luis Castillo) and, FWIW, two of their three other starting position players (Juan Encarnacion and Alex Gonzalez). They invested nothing in free agents to fill the vacuum: Brian Moehler was the second-highest-paid player on the 2006 roster at $1.5 million.

 

Let's Check WARP1:

 

Beckett: 6.7

Burnett 6.0

Castillo 5.2

Delgado 7.4

Encarnacion 3.5

Gonzalez 1.6

Jones 7.1

Lowell 2.4

Mota 1.3

Pierre 2.8

 

Total 45.0 wins

 

Despite losing the 45-odd wins represented by the players I listed above, Joe Girardi came in and, in his rookie year as a manager, he brought the Marlins to a 78-84 record, second only to the 97-win Mets in the NL East as late as September 12th, only five games back of the 2005 team which had fifteen million-dollar-salary players despite having only two million-dollar players left.

 

I remain impressed with Girardi's 2006 results, and I see nothing in his 2008 record thus far to convince me that he's not an excellent manager. Of course, YMMV.

 

Edit: Left off Lo Duca...heck, you get the point.

[a700hitter]

Joba k's Quentin on a checked swing, but he walks in a run by walking Crede.