Sox, Colon reach minor league deal

[YAZMAN]

not to go off the mark here but i spit my coffee all over the key board remembering back to an igawa start last year

 

igawa was getting knocked around early and in the yank ingame thread jackson was telling us the 4 pitch arsenal igawa had and how he was figuring him for 175 ip and 14 wins.. as the game went on by the end of the 3rd inning igawa was down 7-1 and i recall jackson bellowing out

""THIS GUY SUCKS"" after his 1000 word essay on how wonderful an addition he would be..

no offense mj

just something that comes to mind every time i see you mention igawa and success in the same page....i expect big things from him this year...15 wins ez

 

i cant wait for april

 

I can't wait for June.

 

FIRE JOE! FIRE JOE!!!

[rician blast]

i cant wait for april

this is the 1st college hoop season i just cant seem to get into

bc sucks pc sucks umass sucks uconn is ok but not a final 4 team

with no local interest and no real studs out there to follow im apathetic about one of my top 3 sports for the 1st time in my life.

 

Then maybe this your year to make some coin on the tourney...I find the little bit of success I might have in these sort of things comes when I have no emotional attachment to any teams and could almost care less.

[Gom]

Jacko is the eternal optimist. He believes everyone is in the best shape of their life, players will recover their lost magic, marginal players will turn into bona fide solid major leaguers, etc.

 

I think everyone sucks. Somewhere, in between our two viewpoints, the truth lies. A lot closer to me, I believe.

[riverside sluggers]

More depth insurance?

 

http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sports/rob_bradford/index.php/2008/02/27/freddy-garcia-is-in-the-house/

 

Freddy Garcia (who isnt expected back until the All Star Break) was at the Red Sox camp to be evaluated

[schillingouttheks]

Crunchy, enjoy the show the Bruins are putting on. The Celtics obviously go without mentioning, but recently the Bruins have been playing quite impressively.

[a700hitter]

A couple of years ago, I went to Fenway on a Saturday afternoon after Colon had pitched either on Thursday or Friday. He was shagging fly balls in CF with the other OFers. He could chase down the ball, and he made some really good catches. I remember thinking that he was not just a fat pitcher, but that he was a very talented athlete in a fatman's body.

[ManRam24]

I think if Bartolo Colon is 100 percent healthy this ould be an amazing thing for the Sox. If you look at the last 2 seasons with the Angels he wasn't even close. Who knows he might be even better then Curt Schilling. I mean Curt kinda had a average year at best he only had 9 wins, almost a 4 ERA and was injured again.

[jacksonianmarch]

Newsflash: Schilling is out for the majority of the yr.

 

Newsflash#2: Colon will never be the same pitcher he was when he was winning CY

[BSN07]

Newsflash: Schilling is out for the majority of the yr.

 

Newsflash#2: Colon will never be the same pitcher he was when he was winning CY

 

 

Newsflash: Wang is worthless in the PO, Pettite is a yr older and has baggage, Mussina is holding on by a thread, Hughes and Kennedy are both unknowns and health risks. The pitching depth behind this is suspect......

 

Sorry I thought we where stating the obvious:dunno:

[8191]

Colon doesn't have to be the old CY he is not our 1, 2, or even 3.

 

I think he'll end up helping and could be a big plus

[YAZMAN]

Newsflash: Schilling is out for the majority of the yr.

 

Newsflash#2: Colon will never be the same pitcher he was when he was winning CY

 

Fast forward to June:

 

Newsflash: FIRE JOE, FIRE JOE!!!

[ksushi]

I don't think we neccessarily need Colon to be anything other than a mop up guy to have a successful season. Schillings injury, IMO, is going to turn out to be more of a blessing than a burden. Buchholz is ready. I love his stuff, and I think Lester is ready for 200. The only people who have spoken about a innings cap on Lester are people outside of the organization. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think Theo has commented on limited Lesters innings like he has with Buchholz, but still, I'm not concerned with Buchholz only being alotted 160-180. I expected as much. A midseason stop on the 15 day DL could probably take care of it. Schilling was going to do as much anyways. Maybe by then we can have a better read on Schill's progress and they can spell each other down the stretch.

[TheKilo]

I don't think we neccessarily need Colon to be anything other than a mop up guy to have a successful season. Schillings injury' date=' IMO, is going to turn out to be more of a blessing than a burden. Buchholz is ready. [b']I love his stuff, and I think Lester is ready for 200. The only people who have spoken about a innings cap on Lester are people outside of the organization. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think Theo has commented on limited Lesters innings[/b] like he has with Buchholz, but still, I'm not concerned with Buchholz only being alotted 160-180. I expected as much. A midseason stop on the 15 day DL could probably take care of it. Schilling was going to do as much anyways. Maybe by then we can have a better read on Schill's progress and they can spell each other down the stretch.

 

 

Is this serious?

 

Lester's IP:

 

2004 - 91

2005 - 148.1

2006 - 128.1

2007 - 153

 

We're expecting a 30% increase in Lester's innings? I don't care who you are...that's a lot.

 

160, 175 is one thing. 200? Doubtful.

[ksushi]

I'll be willing to put money on lester being in the 185 - 200 range barring injury, unless of course its work related fatigue in which case I'd pay up. You have to eventually stop treating them with kid gloves, I'm for throwing young pitchers right in the mix.

 

Didn't we go through this exact same thing with Buchholz? I figured he'd do 180, so does Theo, that whole thing? Lets make it simple this go-round. If Lester breaks camp in the rotation, lets make it interesting. Signatures on the line. I assume you're more honorable than Jacko, and would pay up if wrong.

[TheKilo]

Really don't think he's reaching that limit because of the fatigue related issues.

 

You can get by with him at 175-180.

[ksushi]

Ok, 180 sounds like our mark then. I think he will be above that mark.

[BSN07]

Lester-165 regular season innings, if the Sox are in the PO, then add 20 inning for the PO.

 

Buchholz- 150 regular season innings(Major and or minor league), 20 innings for PO.

 

That will put them in the Sox range of innings they want plus have both for the PO.

[ManRam24]

ok, i think its defiently time to give lester 185-200 innings i think hes way ready for it. and as for Buchholz we might want to watch the innings i think he will be in the 165-180 range.

 

 

Projections:

 

Buchholz: 4.30 ERA, 175 IP, 167 SO, and we will go 13-7

 

Lester: 4.37 ERA, 192 IP, 155 SO, and he will go 14-8

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

After reading about Bartolo Colon's latest bullpen session, I'm starting to get the feeling he may start with the team this season. We will get a better feel once he pitches in his first spring training game but I guess he was locating and throwing all of his pitches. If that is the case I don't think Tavarez, Snyder, or Buchholz will be in the rotation come the start of the season.

 

I still think Clay Buchholz is going to have a great year but I'm all for starting him in AAA. I'd like to see him limited in innings pitched for the first 2-4 months and be ready to rock for the second part of the season. Let him get his mechanics straightened out, his arm strength up, and some real confidence dominating in AAA.

 

So far this spring I've heard nothing but good observations from John Farrell regarding Bartolo Colon. This may turn out better than I originally thought.

[Cocos Disciples]

Colon hit 93 in his first spring start.

[BSN07]

I heard hi of 94MPH on fastball, 92-93 avg. *4-88MPH on slider, and 78 on change up. Doesn't sound too bad...

[Mr Crunchy]

JayBill

Whats the word on Colon

I was told he had some decent pop back

[jacksonianmarch]

I heard hi of 94MPH on fastball' date=' 92-93 avg. *4-88MPH on slider, and 78 on change up. Doesn't sound too bad...[/quote']

 

in his appearance, he was sitting 89-90 hitting as high as 94

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

in his appearance' date=' he was sitting 89-90 hitting as high as 94[/quote']

 

Yeah if you average his change, slider, and fastball together.

[BSN07]

in his appearance' date=' he was sitting 89-90 hitting as high as 94[/quote']

 

 

Why am I not surprised you have him lower then what every site I've read, had him at?

[jacksonianmarch]

Why am I not surprised you have him lower then what every site I've read' date=' had him at?[/quote']

 

from rotoworld...

 

Bartolo Colon yielded a run over two innings against the Rays in his spring debut on Thursday.

 

Colon peaked at 94 mph in the game, though he was generally 4-5 mph below that with his fastball. It was still an encouraging first outing for a guy who didn't throw much during February. He could be an option for the Red Sox as soon as mid-April.

[VA Sox Fan]

from rotoworld...

 

 

From the Globe:

 

 

By Nick Cafardo

Globe Staff / March 14, 2008

 

FORT MYERS, Fla. - Bartolo Colon was hitting 94 miles per hour, throwing 92-93 consistently with his four-seam fastball, 84-88 with his slider, and 81 on his changeup, according to a scout's radar gun yesterday. In his heyday, Colon could reach 100 m.p.h.

[jacksonianmarch]

Colon threw hard today but he wasnt even close to the zone.

[BSN07]

Colon threw hard today but he wasnt even close to the zone.

 

He looked strong but inconsistant. Only his 2nd Start tho.

[rician blast]

Did he display enough command to, say, hit ARod in the ribs with a 94 MPH fastball?