Barry Bonds

Gom · February 23, 2008

I don't get it. Why on earth don't the Yankees bring this guy in? His cost would be minimal. With a veteran team like the Yankees, he wouldn't be that much of a distraction. He would basically guarantee the AL East banner. The Red Sox would be playing for the wild card. It's staring the Yankees right in the face, and Cashman is asleep. Look at this lineup"

Damon

Jeter

Bonds

Arod

Abreu

Posada

Giambi

Cano

Cabrera

Unbelievable. I'd sit down Girardi, ask him if he can handle it, which I'm sure he would. Then I'd bring in Arod, Jeter, Pettitte, and Rivera, and see if they'd be ok with it. These guys want to win, so I'm sure they'd be fine. Then sign Bonds to a one year deal. It is so simple, I don't get it. Losing out on Santana is one thing...they had to give up prospects. This costs only money.

TheKilo · February 23, 2008

Because he's facing federal perjury charges?

ARod2212 · February 23, 2008

There are enough distractions in Yankee camp. Great for a fantasy team or a video game team. Not someone you want in the clubhouse.

Cocos Disciples · February 23, 2008

That would definitely not guarantee anything.

a700hitter · February 23, 2008

Girardi is a petty prick. He'd never get along with Bonds.

ARod2212 · February 23, 2008

Girardi is a petty prick. He'd never get along with Bonds.

Yeah Girardi is probably the only manager in the league who wouldn't deal with Bonds' crap. Bonds always gets along so well with everyone.

Anyway besides the whole 'why bother with this *******' argument, we already have an overabundance of left fielders and DHs, I don't see why Bonds fills a need.

My guess is nobody signs him until the season gets underway, and somebody gets desperate after a key injury.

a700hitter · February 23, 2008

Yeah Girardi is probably the only manager in the league who wouldn't deal with Bonds' crap. Bonds always gets along so well with everyone.

Anyway besides the whole 'why bother with this *******' argument, we already have an overabundance of left fielders and DHs, I don't see why Bonds fills a need.

My guess is nobody signs him until the season gets underway, and somebody gets desperate after a key injury.

The players in Florida hated the Girardi.

ARod2212 · February 23, 2008

The players in Florida hated the Girardi.

Well I'll wait to see what happens in New York. I can see how it could become a problem because Girardi seems to be a demanding manager, but with this clubhouse belonging to Jeter, Rivera, and Pettitte, I can't imagine a mutiny happening in the Bronx.

So far so good, anyway.

a700hitter · February 23, 2008

Well I'll wait to see what happens in New York. I can see how it could become a problem because Girardi seems to be a demanding manager, but with this clubhouse belonging to Jeter, Rivera, and Pettitte, I can't imagine a mutiny happening in the Bronx.

So far so good, anyway.

Farnsworth and Moose could be problems. Considering that they both stink, Girardi may lose patience with them quickly.

ARod2212 · February 23, 2008

Farnsworth and Moose could be problems. Considering that they both stink' date=' Girardi may lose patience with them quickly.[/quote']
And if they suck, they'll be gone. No more Torre loyalty factor.

Gom · February 23, 2008

Are you guys losing sight of the fact that he had an OPS second to Arod last year? I think he's a no-brainer, and he wouldn't be the show in the Bronx, that would be Arod. Plus, all these charges would take a year at the least to come through. You can make the same argument in Boston. Can you imagine a 3-4-5 of Ortiz, Manny, and Bonds? Sick. Just plain sick. I'm shocked no one is making a push for one of the top 5 hitters in the game. I'm all for Bonds. I'm definitely convinced he would put the Yankees as the AL favorites, not just in the East, but to win the whole damn thing.

Cocos Disciples · February 23, 2008

If Bonds was signed by the Yankees, you think A-Rod would overshadow him? I really doubt it.

Gom · February 23, 2008

If Bonds was signed by the Yankees' date=' you think A-Rod would overshadow him? I really doubt it.[/quote']
Yes. I wouldn't care either way. If anything, it would take the steroid pressure off of Pettitte.

Thumper · February 24, 2008

Yes. I wouldn't care either way. If anything' date=' it would take the steroid pressure off of Pettitte.[/quote']

I'd think it would add pressure because the media would turn Bonds, Pettitte, and Clemens into a Yankee trio of cheaters, etc, or however the media likes to f*** with people's reputations.

BSN07 · February 24, 2008

Giambi playing 1B all yr....? Hahahahahaha

Great video game lineup tho.

Gom have we not learned yet over the last 7 seasons or so, that a great Offense is trumped by great pitching. Getting Bonds would be the same stupid move all over again. Sign a old over the hill player with issues, that you really don't need or have room for.

Also, thats a fairly old lineup, the odds of it lasting all threw the season is not good at all. The Yanks already have enough offense to get them to the post season, they have proven this alot. They lack " Pitching ", Bonds might get them the East, but he won't help anymore or less come October then what you have now.

Jayhawk Bill · February 24, 2008

Barry Bonds is a Type A Free Agent. Beyond all the other liabilities and questions, he costs the signing team a valuable draft pick.

ARod2212 · February 24, 2008

Barry Bonds is a Type A Free Agent. Beyond all the other liabilities and questions' date=' he costs the signing team a valuable draft pick.[/quote']
Good catch.

TheKilo · February 24, 2008

Bonds is facing federal perjury charges.

26 to 6 · February 24, 2008

I understand the thinking, but I'll pass on Bonds. He should go play in Japan or something...chase after Oh's mark since he alwayshas been a "me first" player.

26 to 6 · February 24, 2008

What would happen if a Type A or B free agent signs a contract after the draft, if his former team still entitled to some sort of compensation?

BSN07 · February 25, 2008

I think Bonds might end up playing for the Rays... Just a shot in the dark....

I believe there pick would be protected too.... SF would love that.....

Jayhawk Bill · February 25, 2008

What would happen if a Type A or B free agent signs a contract after the draft' date=' if his former team still entitled to some sort of compensation?[/quote']

I do not know.

There's a reason I don't know--the rules of MLB, AFAIK, aren't fully made public. The CBA is public, and we know some of the League rules such as Rule 5, but we don't know everything. Shifting picks is an element of the Rules of MLB, and I don't think that we can look that up.

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Barry Bonds is a championship-caliber baseball player, better, at age 43, at getting on base and hitting for power than all but a few hitters in the game. The things he doesn’t do well as a player, such as running the bases, throwing and covering ground in left field, lessen his value, but do not come close to negating it. He could be a 120-game left fielder for a National League team, and be one of the 40 most productive players in the league in doing so. With an AL team, his playing time would rise and his productivity with it. The non-baseball reasons to not sign Bonds are as much a creation of the media as anything else, the latest version of the stale storylines that have accompanied him for a decade. Teams have behaved as if winning is what matters in their dealings with bad guys—count the spousal abuse charges—and PED cases throughout the industry; drawing a line at Bonds is absurd when you consider what he brings to a team’s record.

Sign Barry Bonds. Win more games. Make more money. Embarrass your peers.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=7174

:dunno: I never liked Joe Sheehan much.

Gom · February 25, 2008

Who exactly do they get for pitching? There's no one left. A free agent signing is not costly in terms of prospects.

ORS · February 25, 2008

Did SF offer arb? I thought they wanted to get rid of him and he wanted to return. That, to me, spells no arb offer, making the draft compensation moot.

Jayhawk Bill · February 25, 2008

Did SF offer arb? I thought they wanted to get rid of him and he wanted to return. That' date=' to me, spells no arb offer, making the draft compensation moot.[/quote']

You're right. Thanks!

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_relatednews.aspx?sport=MLB&id=1448

BSN07 · February 25, 2008

I think Bonds might end up playing for the Rays... Just a shot in the dark....

I believe there pick would be protected too.... SF would love that.....

Rays ponder Bonds pursuit

There has been no formal offer, actual wooing or even public displays of affection. But the Rays seem to have at least an eye on Barry Bonds, and team officials have recently talked internally about the all-time home run king who has been at the center of the steroids controversy. The Rays have weighed the merits of other remaining free agents, such as Mike Piazza and Kenny Lofton, and may not have decided whether to proceed on any of them. In Bonds' case, there would be a lot to think about in balancing what good he could do at the plate and the gate vs. the disruption he could cause in the clubhouse. (Unlike some teams, they also haven't said publicly they wouldn't consider Bonds, either.) Bonds, 43, is seeking a chance to play and, adding to the potential plot, his agent, Jeff Borris, is in Tampa this week. But he wouldn't say Sunday night if, or how much, the Rays were interested. "I talk to Tampa Bay all the time for a variety of reasons," Borris said. -- St. Petersburg Times

This one is growing legs.

26 to 6 · February 26, 2008

Did SF offer arb? I thought they wanted to get rid of him and he wanted to return. That' date=' to me, spells no arb offer, making the draft compensation moot.[/quote']
Yeah I completely forgot about that. Good call ORS.

There's a reason I don't know--the rules of MLB, AFAIK, aren't fully made public. The CBA is public, and we know some of the League rules such as Rule 5, but we don't know everything. Shifting picks is an element of the Rules of MLB, and I don't think that we can look that up.
Yeah, that has always been frustrating. A lot of questions have gone unanswered due to this. When it comes to rules, procedures, etc. I'm pretty good, but there are just some things not fully explained to the public that we ourselves do not have access to explore on our own. I wonder why this is....

HeadOfSoxNation · February 26, 2008

I don't get it. Why on earth don't the Yankees bring this guy in? His cost would be minimal. With a veteran team like the Yankees, he wouldn't be that much of a distraction. He would basically guarantee the AL East banner. The Red Sox would be playing for the wild card. It's staring the Yankees right in the face, and Cashman is asleep. Look at this lineup"

Damon
Jeter
Bonds
Arod
Abreu
Posada
Giambi
Cano
Cabrera

Unbelievable. I'd sit down Girardi, ask him if he can handle it, which I'm sure he would. Then I'd bring in Arod, Jeter, Pettitte, and Rivera, and see if they'd be ok with it. These guys want to win, so I'm sure they'd be fine. Then sign Bonds to a one year deal. It is so simple, I don't get it. Losing out on Santana is one thing...they had to give up prospects. This costs only money.

My buddy and I were going back and forth on this today. He's very much with you, while I think it's the exact opposite. Teams like the Yankees and the Red Sox have something to lose bringing Bonds in...their clubhouse chemistry, namely. Bonds best fit is going to be a clubhouse lacking the powerful characters...lacking the chemistry...lacking an identity. I see Bonds going to a small to mid market team and playing for an owner (team) that is struggling with their attendance and are just trying to get people out to the park. With Bonds, you have the casual fan that want to be able to tell their kids they've seen baseball's official home run king. You have the die hard fan that wants to go to give them an opportunity to boo him. And, you have a clubhouse full of young guys that he can't contaminate.

Gom · February 26, 2008

You wouldn't want to corrupt a young, impressionable franchise. Putting him on a team of stars that wouldn't put up with his s*** would be the best option. He is a mercenary of the highest order [in baseball terms]. Now I agree that he would put fannies in the seats, but you don't want to corrupt the core. He'd be terrible for Tampa. They'd walk him all the time, and he'd be a bad influence on their young core. He'd be ideal for the Yankees or Mariners or Angels. Teams that are a player away are who need him more than the Royals.

Mr Crunchy · February 28, 2008

ha

this guy made more undeserving ball players millionaires than george steinbrenner

ask bobby bonilla

ask andy vanslyke

ask that other bastion of good will jeff kent

matty williams??

etc...

all these guys were good at 1 time but hitting with bonds in the lineup made them all superstars...

of course hes an *******

so was steve carlton,so was reggie jackson

was thurmon munson a beacon of harmony or was jim ed rice a bubbly person in the clubhouse?

point is baseball is full of f***ing jerks going back to ty cobb all the way to todays **********s like arod and sheffield...

if i were an al club,say like chicago or even toronto,a mid level club that has a couple of bucks to spend and attendence issues to maintain i would take a pop with him.

if he ends up in detroit look out...

in the a.l in a limited role it isnt out of the question that he can go 25/80 in 100 games.

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