Who do you want at 3rd base?

[MANNYHOF24]

If we can get Lowell for three years, then I say sign him to that deal. However, if he wants a four year deal I say no way. The guy is going to be 34 next year, and can not have as good a year next year as he did this year. He definately reached his peak value, and if he is unwilling to budge from his four year demands, I say throw a truck-load of money at AROD. Seriously this guy is the best player probably ever, and he is not slowing down. If we could get him, our offense would be so unbelievably incredible next season. In fact this post has made me change my mind all together, just sign AROD, and we are probably looking at another banner next season as well.

[TheKilo]

Point of clarification for this thread - It appears everyone is saying sign Lowell if he'll accept a 3 year deal.

 

Fact is, he'll get more on the open market. So for this thread's purposes, signing Lowell comes with the fourth year.

[MANNYHOF24]

Point of clarification for this thread - It appears everyone is saying sign Lowell if he'll accept a 3 year deal.

 

Fact is, he'll get more on the open market. So for this thread's purposes, signing Lowell comes with the fourth year.

 

Then it's AROD, no question. He is the best player on the planet, why wouldnt we want that? Let's face it, nobody wants Lowell if it is for four years. AROD is just one of those players that is probably going to be great into his fourties. Let's sign him and have our offense basically all set for at least the next 4-5 years.

[BSN07]

Point of clarification for this thread - It appears everyone is saying sign Lowell if he'll accept a 3 year deal.

 

Fact is, he'll get more on the open market. So for this thread's purposes, signing Lowell comes with the fourth year.

 

Great point Kilo.

 

Lowell at 3 yrs is risky enough, no way should they go 4 or 5 yrs for him.

 

I would then say Arod/MC are the obvious next 2 options...

 

Arod(whatever his contract ends up being)+Buccholz+Ellsbury>MC(his extension)-Buccholz/Ellsbury. Thats how I weigh the 2 out.

 

After that I think it'll be Youk to 3B and 1B replacement or trade for a prospect like Laroche. If Arod signs with LAD then Laroche becomes available for maybe a cheaper price.

[TheKilo]

http://abclocal.go.com/kfsn/story?section=sports&id=5761730

 

 

Look, I'm no A-Rod apologist. He's a diva, and a bigger phony than most team owners. But you know what? That doesn't matter. Did Lou Gehrig and Babe Ruth get along? Was Ted Williams considered a "winner"? Did every teammate like Reggie Jackson? Does Manny Ramirez even know what team he plays for? Baseball is the most individual of sports, and all that really matters is what a guy does on the field. And what A-Rod has done is average 124 runs scored, 45 home runs and 128 RBIs per season the past 10 years.

 

I mean, just how big an ass would a player have to be for you to honestly say, "No, sorry, I really don't want the offensive equivalent of Babe Ruth in my lineup?"

 

And don't give me that crap about how A-Rod would upset your club's precious chemistry. I keep reading all these comments praising the great "chemistry" and "teamwork" of the Boston Red Sox. Please. As if the Rockies and Guardians somehow had flaws in their character, or were bad teammates simply because they didn't beat the Sox. So the Rockies won 21 of 22 games, and then got swept in the World Series because their bottle of "chemistry" ran out? Nonsense.

 

And it's not like Rodriguez is a troublemaker or a bad guy. Granted, taking his shirt off in Central Park on a sunny summer day was pretty scandalous (the nerve of that guy!). But seriously, c'mon! At worst A-Rod is like the office know-it-all who wants you to know how cool his 72-inch plasma screen looks, and how well his fantasy team is doing, and where all the cool restaurants are. But he also happens to really know his stuff, and he's able to hack into any system and write code that really, really works. You may not want to sit next to him, but you definitely want him in your office.

 

The point is, unless you surround him with the league's worst pitching staff (I'm talking to you, Tom Hicks), A-Rod will help get your team in position to play each October. And if you don't think so, I suggest you look at the back of his baseball card and then honestly say those numbers wouldn't help your team.

 

And if that still doesn't convince you, I give up. I just wish you were the general manager of your favorite team. That way, there'd be one less suitor for the best player in baseball.

[TedWilliams101]

Lowell Lowell Lowell. BUT if we don't get lowell, then Arod. Because there isn't much else besides them.

[TheKilo]

Lowell Lowell Lowell. BUT if we don't get lowell' date=' then Arod. Because there isn't much else besides them.[/quote']

 

What contract would you give Lowell then?

[das11209]

Lowell Lowell Lowell. BUT if we don't get lowell' date=' then Arod. Because there isn't much else besides them.[/quote']

 

So - we plan to keep third base vaccant if none of them works out? I think most people have no Plan C.

[TheKilo]

So - we plan to keep third base vaccant if none of them works out? I think most people have no Plan C.

 

Jed Lowrie.

[Cocos Disciples]

There's other options via trade besides Rod and Lowell. They're even listed in this poll-Cabrera, Tejada, Chavez...or move Youk to 3rd and trade for a 1B. We wouldn't be in huge trouble if we didn't get Lowell or Rodriguez.

[redsoxrules]

I know youk had a great year at first base on defense, would he be able to do the same at 3rd base?

[riverside sluggers]

I could see Coco being involved in a package (not for Cabrera) for a 3rd/1st baseman if neither Lowell or Arod is signed. Possible 3rd base trade options are Hank Blalock, Eric Chavez and Miguel Tejada. 1st Base trade options would be Dan Johnson, the oft injured Nick Johnson

 

I cant start to think about Miguel Cabrera. There is no way around it to give Florida a package that doesnt include Ellsbury & Buchholz. The recent SI article mentioned that they have been asking teams for 4 top players in return.

[das11209]

Jed Lowrie.

 

You want to give the kid third base without any major league experience? I thought he was more of a second base/shortstop anyway.

[das11209]

We wouldn't be in huge trouble if we didn't get Lowell or Rodriguez.

 

I beg to disagree. I think third base options really get very thin once you get past A-Rod and Lowell. Trades for someone like Miggy will depleat the farm. We have to rely on unknowns as Carter, Lowrie or Anderson. How is that not a big trouble?

[riverside sluggers]

7 news reported that offers are on the table for Lowell. Him & his agents are just waiting for a response from Boston. The offers are coming from the Angels, Dodgers and of course Yankees. 4 years, in the $55-60 million range

[das11209]

Is Cincy open to Adam Dunn trade? That's a better option than most other players discussed here.

[Cocos Disciples]

They just exercised his option, but he could possibly be discussed I presume.

[TheKilo]

You want to give the kid third base without any major league experience? I thought he was more of a second base/shortstop anyway.

 

We gave the starting 2B job to Dustin Pedroia. How'd that work out?

[Jayhawk Bill]

Jed Lowrie.

 

IMHO, the platoon combo of Chris Carter and Kevin Millar (or, if you prefer, the platoon combo of Carter and Lowrie with Youkilis bouncing between first and third) offers more value this year than Lowrie at third base full-time.

 

We gave the starting 2B job to Dustin Pedroia. How'd that work out?

 

Great! :thumbsup:

 

Of course, he and Lowrie are both 2B/SS types. Moving Lowrie to third base puts him out of position and leaves him occupying a corner infield slot where more offense is expected.

 

I'll respectfully disagree about choosing Lowrie, although I'd certainly consider it a viable option.

 

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You think further MVP type seasons for A-Rod are unlikely? Or Lowell?

 

I think that an MVP season from Lowell is simply not going to happen. I think that an MVP season from A-Rod is very unlikely...call it a one in one hundred shot.

[TheKilo]

IMHO, the platoon combo of Chris Carter and Kevin Millar (or, if you prefer, the platoon combo of Carter and Lowrie with Youkilis bouncing between first and third) offers more value this year than Lowrie at third base full-time.

 

 

 

Great! :thumbsup:

 

Of course, he and Lowrie are both 2B/SS types. Moving Lowrie to third base puts him out of position and leaves him occupying a corner infield slot where more offense is expected.

 

I'll respectfully disagree about choosing Lowrie, although I'd certainly consider it a viable option.

 

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Oh me too, that's why I called it my Plan C.

[riverside sluggers]

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20071114&content_id=2300775&vkey=news_fla&fext=.jsp&c_id=fla&partnered=rss_fla

 

The Angels & Dodgers are the front runners for Cabrera. A league source says that a deal could be consumated by Thanksgiving

[Cocos Disciples]

Scott Rolen anyone? Him and LaRussa are fighting, and its very possible he'll ask for a deal.

[DUSTINMOHR4LIFE]

Nick Johnson anyone? He's very very good when healthy.

[jacksonianmarch]

I have a feeling that Rolen isnt the best of options. His shoulder is holding on a by a thread and he isnt exactly a friendly guy.

[jacksonianmarch]

Nick Johnson anyone? He's very very good when healthy.

 

he is about as healthy as Rolen. Nothing like acquiring a player who has a rod going down his femur. Then again, we are about to sign a guy with a rod up his ass, so go figure.

[DUSTINMOHR4LIFE]

he is about as healthy as Rolen. Nothing like acquiring a player who has a rod going down his femur. Then again' date=' we are about to sign a guy with a rod up his ass, so go figure.[/quote']

 

If we could get him for nothing, which is extremely unlikely considering Jim Bowden will be involved in the negotiations, it would be a huge bargain. I'm sure you don't doubt that, but I'm just further explaining my point.

[jacksonianmarch]

you wont get him for nothing and even when you get him, there is no guarantee he will be effective.

[TheKilo]

Just say no to both Rolen and Johnson. Rolen's shoulder is shredded and Johnson is coming off a major injury and is made of glass anyways.

 

Besides, isn't Johnson not going to be ready for next season?

 

What about Dan Johnson in Oakland, and package him with Joe Blanton?

[BSN07]

4 yrs 55-60M? Bye bye Mr. Lowell. Your time here was greta but you know and we know your not worth that much. This past season you might have been worththat much bit going forward I can't see him living up to that type of contract.

 

Time to move in on the 2nd options while everyone is still trying to ink Lowell.

 

 

I still say if LAD gets MC we should go after Laroche.

[BSN07]

Just say no to both Rolen and Johnson. Rolen's shoulder is shredded and Johnson is coming off a major injury and is made of glass anyways.

 

Besides, isn't Johnson not going to be ready for next season?

 

What about Dan Johnson in Oakland, and package him with Joe Blanton?

 

 

Rolen- Pass

Johnson- Pass

 

D. Johnson and Blanton isn't a bad package to consider, all really depends on what it will cost us in prospects. Have any guess as to what that might be?