Yanks Want to Talk to A-Rod

[yankees228]

Kilo, then I guess they A-Rod would just have to fire Boras. I don't know if he would do that. We'll see.

[TheKilo]

I don't know. There's just so much awesomeness to this story.

 

If he goes back to the Yanks, Cashman looks like a fool. ARod would have to let his agent go. Boras looks like a fool.

 

If he doesn't, the Sox are still in play for the best player in baseball.

 

I'm loving every second of this.

[Rdsxmbnt]

In a surprise twist, Alex Rodriguez and the New York Yankees are discussing a deal that could put the superstar third baseman back in pinstripes.

 

The discussions are believed to be centering on a 10-year contract for about $280 million. They are also likely to include incentives that could put the total package well over $300 million.

 

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/baseball/mlb/11/14/bc.bba.yankees.rodriguez/index.html

[TheKilo]

New York said repeatedly that it would not negotiate with Rodriguez if he opted out.

 

"Brian's made it clear, and I've made it clear," Hank Steinbrenner, son of owner George Steinbrenner, said Friday.

 

"No chance,'' he [Hank]said from Tampa. "Not if it's made official (filing letters on opting out). I haven't talked with Brian yet today.''

 

"If he opts out, we will not participate in his free agency," Cashman told the paper. "That's a fact. We'd like to keep him, but if he chooses to opt out we will no longer be a player on him in the market."

[Cocos Disciples]

Lulz Hank and Hal.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Posada: 4 years 52.4 million

Rivera: 3 years 45 million

A-Rod: 10 years 290 million

 

Total: 17 years committed for 387.4 million dollars

 

Thats a lot of money to keep 3 players who were already part of the Yankee team who hasn't been able to get out of the first round in the playoffs.

[yankees228]

Kilo, don't you think that the main reason they said that they weren't going to negotiate with A-Rod if he opts out is because of Boras? It really makes no sense not to negotiate with him, just because they would be angry that he's not "honoring" his contract. They probably felt that it would be impossible to negotiate with Boras, and didn't want any part of it.

 

I firmly believe that A-Rod wanted to come back to the Yankees the whole time, and Boras convinced him that if he opted out the Yankees would get back in on the negotiations and he would get more money. Personally, I don't believe he ever had an interest to play for another team. However, once he realized that Boras had been wrong, and that the Yankees were filling up their holes (manager, closer, and catcher), he basically came crawling back.

 

According to reports, Boras was not involved in a meeting today between A-Rod and the Yankees, and if this is the case, I don't see a lot of fault in what the Yankees are doing. Yes, technically they lied, but by bringing him back they are doing what's best for the organization. I don't think anyone can disagree with that.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Kilo, don't you think that the main reason they said that they weren't going to negotiate with A-Rod if he opts out is because of Boras? It really makes no sense not to negotiate with him, just because they would be angry that he's not "honoring" his contract. They probably felt that it would be impossible to negotiate with Boras, and didn't want any part of it.

 

I firmly believe that A-Rod wanted to come back to the Yankees the whole time, and Boras convinced him that if he opted out the Yankees would get back in on the negotiations and he would get more money. Personally, I don't believe he ever had an interest to play for another team. However, once he realized that Boras had been wrong, and that the Yankees were filling up their holes (manager, closer, and catcher), he basically came crawling back.

 

According to reports, Boras was not involved in a meeting today between A-Rod and the Yankees, and if this is the case, I don't see a lot of fault in what the Yankees are doing. Yes, technically they lied, but by bringing him back they are doing what's best for the organization. I don't think anyone can disagree with that.

 

 

If they had a problem with Boras, why did they attack A-Rod?

 

“It’s a shame, but we are all in agreement: myself, my dad, my brother, all the baseball people,” he said. “If you don’t want to be a Yankee and paid what you’re being paid, we don’t want you, that’s the bottom line. You’d be hard-pressed to argue that point. If you don’t understand the magnitude of being a Yankee and understand what that means, and being the highest-paid player in baseball, I think it’s pretty obvious.”

 

Clearly they are talking about A-Rod there. How about everything we heard with A-Rod saying he would like to go to the Red Sox? Fact is...nobody will pay him what the Yankees will pay him and he will say whatever he needs to do get that money. The Red Sox probably made it clear to Boras they aren't that interested and outside of the Yankees, that is where he would have made the big $$$

[26 to 6]

lol @ Yankee fans praising ARod two weeks after they killed him

Na I said i'd commend him only if he does show that he genuinely regrets opting out,wants to be a Yankee, and settles on a deal sufficient for the Yankees while taking into cosideration their loss of subsidy from the Rangers by him opting out. If he doesnt then I still say f*** him, good riddance, move on There's no question that the Yankees are a better team with A-Rod than without him, and if he's willing to humble himself, swallow not only his pride, but his word (not words exactly, but actions lol), and wants to be a Yankee then i'd welcome him back.

 

According to John Sterling, he got a phone call at around 5:00-5:30 from a source of his, who he says is close to A-Rod, telling him that a deal was agreed upon this afternoon. The same source called Sterling 3-4 days ago and told him of A-Rod's intentions to try to remain with the Yankees. Take it for what it's worth I guess. It doesn't mean anything to me until someone more credible, and official than our lunatic of a radio play-by-play guy (who you can't help but love ) says it, or even A-Rod himself. He did release that statement today stating his desire to try and remain with the Yanks.

[yankees228]

If they had a problem with Boras, why did they attack A-Rod?

 

 

 

Clearly they are talking about A-Rod there. How about everything we heard with A-Rod saying he would like to go to the Red Sox? Fact is...nobody will pay him what the Yankees will pay him and he will say whatever he needs to do get that money. The Red Sox probably made it clear to Boras they aren't that interested and outside of the Yankees, that is where he would have made the big $$$

 

I disagree. I think he simply opt'd out because Boras convinced him to. Although they're talking about A-Rod, I think they understand that the real culprit here was Boras, and now that he is out of the picture, they're willing to negotiate. The only reason I'm saying this is that something must have changed, between the time that they said they weren't going to negotiate, and today. What changed is that A-Rod agreed to keep Boras out of the negotiations.

 

However, I really don't care how the Yankees ownerships comes out of this situation looking. Without Alex Rodriguez at third base, they will not be as good an offensive club in 2008 as they were in 2007. It probably won't even be close. Even if they traded for someone like Miguel Cabrera, they would weaken another part of their team (probably pitching). By re-signing A-Rod the Yankees organization is doing what is best for the present and future of the club, and, to me, that is all that matters.

[ORS]

ARod would have to let his agent go. Boras looks like a fool.

You think?

 

I don't. This smells like a staged comeback. The only way Arod could conceivably be welcomed back by Yankee fans is if he plays the hero card and jilts the most hated man in baseball in a moment of "conscience" where he realizes he really does like NY and wants to come back. And it's already working. Yankee fans are lapping this up. No other scenario works. It's a traveshamockery.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

I disagree. I think he simply opt'd out because Boras convinced him to. Although they're talking about A-Rod' date=' I think they understand that the real culprit here was Boras, and now that he is out of the picture, they're willing to negotiate. The only reason I'm saying this is that something must have changed, between the time that they said they weren't going to negotiate, and today. What changed is that A-Rod agreed to keep Boras out of the negotiations.[/quote']

 

It certainly feels better to believe that the front office was talking about Boras even though everything in there statements was about A-Rod. Hey if the guy is going to be part of the Yankees again, Yankee fans will want to feel good about him so just imagine it was all the agents fault. A-Rod was the victim in all of this. He feels loved in New York and its where his true roots are....$$$

 

I need to find the quote again from Hank where he mentioned "Derek Jeter always wanted to be a Yankee" where "A-Rod doesn't know what it means to be a Yankee"

[yankees228]

You think?

 

I don't. This smells like a staged comeback. The only way Arod could conceivably be welcomed back by Yankee fans is if he plays the hero card and jilts the most hated man in baseball in a moment of "conscience" where he realizes he really does like NY and wants to come back. And it's already working. Yankee fans are lapping this up. No other scenario works. It's a traveshamockery.

 

I don't necessarily think the whole thing was staged, although I do think that A-Rod never planned to play anyplace else. I just think that him and Boras honestly thought that the Yankees would voluntarily re-enter negotiations after A-Rod opt'd out. When they didn't do that, A-Rod had no other choice but to make it seem like he is distancing himself from Boras to get back in good graces with the Yankees.

[26 to 6]

I need to find the quote again from Hank where he mentioned "Derek Jeter always wanted to be a Yankee" where "A-Rod doesn't know what it means to be a Yankee"

Keep in mind Hank Steinbrenner has shown a tendancy to spout off at the mouth without thinking about what he's saying. He's like an earlier George.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Here it is:

 

"The bottom line is ... do we really want anybody that really doesn't want to be a Yankee? How the heck can you do that? Compare him with Jeter. Jeter, since he was a little kid, all he ever wanted to do was play shortstop for the Yankees. That's what we want."

 

All A-Rod had to say was....I want to be a Yankee

 

I swear everything they stand for makes me laugh. I've heard many times people saying "The Red Sox are becoming the New York Yankees". I'm sorry but after all the pathetic comments and having to take back EVERYTHING they said and basically look like complete fools (everyone between the Yanks front office, Alex Rodriguez, and Scott Boras) the Red Sox will never become the New York Yankees...and thank god for that.

 

They make more headlines in the offseason than durring the season.

[yankees228]

It certainly feels better to believe that the front office was talking about Boras even though everything in there statements was about A-Rod. Hey if the guy is going to be part of the Yankees again, Yankee fans will want to feel good about him so just imagine it was all the agents fault. A-Rod was the victim in all of this. He feels loved in New York and its where his true roots are....$$$

 

I need to find the quote again from Hank where he mentioned "Derek Jeter always wanted to be a Yankee" where "A-Rod doesn't know what it means to be a Yankee"

 

Look, I've said this before, I really don't care about the players like that. I don't need to feel like these players have good morals or whatever to want them to play for the Yankees. I care about the fact that A-Rod is the best player in baseball, and it's better for the Yankees if he's part of their team in 2008.

 

With that being said, I'll ask you this. Do you really think it's out of the realm of possibility that Boras convinced A-Rod that the Yankees would negotiate with him, voluntarily, even if he opt'd out? Is it out of the realm of possibility to think that Boras thought that he would use other teams to drive up the price tag, the Yankees would see that they need A-Rod, and they would come crawling back to him and top every offer on the table?

 

That is how Boras operates, and it doesn't always work out (see Kevin Millwood). I'm not saying that my scenario is exactly how it played out, but I think it's reasonable at the very least.

[yankees228]

Keep in mind Hank Steinbrenner has shown a tendancy to spout off at the mouth without thinking about what he's saying. He's like an earlier George.

 

Well said. I think some of you guys are grasping at straws here. He shouldn't have said what he said, and I think we should just leave it at that.

 

As for the Yankee fans here, the front office is doing the right thing, and I think we should all be happy about that. I'm all for making the club better on the field, and no matter what was said by the organization about what will and will not happen, re-signing A-Rod is something that basically needs to be done. In my opinion, that should be what is on everyone's mind (or at least the minds of Yankee fans)

 

**For the record, I'm not out here to defend A-Rod or Boras or both of them. I really just want to talk about A-Rod as the player, and the Yankees as a team of baseball players. Because who are we to decide what people were thinking, or what motives they have off the field?

[ORS]

Look, I've said this before, I really don't care about the players like that. I don't need to feel like these players have good morals or whatever to want them to play for the Yankees. I care about the fact that A-Rod is the best player in baseball, and it's better for the Yankees if he's part of their team in 2008.

 

With that being said, I'll ask you this. Do you really think it's out of the realm of possibility that Boras convinced A-Rod that the Yankees would negotiate with him, voluntarily, even if he opt'd out? Is it out of the realm of possibility to think that Boras thought that he would use other teams to drive up the price tag, the Yankees would see that they need A-Rod, and they would come crawling back to him and top every offer on the table?

 

That is how Boras operates, and it doesn't always work out (see Kevin Millwood). I'm not saying that my scenario is exactly how it played out, but I think it's reasonable at the very least.

It started off nice, what with the whole "the personalities don't matter, it's about making the best team". I can respect that. But then you taint it with your own "justification". If you don't care, why try and convince others? Thing is, I think you do care, hence the repeated mantra.

[yankees228]

It started off nice' date=' what with the whole "the personalities don't matter, it's about making the best team". I can respect that. But then you taint it with your own "justification". If you don't care, why try and convince others? Thing is, I think you do care, hence the repeated mantra.[/quote']

 

You know what, you're 100% correct. I think my mantra started to change with my previous post and I'm going to stick with that.

 

It's not my job to justify the situation, and quite frankly, it's not really that important.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Look, I've said this before, I really don't care about the players like that. I don't need to feel like these players have good morals or whatever to want them to play for the Yankees. I care about the fact that A-Rod is the best player in baseball, and it's better for the Yankees if he's part of their team in 2008.

 

With that being said, I'll ask you this. Do you really think it's out of the realm of possibility that Boras convinced A-Rod that the Yankees would negotiate with him, voluntarily, even if he opt'd out? Is it out of the realm of possibility to think that Boras thought that he would use other teams to drive up the price tag, the Yankees would see that they need A-Rod, and they would come crawling back to him and top every offer on the table?

 

That is how Boras operates, and it doesn't always work out (see Kevin Millwood). I'm not saying that my scenario is exactly how it played out, but I think it's reasonable at the very least.

 

What Scott Boras really did was destroy any credibility the Yankees front office had.

[yankees228]

What Scott Boras really did was destroy any credibility the Yankees front office had.

 

As I previously said, I don't really care about what these guys say. You're right, the Yankees went back on their word.

 

But as a baseball decision, and that's all that matters in my opinion, THIS WAS THE RIGHT MOVE.

[a700hitter]

This is all such a farce. The Yankees are trying to save face by saying that they will not negotiate with the evil Boras, but they know all too well that refusing to negotiate with the players agent or asking to exclude the agent is a violation of the Collectively Bargained Agreement. Boras knew that the Yankees would come crawling back on their bellies. All he had to do was leak that they were talking with the Red Sox or the Mets. The Yankees couldn't live with him going to one of those teams. Unfortunately, by throwing the equivalent of a hissy fit by publicly declaring that they would not negotiate with ARod (ooops I meant Boras) if he opted out, the Yankees have generated a tremendous amount of anti-ARod passion and yes venom on behalf of many Yankee fans. I don't understand the strong venomous reaction against ARod for exercising his contractual right.

[yankees228]

This is all such a farce. The Yankees are trying to save face by saying that they will not negotiate with the evil Boras' date=' but they know all too well that refusing to negotiate with the players agent or asking to exclude the agent is a violation of the Collectively Bargained Agreement. Boras knew that the Yankees would come crawling back on their bellies. All he had to do was leak that they were talking with the Red Sox or the Mets. The Yankees couldn't live with him going to one of those teams. Unfortunately, by throwing the equivalent of a hissy fit by publicly declaring that they would not negotiate with ARod (ooops I meant Boras) if he opted out, the Yankees have generated a tremendous amount of anti-ARod passion and yes venom on behalf of many Yankee fans. I don't understand the strong venomous reaction against ARod for exercising his contractual right.[/quote']

 

If you believe all the reports, A-Rod came crawling back to the Yankees, not the other way around.

[a700hitter]

If you believe all the reports' date=' A-Rod came crawling back to the Yankees, not the other way around.[/quote']Don't believe that one for a second unless he signs for less than the original Yankee offer. ARod and Boras decided to screw the Yankees and told them to stick the $21 million from the Rangers. They were going to opt out and drive up the price. He will get more than they were offering, so their strategy worked.

[ORS]

If you believe all the reports' date=' A-Rod came crawling back to the Yankees, not the other way around.[/quote']

That's the only way it could appear and he be accepted back by a great majority of the fanbase.

[yankees228]

That's the only way it could appear and he be accepted back by a great majority of the fanbase.

 

The Yankees say that he came back to them.

 

A-Rod says that he came back to them.

 

I don't think this is a whole conspiracy.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

The Yankees say that he came back to them.

 

A-Rod says that he came back to them.

 

I don't think this is a whole conspiracy.

 

So you believe what the Yankees say?

 

As opposed to the fact you think they were referring to Boras and not A-Rod in there other comments?

[TheKilo]

The Yankees say that he came back to them.

 

A-Rod says that he came back to them.

 

I don't think this is a whole conspiracy.

 

The deal of the table is for 10 years, $275 million.

 

Who exactly are the winners on this deal?

[TheKilo]

You think?

 

I don't. This smells like a staged comeback. The only way Arod could conceivably be welcomed back by Yankee fans is if he plays the hero card and jilts the most hated man in baseball in a moment of "conscience" where he realizes he really does like NY and wants to come back. And it's already working. Yankee fans are lapping this up. No other scenario works. It's a traveshamockery.

 

Actually, this is a decent point. And, if true, makes Boras seem like even more of a genius.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

I still think its funny how much they are going to be paying there same players at an older age

 

The same players who haven't been able to get it done in October for some time now.