Pettitte declines option with Yankees

[redsoxrules]

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7413470

[example1]

f***ing A right!!! Ha ha ha

[jacksonianmarch]

It still doesnt mean all that much. Pettitte reiterated that he wanted to either be a yankee or retire, and he declined the option so he could have more time. So long as the yankees offer arbitration, which they will, they will still have a crack at him. I dont see Pettitte making up his mind for certain until December.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

I understand the Yankees want to give him time but while they wait they lose out on options for the 2008 rotation. If Andy Pettite takes too long and declines to return, the Yankees may be limited on there choices.

[Cocos Disciples]

Yanks will do anything they can to get him back IMO.

[a700hitter]

This can not be good news for the Yankees. It makes no sense that he wanted more time. He could have exercised his option and decided to retire later.

[ARod2212]

He's already said if he were locked in to another year, he'd feel obligated to pitch. That's the whole reason he didn't sign a 2 year deal. Him wanting more time is no surprise, and no big deal.

 

It'd be better if he'd just signed up right away, but taking more time doesn't hurt. Again, I'd be shocked if he retires. The Yankees need him, and he's got too much in the tank to just hang them up. What options are the Yankees going to miss out on with Pettitte in limbo? Tom Glavine? Bartolo Colon? Huge opportunities.

[jacksonianmarch]

I understand the Yankees want to give him time but while they wait they lose out on options for the 2008 rotation. If Andy Pettite takes too long and declines to return' date=' the Yankees may be limited on there choices.[/quote']

 

Part of Andy's message makes me uneasy, now that I have read it again. Saying that he wanted to free up a spot on their roster. Almost sounds like he wants the yankees to plan as if he isnt coming back and maybe he'll reconsider. If I am reading into this correctly, I think we can tell where he is leaning. Then again, my prognostic ability is about as bad as it can get, so watch, he'll reconsider and sign a 3 yr deal tomorrow.

[jacksonianmarch]

I'd assume that this means Bartolo is in our sights. Colon is the ultimate low risk high reward kind of arm. This is assuming no other team is stupid enough to offer a long term deal. Then again, the Rockies are still in the majors arent they (that phrase loses its luster when they make it to a WS).

[jacksonianmarch]

and the night gets even worse. Totally unsubstantiated rumor, but why not. On one of the yankee boards, someone reported that Posada has turned the yankees down and will sign with the mets once he is able to do so for a 4 yr 65 mil deal. I know the chances of this being true are not very good, but holy s***. Can you not punch me in the dick right now? I like the idea of the picks, but losing these guys kinda hurts a lot, ya know?

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Part of Andy's message makes me uneasy' date=' now that I have read it again. Saying that he wanted to free up a spot on their roster. Almost sounds like he wants the yankees to plan as if he isnt coming back and maybe he'll reconsider. If I am reading into this correctly, I think we can tell where he is leaning. Then again, my prognostic ability is about as bad as it can get, so watch, he'll reconsider and sign a 3 yr deal tomorrow.[/quote']

 

I would think the Yankees have attack this as if he wasn't coming back. They can't afford to leave there hopes that he will return. Kei Igawa is still there and maybe he will bounce back but otherwise I'm guessing the rotation would stack up like this:

 

Wang

Mussina

Hughes

Chamberlain

Kennedy

 

...am I missing someone?

[jacksonianmarch]

No you are not. That is one hell of a questionable rotation. If that is the case, then I'd scrap the season, throw Bucky out there and see if he will ever earn that contract. Mussina is garbage.

[Jayhawk Bill]

I would think the Yankees have attack this as if he wasn't coming back. They can't afford to leave there hopes that he will return. Kei Igawa is still there and maybe he will bounce back but otherwise I'm guessing the rotation would stack up like this:

 

Wang

Mussina

Hughes

Chamberlain

Kennedy

 

...am I missing someone?

 

Nope. It's not a bad rotation, either, IMO.

 

Issues:

 

1) Wang's home-road split makes him much less useful away from the Bronx.

2) Mussina looked pretty shaky late in 2007.

3) Hughes should be great, but he had injury issues in 2007...just as he's had before.

4) Joba Chamberlain isn't proven at all as an MLB starter.

5) Kennedy barely has MLB velocity. Check the PITCHf/x data from his starts: he was being given several more inches on the outside corner than the opposing teams' starters were getting. Given fair umpiring, he'll be eaten alive.

 

With so many question marks, Pettitte was important. The top side for this remaining rotation is filthy good, butthe questions are serious and legitimate.

[jacksonianmarch]

I dont think you give Kennedy enough credit. He has impeccable control of a solid MLB arsenal. He may not throw hard, but he has 4 major league pitches and can spot all of them. While I dont think he will be an ace, I do think he will admirably hold down a rotation spot wherever he ends up. He's the only kid in our rotation that I think can handle a full season. He threw 165 innings last yr, which puts him on pace for around 200. Hughes didnt. Joba was a reliever.

 

For Hughes, the question is whether he can maintain his mechanics. When he went bad, he was putrid. When his mechanics were tuned by Dave Eiland, he was brilliant. Which Hughes will show?

 

And for Joba, can he handle a full yr? He'll need to be handled with kid gloves. And if his minor league numbers tell us anything, he will start out as a 5-6 inning pitcher until he learns to pitch to contact a tiny bit more.

 

Either way, I have all of them pegged for successful seasons when you put them in context of it being really their first full MLB seasons. But not terribly consistent as is the MO of nearly all rookies.

[Jayhawk Bill]

I dont think you give Kennedy enough credit. He has impeccable control of a solid MLB arsenal. He may not throw hard' date=' but he has 4 major league pitches and can spot all of them. While I dont think he will be an ace, I do think he will admirably hold down a rotation spot wherever he ends up. He's the only kid in our rotation that I think can handle a full season. He threw 165 innings last yr, which puts him on pace for around 200. Hughes didnt. Joba was a reliever. [/quote']

 

Have you looked at Kennedy's PITCHf/x records for his games?

 

Tell you what--go check his first start. If you review that and you want to claim that there's no bias, let me know.

[das11209]

and the night gets even worse. Totally unsubstantiated rumor' date=' but why not. On one of the yankee boards, someone reported that Posada has turned the yankees down and will sign with the mets once he is able to do so for a 4 yr 65 mil deal. I know the chances of this being true are not very good, but holy s***. Can you not punch me in the dick right now? I like the idea of the picks, but losing these guys kinda hurts a lot, ya know?[/quote']

 

Yankees are royally f***ed if Mo and Posada does not come back. They do not have any replacement lined up for them. The Red Sox actually may have better back-up closer and catchers than the Yankees. It will be nice change of pace if Posada's regular at bat is replaced by Mollina's.

[YAZMAN]

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[jacksonianmarch]

das, to be honest with you, I would accept it. I just would need some time to grieve. Consider the 2001-2007 yrs the long drawn out terminal goodbye of a great dynasty run. 2008 being the birth of a new age that is still too young to branch out on its own. Give it time and it will grow.

 

Okay, enough stupid analogies. The 2008 draft is loaded and we arent going to have Posada and Mo to depend on forever. If they left and we got the picks, we might be in a better spot in 2-3 yrs than we would be if we sign them.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Yankees are royally f***ed if Mo and Posada does not come back. They do not have any replacement lined up for them. The Red Sox actually may have better back-up closer and catchers than the Yankees. It will be nice change of pace if Posada's regular at bat is replaced by Mollina's.

 

I think Jose Mollina is a free agent as well.

[yankeessuck013]

I understand the Yankees want to give him time but while they wait they lose out on options for the 2008 rotation. If Andy Pettite takes too long and declines to return' date=' the Yankees may be limited on there choices.[/quote']

 

I really dont see how

 

Nobody on the FA market is better than what they have, they have even more starting pitching in the minors, and the only other options like a Santana or a Willis via trade are deals that would be made with or w/out Andy on board

[jacksonianmarch]

There are some really poor options out there. Colon may be the only guy worth throwing a line to, based solely on the fact that his fastball is still burning after surgery.

 

And I agree with you on the pitching thing. I wouldnt mind releasing Mussina and trying someone else in the rotation too. Hell, Wang then 4 rookies. We might suck, but we would serve ourselves better in the future.

[YAZMAN]

There are some really poor options out there. Colon may be the only guy worth throwing a line to' date=' based solely on the fact that his fastball is still burning after surgery.[/quote']

 

Here, have a little Colon, you've seemed a little irregular lately:

 

http://www.lovelongandprosper.com/pix/colonblow.jpg

[zackredsox]

Time for Pettite to Retire. Nice career Andy

[TheKilo]

Have you looked at Kennedy's PITCHf/x records for his games?

 

Tell you what--go check his first start. If you review that and you want to claim that there's no bias, let me know.

 

Jacko doesn't know what "statistics" are.

[riverside sluggers]

If Mariano leaves, the best option to take over closing would be the kid Joba

[das11209]

If Mariano leaves' date=' the best option to take over closing would be the kid Joba[/quote']

 

That would leave a huge void in the rotation that they have no way to fill-up. Either way you look - it is a big problem.

[Mr Crunchy]

i love the confusion and the fact that steinbergers 2 idiot children are at the comm.

he shouldve raised cattle

they're more attractive,probably more intelligent and based on pictures definitley cleaner and cheaper to feed.

[YAZMAN]

i love the confusion and the fact that steinbergers 2 idiot children are at the comm.

he shouldve raised cattle

they're more attractive,probably more intelligent and based on pictures definitley cleaner and cheaper to feed.

 

There'd probably be less ******** around there as well.

[rician blast]

Docs: "Mr. Steinbrenner, we did everything we kid...but your son pulled through anyway"

[ARod2212]

Time for Pettite to Retire. Nice career Andy

Why is it time for him to retire exactly? Because he pitched well? Time to retire is a quote you can use when referencing Randy Johnson. Andy Pettitte was his usual self last season, and there's no reason to retire besides him saying he's had enough. He can still pitch, so there's no reason to write him off.

 

 

Bartolo Colon? Are you serious? The guy is useless. Absolutely horrible. I don't know why any team would pay him any amount of money to pitch for their team.