Official 07 offseason thread

[BSN07]

No need to post right away, enjoy the feeling of being Champions of the World yet again!

 

 

 

 

But when thats over with, what do you think the Sox will do this offseason?

 

 

Here's a couple things I see that could happen.

 

 

1. Coco is traded, maybe for a MRP, or as part of a bigger deal to bring in a SP.

2. Schilling signs elsewhere, unless he takes 1 yr at a discounted price.

3. Timlin retires or heads to St. Louis, Wake retires, or laces them up for another yr.

4. Sign Lowell to 2/3 yr deal.

[das11209]

If Schilling and Wake both are not back - I would like to have a SP via trade.

 

Lowell hopefully will give us a hometown discount.

[Thumper]

If Schilling and Wake both are not back - I would like to have a SP via trade.

 

Lowell hopefully will give us a hometown discount.

 

Coco + Gagne/Delcarmen for a SP? I like the sound of that. Ellsbury would start next season.

 

I hope Lowell resigns, and I wouldn't mind havint Schilling for another year, but I think Wakefield needs to give it up. God I'll miss him but I just don't think he's got it in him for another year. That's where the new SP would go from my Coco-Bullpen trade theory.

 

So next year's rotation would be

Schilling

Beckett

Matsuzaka

Buchholz/Lester?

Traded SP

[redsticknation]

would I be a dick if I wanted the follow to occur?

 

Trade Manny, Lugo.

Wake retires.

Resign Lowell, Schilling.

Sign A-rod.

 

Lineup looks like this:

Ellsbury - LF

Pedroia - 2B

Ortix - DH

A-Rod - SS

Lowell - 3B

Youklis - 1B

Drew - RH

Varitek - C

Crisp - CF

 

Better on Offense, and Defense

 

Rotation:

Beckett

Schilling

Matsuzaka

Lester

Buchholz

 

I think this would drasticly improve an already amazing team.

[nateg]

I saw arod in your post and I immediately cringed.

[das11209]

would I be a dick if I wanted the follow to occur?

 

Trade Manny, Lugo.

Wake retires.

Resign Lowell, Schilling.

Sign A-rod.

 

Lineup looks like this:

Ellsbury - LF

Pedroia - 2B

Ortix - DH

A-Rod - SS

Lowell - 3B

Youklis - 1B

Drew - RH

Varitek - C

Crisp - CF

 

Better on Offense, and Defense

 

Rotation:

Beckett

Schilling

Matsuzaka

Lester

Buchholz

 

I think this would drasticly improve an already amazing team.

 

I am fine with it - trading Lugo for value will be easier said than done.

[BSN07]

Arod not coming to Boston, absolutely 0% chance of happening, the only city that has a shot thats not in Cali by my opinion is CHC. Arod does not get along with alot of Sox players, him and Tek don't speak( thats what my announcers where talking about during last nights game, MLB international, with Sutcliff and someone else doing the commentationg, I know everyone else had Fox),

 

Manny might be traded you never know but I doubt it.

[TheKilo]

Coco + Gagne/Delcarmen for a SP? I like the sound of that. Ellsbury would start next season.

 

I hope Lowell resigns, and I wouldn't mind havint Schilling for another year, but I think Wakefield needs to give it up. God I'll miss him but I just don't think he's got it in him for another year. That's where the new SP would go from my Coco-Bullpen trade theory.

 

So next year's rotation would be

Schilling

Beckett

Matsuzaka

Buchholz/Lester?

Traded SP

 

Last night during the postgame Wakefield said he'd be healthy for Spring Training. So, he'll be back.

 

I'd sign both Wake and Schilling

Exercise Tavarez's option

Re-sign Lowell

Cut Mirabelli

[Thumper]

Last night during the postgame Wakefield said he'd be healthy for Spring Training. So, he'll be back.

 

I'd sign both Wake and Schilling

Exercise Tavarez's option

Re-sign Lowell

Cut Mirabelli

 

So would Cash or Kottaras come in to catch for Wakefiled? Or can Tek do it all now?

 

Really I'm not too excited about Wakefield coming back. Just because he says he feels good doesn't mean he's gonna perform good, but we've got 5 months to find that out I suppose.

 

I'd still like a trade between Crisp and Gagne/Delcarmen for a starter.

[TheKilo]

So would Cash or Kottaras come in to catch for Wakefiled? Or can Tek do it all now?

 

Really I'm not too excited about Wakefield coming back. Just because he says he feels good doesn't mean he's gonna perform good, but we've got 5 months to find that out I suppose.

 

I'd still like a trade between Crisp and Gagne/Delcarmen for a starter.

 

Wakefield is a league average starter who costs them $4 million. That's tremendous value.

 

I'd really like to see Kottaras come up, but I think they'll explore other catchers this offseason.

[Thumper]

George Kottaras

.316 OBP, .408 SLG, .724 OPS, .241 BA, 9 HR, 39 RBI

 

Those first three numbers are respectable, looks like he can hit pretty okay. Any info if he'll be at Red Sox spring training?

[BoSox21]

I'd still like a trade between Crisp and Gagne/Delcarmen for a starter.

 

Gagne is a free agent and if Timlin retires like I think he might, Delcarmen becomes that much more valuable

[das11209]

Wakefield is a league average starter who costs them $4 million. That's tremendous value.

 

I'd really like to see Kottaras come up, but I think they'll explore other catchers this offseason.

 

I am fine with Wake - it is the Belli part that I hate.

 

Can Kottaras catch knuckleball?

[TheKilo]

I am fine with Wake - it is the Belli part that I hate.

 

Can Kottaras catch knuckleball?

 

He caught Zink in Pawtucket. He'll learn.

[Cocos Disciples]

George Kottaras

.316 OBP, .408 SLG, .724 OPS, .241 BA, 9 HR, 39 RBI

 

Those first three numbers are respectable, looks like he can hit pretty okay. Any info if he'll be at Red Sox spring training?

 

Those are below average numbers actually.

[Sox Fan In Indy]

I'm interested to see what they're gonna do with the rotation. If they re-sign Schilling and Wakefield, who will be the odd man out among those 2, Beckett, Dice-K, Bucholz, and Lester?

[a700hitter]

I'm interested to see what they're gonna do with the rotation. If they re-sign Schilling and Wakefield' date=' who will be the odd man out among those 2, Beckett, Dice-K, Bucholz, and Lester?[/quote']I don't think that is a big concern. The two older guys may have trouble with breaking down through the season. The two younger guys may have fatigue issues because they don't have the arm strength to last the entire season.

[Sox Fan In Indy]

I don't think that is a big concern. The two older guys may have trouble with breaking down through the season. The two younger guys may have fatigue issues because they don't have the arm strength to last the entire season.

 

I agree. Its certainly a nice problem (for lack of a better word) to have. My guess is either Wake or Lester will take Snyder's spot as long reliever/6th starter.

[TheKilo]

Those are below average numbers actually.

 

Meh. Better than Beerabelli.

[rician blast]

Lowell hopefully will give us a hometown discount.

 

Don't count on it...someone will likely remind/inform him what happened when Arroyo took a discount.

[jmcc]

I saw arod in your post and I immediately cringed.

 

Yeah, this current Red Sox team has chemistry like no other. A-Rod deflates all of that as soon as he walks in the door. I'm also hoping for a Coco trade to bring some help in at some level, and then Ellsbury starting will be a definite.

[Sox Fan In Indy]

Yeah' date=' this current Red Sox team has chemistry like no other. A-Rod deflates all of that as soon as he walks in the door. I'm also hoping for a Coco trade to bring some help in at some level, and then Ellsbury starting will be a definite.[/quote']

 

I don't think there's any chance Coco starts over Ellsbury next year. If Coco returns, it will be as a 4th outfielder, or if we inexplicably trade Manny.

[jmcc]

Yea I think we all feel like Ellsbury will be starting, all I am saying is that if Coco gets traded we get something in return and it is an absolute definite that Ellsbury will be starting. Which will make me very happy.

[BSN07]

I'm interested to see what they're gonna do with the rotation. If they re-sign Schilling and Wakefield' date=' who will be the odd man out among those 2, Beckett, Dice-K, Bucholz, and Lester?[/quote']

 

 

 

Buccholz would be the odd man out, which would be good. He needs to start in the minors to nuild his arm more before we ask him to pitch a hole ML season. He probably would be option #1 or #2 if someone gets injured for any amount of time.

[Fried Neckbones]

Yeah' date=' this current Red Sox team has chemistry like no other. A-Rod deflates all of that as soon as he walks in the door.[/quote']

 

I wonder how much the clubhouse affected A-Rod in NY though. The Boston clubhouse is a lot looser, and those guys know how to shrug off intense media pressure. Would one guy totally change the culture of a clubhouse, or would the clubhouse change the one guy?

 

The business side of baseball says make a HARD run at A-Rod, and let Mikey and Schill walk if he is signed (their salaries would free up about $20 million+ for that first year, and if they have A-Rod, I kind of think they let Manny walk after '08). Sentimentally, I definitly want to hang on to those two, but a middle of the order trio of Manny, Ortiz, and the Rod is downright scary.

[jmcc]

I say that A-Rod could totally change the culture.

 

Theo Epstein had a quote earlier, when he said, "if you are comparing us to the Yankees in terms of success that's honorable. But if you are comparing us based on how we run things, then you'd be off base."

 

That's how I look at it. We don't want to run things like things have to be run with a star as big as A-Rod. We want a team like we have had the last few years that have won, and if you want to compare it to the Yankees WS dynasties pre-Arod you'll see: There is no one player who takes up 25 percent of the payroll and 125 percent of the spotlight.

[BoSox21]

the keys to both years we've won the title seem to be the camraderie between the entire team, how everyone gets along. looking at the guys on that team, I just don't see how A-Rod fits in with them.

[Thumper]

Those are below average numbers actually.

 

I never said they were good. Just, respectable. Major leaguers have done worse.

[MANNYHOF24]

I don't think there's any chance Coco starts over Ellsbury next year. If Coco returns' date=' it will be as a 4th outfielder, or if we inexplicably trade Manny.[/quote']

 

Trading Manny this offseason would be the dumbest thing this club could do. His 1 year 20 million dollar salary at this point doesn't seem bad at all. They are not going to get anywhere near the value in return as they once could have. Manny is coming off a subpar year, but if the playoffs are any indication he still has plenty left in the tank and he possibly could have something to prove. Also it will be a contract year for him, which is generally positive for players numbers, see Mike Lowell. After 08 who knows, but one thing I think we can count on is Manny playing at least one more season in LF for the Sox, which makes me happy:thumbsup:

[Sox Fan In Indy]

Trading Manny this offseason would be the dumbest thing this club could do. His 1 year 20 million dollar salary at this point doesn't seem bad at all. They are not going to get anywhere near the value in return as they once could have. Manny is coming off a subpar year' date=' but if the playoffs are any indication he still has plenty left in the tank and he possibly could have something to prove. Also it will be a contract year for him, which is generally positive for players numbers, see Mike Lowell. After 08 who knows, but one thing I think we can count on is Manny playing at least one more season in LF for the Sox, which makes me happy:thumbsup:[/quote']

 

I agree 100%. Its not happening (unless we get Arod, and even then who knows), but it seems like its impossible for an offseason to go by without some Manny trade rumors. That trend better end this year.