ARod to opt out of contract

[das11209]

why not sign both?

 

I think A-Rod can still play SS for 2-3 more years in his career, then after that the sox could move him back to 3rd. crazy idea I know, but imagine that lineup next year...

 

Ellsbury

Pedroia

Arod

Ortiz

Manny

Lowell

Drew

Youk

Varitek

 

I don't think that is financially doable - unless you trade Manny and Lowell takes a HUGE hometown discount - both are unlikely.

 

By the way - what would you do with Lugo?

[a700hitter]

I predict a trade for Johan in the winter where we give up 2 or 3 top prospects and at least 1 young guy on the ML roster.

Who Hughes, Chamberlain, Kennedy, and maybe Cano? That would not help you long term.

[das11209]

Can anyone post our records against Santana - I do not think he exactly shuts us down.

[Beckett95]

I don't think that is financially doable - unless you trade Manny and Lowell takes a HUGE hometown discount - both are unlikely.

 

By the way - what would you do with Lugo?

 

ya it wont happen mostly cause of the finnancial issues, but i would be nice.

 

could always deal Lugo for some pitching or prospects

[jacksonianmarch]

Who Hughes' date=' Chamberlain, Kennedy, and maybe Cano? That would not help you long term.[/quote']

 

I dont see that happening at all.

[a700hitter]

I dont see that happening at all.

Neither do I, but they are the only chips thatcould get you Santana.

[jacksonianmarch]

Can anyone post our records against Santana - I do not think he exactly shuts us down.

 

Last yr he won allowing 1ER in 5IP.

 

The three yrs prior, he was 1-1 with a 2.63ERA and 23K in 24IP.

[jacksonianmarch]

Neither do I' date=' but they are the only chips thatcould get you Santana.[/quote']

 

I call ********. I think it depends on what is available and what Minnesota wants to do. A few factors play into this....

 

A. Do the twins want to deal him? This is a valid point that someone pointed out earlier. If he stays, that rotation will be dirty and they could certainly be contenders in 08.

 

B. What is the market. I have already pointed out that 20 teams will be disqualified solely on expense alone. That leaves a few teams in the running, namely LA, LAA, SEA, CWS, DET, CHC, NYM, NYY, BOS. Thats about it. Then it depends on who is actually in the running. I'll tell you right now that LA, LAA and BOS have the prospects to get a deal done without significantly altering their team as is currently constituted. So if the Angels make an offer of Wood, Morales, and Weaver, we are in trouble. Same with the sox and if they offer Ellsbury, Buchholz and Lester.

 

That being said, I think we have a trump card in Cano that no other team can offer. At the same time, I'd rather not go there, but what can you do. We also have the flexibility to offer Wang, which will also be a trump card, although I'd rather keep him. That being said, if we are willing to deal either Wang or Cano, we'd have an opportunity to get Santana without offering one of the big 3 (Kennedy, Hughes, and Joba). That should be the goal.

[a700hitter]

I'll tell you right now that LA, LAA and BOS have the prospects to get a deal done without significantly altering their team as is currently constituted. So if the Angels make an offer of Wood, Morales, and Weaver, we are in trouble. Same with the sox and if they offer Ellsbury, Buchholz and Lester.

 

That being said, I think we have a trump card in Cano that no other team can offer. At the same time, I'd rather not go there, but what can you do. We also have the flexibility to offer Wang, which will also be a trump card, although I'd rather keep him. That being said, if we are willing to deal either Wang or Cano, we'd have an opportunity to get Santana without offering one of the big 3 (Kennedy, Hughes, and Joba). That should be the goal.

I agree that if they offer Cano or Wang, they'll have a really good chance of geting Santana, but that would significantly change the future of your team. I don't see the Yankees offering Cano or Wang in any trade. Without that, I don't see your organization as having anything they would be willing to offer to get Santana. You are not going to get him with a tractor trailer load of Yankee relics and collectibles from the old stadium.

[jacksonianmarch]

If we offer Wang or Cano, we essentially spare the rest of the MLB roster, which includes Kennedy, Chamberlain, and Hughes.

 

I would assume a deal for Cano would require one more prospect, maybe Tabata

 

I would assume a deal for Wang would require two, maybe Horne and Tabata.

 

If we dont deal those guys, then one of our trio gets moved, and that one will be Kennedy. Hughes and Chamberlain are absolutely untouchable, trust me on that one. But a deal with Kennedy at the helm would have to include our best pitching prospect (Horne), one of our best offensive prospects (Tabata) and then a long range talented prospect (like Betances). To be honest with you, I'd rather deal Wang.

[a700hitter]

To be honest with you' date=' I'd rather deal Wang.[/quote']But he has a devastating power sinker?

[He Hate Me]

During those years' date=' the Red Sox were in last place under Butch Hobson so0 you could tolerate it, but now the Red Sox are two time Champions and we will be beating you down while you are rebuilding. Yankee fans could never stand for that.[/quote']

 

the years referred to are pre Showalter years. I believe Morgan was your manager at that time. And I cant speak for anyone else, but i had no clue about the Sox and didn't really care as I was more focused on the fact that my team sucked ass.

[jacksonianmarch]

But he has a devastating power sinker?

 

He does and I think he will be a solid pitcher for a long time. But dealing Cano gets rid of a middle of the order bat and dealing Kennedy gets rid of a guy who i truly think will be very, very good. It is a tough pill to swallow, dealing away young talent. We'll see. I have waffled over this one for quite some time. The best thing would be for the twins to try and win it all, and then watch him become available after next yr as a FA. Keep all the guys and get Santana with money alone.

[a700hitter]

the years referred to are pre Showalter years. I believe Morgan was your manager at that time. And I cant speak for anyone else' date=' but i had no clue about the Sox and didn't really care as I was more focused on the fact that my team sucked ass.[/quote']The Yankee rebuilding occurred during the Showalter years, not under Merrill. In 92-94 (the rebuilding years for the Yankees), the Red Sox were managed by Butch (crackhead) Hobson and the Yankees finished well ahead of those Sox teams.

[a700hitter]

He does and I think he will be a solid pitcher for a long time. But dealing Cano gets rid of a middle of the order bat and dealing Kennedy gets rid of a guy who i truly think will be very' date=' very good. It is a tough pill to swallow, dealing away young talent. We'll see. I have waffled over this one for quite some time. The best thing would be for the twins to try and win it all, and then watch him become available after next yr as a FA. Keep all the guys and get Santana with money alone.[/quote']When you are the Champs these decisions are much less difficult, because you are on the top of the mountain. There is little fear of a bad deal in Red Sox Nation today.

[He Hate Me]

The Yankee rebuilding occurred during the Showalter years' date=' not under Merrill. In 92-94 (the rebuilding years for the Yankees), the Red Sox were managed by Butch (crackhead) Hobson and the Yankees finished well ahead of those Sox teams.[/quote']

 

Exactly, the Merrill years were so bad that any rebuilding phase would be accepted by those who went through it, ergo my reference to those who lived through the Merrill years.

[jacksonianmarch]

When you are the Champs these decisions are much less difficult' date=' because you are on the top of the mountain. There is little fear of a bad deal in Red Sox Nation today.[/quote']

 

we thought the same thing after 2000 when the culture of the team died and our team slowly went from expertly built to mercenary. We are champs!! Nothing can take me down now!!

 

Trust me, the only thing worse than losing is watching a dynasty die. During a dynasty, you enter the season knowing and believing that you will win, and it is a shock when you dont. This season, it wasnt much of a shock, and as much as I tried to fool myself, I knew this team was flawed. It is strange. The taste of the dynasty days is still there, but it fades and watching them play now is nothing like it. You guys have the potential to have a dynasty. You have the perfect storm. Young, dominant pitching in a division that will take a hit next yr with ARod gone. Your prime opponent looks to be in rebuilding and there isnt another team out there that really will challenge you for the best in the game. The perfect storm. If you dont win another one or two in the next few seasons, it would be a shame.

[a700hitter]

You guys have the potential to have a dynasty. You have the perfect storm. Young' date=' dominant pitching in a division that will take a hit next yr with ARod gone. Your prime opponent looks to be in rebuilding and there isnt another team out there that really will challenge you for the best in the game. The perfect storm. If you dont win another one or two in the next few seasons, it would be a shame.[/quote']From your mouth to the baseball gods ears.

[jacksonianmarch]

And I am not blowing smoke or anything. Your team is loaded. Beckett gives you a chance to win every time out. DiceK will not be an ace IMO, but he should still be solid. And Buchholz looks like he could be pretty good. Couple that with Papelbon in the back and you have a staff that can self-sustain. This isnt like the 03 Yankees here where the average age of the rotation was 37. Losing Schilling will hurt in the postseason department, but you have a real shot at running the table for a little while. You finally pre-empted us. But as you know, when we do things right, we do things VERY right. And I think this process we are going through will produce a whole lot of winning in the future. In the meantime, you get to enjoy the victory for now.

[a700hitter]

And I am not blowing smoke or anything. Your team is loaded. Beckett gives you a chance to win every time out. DiceK will not be an ace IMO' date=' but he should still be solid. And Buchholz looks like he could be pretty good. Couple that with Papelbon in the back and you have a staff that can self-sustain. This isnt like the 03 Yankees here where the average age of the rotation was 37. Losing Schilling will hurt in the postseason department, but you have a real shot at running the table for a little while. You finally pre-empted us. But as you know, when we do things right, we do things VERY right. And I think this process we are going through will produce a whole lot of winning in the future. In the meantime, you get to enjoy the victory for now.[/quote']On Schilling's blog, he has stated that he only wants a one year deal, and he wants to stay with the Red Sox.

[jacksonianmarch]

I meant that losing an effective Schilling would hurt. I have a feeling that Game 2 should be the last thing burned in a Red Sox fans memory. He is ready for a monumental decline next yr.

[Gom]

The truth is, the Yankees will more than likely offer Wang, Cabrera, and a prospect [probably Horne or Tabata] for Santana. The deal makes a lot of sense for both teams. Cabrera is a cheap replacement for Hunter, and dollar for dollar, Wang is a much better buy than Santana [due to the fact that Wang makes $9.46 a season]. The prospect will just add to the deal.

 

The Yankees will then most likely acquire Alan Rowand to replace Cabrera. Considering the Yankees are now flush with cash, even for them, money shouldn't be an issue.

 

The Yankees would then be going into next season with Santana, Pettitte, Hughes, Chamberlain, and Kennedy, with Moose as the alternate. That should get them into the playoffs next year, if they bring back Mo and Posada.

 

The truth is that Arod's departure may be the best thing to happen for the Yankees. They will free up payroll that is better spent elsewhere. Their offense will be fine. They had the best offense in baseball to begin with, so now they'll have a good, not great offense. Which team won the World Series? The Red Sox. Why? The best pitching. The Yankees are better off letting Arod go and spending it on pitching.

 

This by no means is to be interpreted that I didn't want Arod. You just have to play the cards you've been dealt.

[a700hitter]

The Yankees will then most likely acquire Alan Rowand to replace Cabrera. Considering the Yankees are now flush with cash' date=' even for them, money shouldn't be an issue. [/quote']The Yankees were only paying Alexander the Great $14 million/year. Santana is going to cost about $18+ million/year.

[TheKilo]

ya it wont happen mostly cause of the finnancial issues, but i would be nice.

 

could always deal Lugo for some pitching or prospects

 

No, we can't.

[ORS]

I see in the last dozen or so posts Buchholz, who could be "pretty good", now rates behind Kennedy, who our resident psuedo-scout thinks will be "very, very good". I just can't take you seriously anymore Jacko. Totally and completely full of s***.

[TheKilo]

I meant that losing an effective Schilling would hurt. I have a feeling that Game 2 should be the last thing burned in a Red Sox fans memory. He is ready for a monumental decline next yr.

 

I think "monumental" is far too strong a word.

 

Wil he regress a bit? Probably. But I still think he can be a 4.20 ERA type pitcher in the ALE.

[TheKilo]

I see in the last dozen or so posts Buchholz' date=' who could be "pretty good", now rates behind Kennedy, who our resident psuedo-scout thinks will be "very, very good". I just can't take you seriously anymore Jacko. Totally and completely full of s***.[/quote']

 

lol I noticed that too

 

He also flip flopped on the Santana thing

 

I call ********. I think it depends on what is available and what Minnesota wants to do. A few factors play into this....

 

A. Do the twins want to deal him? This is a valid point that someone pointed out earlier. If he stays, that rotation will be dirty and they could certainly be contenders in 08.

[Gom]

Buchholz is better than Kennedy. Period. It's not even close. End of story.

[BudLight]

And the NY Papers start the dirt digging process:

 

http://www.nypost.com/seven/10292007/news/regionalnews/high_flier_a_rod_buys_mob_jet.htm

[chacha]

u know what?

 

looks and sounds to me that the yankee's are f***ed

in all my years, i have never witnessed the yankees so f***ing messed up

what the hell is going on over there?

 

it seems to me that the whole organization -top to bottom couldnt find their ass with both hands

 

as a redsox fan i used to be envious of the yankees organization

every year they were in the playoffs

now?

wow- the whole organization needs an overhaul

they blame torre arod ect.

the owners and gm should look in the mirror