Papi’s HR trot irks Weaver .

[NateGrey]

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All eyes were on David Ortiz [stats] as he rounded the bases following a fifth-inning grand slam last night.

Some, however, more than others.

After Ortiz deposited Jered Weaver’s first-pitch fastball well into Fenway Park [map]’s right field seats, giving the Red Sox [team stats] a lead they wouldn’t relinquish, the Los Angeles Angels pitcher locked on to the baserunner.

Weaver stared at Ortiz as he walked out of the batter’s box before slowly proceeding around the bases, glaring at the Sox slugger even as he ventured past home plate and into the home team’s dugout. The hurler was not happy.

“Absolutely,” said Weaver when asked if he was upset at Ortiz’ pace around the bases. “Just run the bases. I’ll remember it the next time we play them. I don’t think anything’s going to happen. But it definitely is in the back of your mind.”

When asked about Weaver’s reaction following the home run, Ortiz showed little concern.

“I don’t care about that,” he said after the Angels’ 10-5 loss. “That’s something I don’t pay attention to.”

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[VA Sox Fan]

Who cares what Jared Weaver thinks?

[yeszir]

He did linger a little long, but given how frustrating this season has been (as compared to previous Ortiz seasons), he deserved to.

[HeadOfSoxNation]

I think that all pitchers expect a little bit of admiration when you hit a bomb off of them...I don't see it as any different than when they stroll off the mound after a big strikeout. There does, however, come a point where it's just unacceptable. Ortiz was definitely dancing a little bit over the line. I love Ortiz, don't get me wrong, but common man, act like you've been there before and give us a slow jog. No need to stroll halfway down to first. I would have been pissed if I was Weaver as well.

 

I wonder if Weaver's "I'm going to remember that next time we play" was taken out of context? Generally speaking, you just wouldn't say "I'm going to remember that" and then immediately say "I don't think anything's going to happen, but..." That's just stupid.

[Gom]

Fellas it was bush. I like Ortiz, I think he is a great player and loves the game, but if I was a pitcher, I woulda drilled Manny right after the home run. Your teammates will get you to stop showboating.

 

I will never forget Ortiz walking around the dugout with plastic cups on his ears, implying he couldn't hear the crowd with the Red Sox leading 5-2 in Game 7 of the 2003 ALCS. We all know how that turned out.

 

Personally, I hope Weaver drills him the next time he sees him. That "admiration" would never come from the guys who play the game right, like Jeter or Varitek. Can you imagine your catcher showing up someone like that?

 

Just because he wears your team's uniform doesn't make it right. Can you imagine if Arod admired his homerun off of Papelbon?

[BSN07]

Fellas it was bush. I like Ortiz, I think he is a great player and loves the game, but if I was a pitcher, I woulda drilled Manny right after the home run. Your teammates will get you to stop showboating.

 

I will never forget Ortiz walking around the dugout with plastic cups on his ears, implying he couldn't hear the crowd with the Red Sox leading 5-2 in Game 7 of the 2003 ALCS. We all know how that turned out.

 

Personally, I hope Weaver drills him the next time he sees him. That "admiration" would never come from the guys who play the game right, like Jeter or Varitek. Can you imagine your catcher showing up someone like that?

 

Just because he wears your team's uniform doesn't make it right. Can you imagine if Arod admired his homerun off of Papelbon?

 

And you would have been ejected and unable to contribute for the rest of the game...

 

Boooo Fing whooooo, you don't want someone to linger after a HR, don't throw a fat fastball over the middle of the plate. I pitch and if someone hits a HR off of me the can dance the jig if they want, they beat me and thats all there is to it. Stop taking s*** so personally and try to get the next batter.

[Gom]

It's how you play the game bosoxnation. It's bush league. Admiring that homerun is bush league, no matter how you cut it. Ortiz deserves one in his ear for that. If you ever played the game, you would understand.

[Cityofchampions33]

Showing up the opposing player is a two way street, and pitchers (such as KRod and Papelbon) always show emotion after getting a big K or out. While I did not see him linger a bit longer, I doubt he stood there for more than 3 seconds, and exactly as mentioned, he has been frustrated all season so he maybe was just relieved to finally get success.

[castigs850]

i was out last night and didnt get to see it... but on redsox.com it shows he took at least three walking steps after standing and watching his homerun leave. the standing and watching thing he usually does and then breaks right into a trot. i dont think that deserves "one in the ear"

[Gom]

Watch the replays.

 

He didn't do it to my team, so I don't care. He's been frustrated, but what does that matter? It is bush when Krod does it, Papelbon does it, etc. Say what you want about Mariano. He is the consummate pro. So is your captain and ours. Can you imagine Varitek posing and admiring his homerun?

 

This isn't against Ortiz, who I like, even as a Red Sox. This isn't about my hatred for the Sox either. It's just about the way the game is played. Would you teach your son to admire his homerun, to show up other kids? I like Ortiz, but he deserves a fastball in the ear for that one. All he did was fire up the Angels for today.

[Youk Of The Nation]

I dont like it when players admire every home run they hit, but when you hit one as hard and as far as Ortiz hit that grand slam, I think you have a right to see where it lands before you start running the bases. Same goes for any player, even A-Rod.

[Cocos Disciples]

Maybe he shouldn't give up grand slams?

[Gom]

Welcome to TALKSOX, where Red Sox players can do no wrong, but every other player on every other team can and does! Come on, what he did was wrong. If you don't know that, you never played the game on anything but your Nintendo.

 

How would you have felt if Arod had admired the bomb he hit off of Papelbon that started our season turn around? Or if Tejada watched his tie breaker against Gagne?

 

So if Ortiz gets drilled today, the Angels pitcher is the anit-Christ right?

[arbitrary]

So if Ortiz gets drilled today, the Angels pitcher is the anit-Christ right?

 

I dunno, but I think Tavarez is crazy enough to crucify an Angel in response.

[Gom]

I dunno' date=' but I think Tavarez is crazy enough to crucify an Angel in response.[/quote']

Good point. Actually, as good a point that's been made here in a very long time.

[mtbykr]

Watch the replays.

 

He didn't do it to my team, so I don't care. He's been frustrated, but what does that matter? It is bush when Krod does it, Papelbon does it, etc. Say what you want about Mariano. He is the consummate pro. So is your captain and ours. Can you imagine Varitek posing and admiring his homerun?

 

This isn't against Ortiz, who I like, even as a Red Sox. This isn't about my hatred for the Sox either. It's just about the way the game is played. Would you teach your son to admire his homerun, to show up other kids? I like Ortiz, but he deserves a fastball in the ear for that one. All he did was fire up the Angels for today.

 

 

 

Your pathetic! I don't care how much you hate someone, (and we know you hate the sox...if the roles were reversed and it was vlad you wouldn't go to an angels board and rip them) - nobody deserves one in the head. If you think you were done wrong, fine...plug someone in the ribs. You don't EVER hit someone in the head on purpose. Let's also not forget that it was a monster shot down the line, it was close to going foul. I think if you don't want someone doing that, don't give up the grand slam.....and if you do win the next battle. Yesterday was the 40th anniversary of Tony C......there is no reason to alter/end someones career or life because you think they dishonored you. The fact that you support this shows you have zero class, so go away.

[Rdsxmbnt]

Not that I really care about this argument but no I would not teach a kid to throw at a person's head for watching his HR.

[HeadOfSoxNation]

Ortiz had every right to watch his home run sail out in Fenway..and Weaver, or any Angel, has every right to give Ortiz one in the back next time they get the opportunity. It's give and take, the whole thing...if you want to admire your shot, that's fine...but you'd better be ready to take one in the ribs in exchange. It's up to the guy swinging the bat to decide if watching your shot fly is worth it. If he deems that it is, then I hope he enjoys the show; I fully condone him getting tossed at in the future. That's not to say I condone a ball being thrown at his head or anything...when you throw at a guy, you generally throw at him to HURT him, not to INJURE him. It's kind of an unspoken rule in baseball that if you're going to toss at a guy (and it IS part of the game regardless of who says that it's not), you throw above his knees/middle of his thighs and below his shoulders. Anything in that area is fair game. Generally speaking, it's a mutual respect thing. Just like in hockey when two guys will try to beat the s*** out of one another, but when one guy hits the ice, the fight is over.

 

Who remembers last season when Manny hit a MONSTER home run off of Proctor and stood there like the Statue of FREAKING Liberty while it went out? I thought for sure Proctor was going to nail him next at-bat...instead, he just threw a fastball that Manny hit another 440 feet or so. I still don't understand why there was no retaliation. There sure as hell should have been.

[Gom]

Your pathetic! I don't care how much you hate someone' date=' (and we know you hate the sox...if the roles were reversed and it was vlad you wouldn't go to an angels board and rip them) - nobody deserves one in the head. If you think you were done wrong, fine...plug someone in the ribs. You don't EVER hit someone in the head on purpose. Let's also not forget that it was a monster shot down the line, it was close to going foul. I think if you don't want someone doing that, don't give up the grand slam.....and if you do win the next battle. Yesterday was the 40th anniversary of Tony C......there is no reason to alter/end someones career or life because you think they dishonored you. The fact that you support this shows you have zero class, so go away.[/quote']

 

About as much class as Ortiz did in admiring his homerun, is that what you are trying to say? It's a term..putting one in his ear. I'm sorry you don't understand the game. No one wants to end the career of a player. Plunking him in the ribs is wrong too, a broken rib knocks you out for weeks. Hitting a player in the thigh is the way to do things. Giving him a close shave, knocking off the top button of his shirt....if you played the game, you might have heard these terms. You should have tried swinging a bat once in a while then pressing the B button.

 

If you don't want someone to do that, don't give up the grand slam? You think that's what he was trying to do?

 

I didn't like it when Soriano did it, and the Yankees put an end to it, specifically Torre. I didn't like it when Sosa did it, and I don't like it when Ortiz does it. About the only one I can excuse from that is Bonds with 756.

 

You obviously know NOTHING about the game, because everyone, even the announcers, the fan, Ortiz, etc., knew it was gone. Except for you. Besides being an idiot, you didn't realize one thing. If Ortiz hit the grandslam, and just put his head down and rounded the bases, LIKE HE SHOULD have, none of this would have been an issue.

 

In case anyone wants to see if he was grandstanding, here's the link. Just click on the link for the mlbtv for the Red Sox.

 

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/scoreboard/20070818.html

 

You know what gets to me here sometimes? The fact that some of you [thank God not most of you] think your team, FO, etc., can't do any wrong. If Arod had done what he did against Papelbon when he rocked him, you guys would be up in arms. Ortiz does it, and it's ok. I gave it to Cashman for signing Igawa and Pavano. I got it from you guys, and take it.

 

If you can't take it, go watch the Harlem Globetrotters. You know they will win and no one will question your team.

[Gom]

Ortiz had every right to watch his home run sail out in Fenway..and Weaver, or any Angel, has every right to give Ortiz one in the back next time they get the opportunity. It's give and take, the whole thing...if you want to admire your shot, that's fine...but you'd better be ready to take one in the ribs in exchange. It's up to the guy swinging the bat to decide if watching your shot fly is worth it. If he deems that it is, then I hope he enjoys the show; I fully condone him getting tossed at in the future. That's not to say I condone a ball being thrown at his head or anything...when you throw at a guy, you generally throw at him to HURT him, not to INJURE him. It's kind of an unspoken rule in baseball that if you're going to toss at a guy (and it IS part of the game regardless of who says that it's not), you throw above his knees/middle of his thighs and below his shoulders. Anything in that area is fair game. Generally speaking, it's a mutual respect thing. Just like in hockey when two guys will try to beat the s*** out of one another, but when one guy hits the ice, the fight is over.

 

Who remembers last season when Manny hit a MONSTER home run off of Proctor and stood there like the Statue of FREAKING Liberty while it went out? I thought for sure Proctor was going to nail him next at-bat...instead, he just threw a fastball that Manny hit another 440 feet or so. I still don't understand why there was no retaliation. There sure as hell should have been.

 

Thank God someone understands how the game is PLAYED. You know Clemens would have drilled him.

[example1]

It's how you play the game bosoxnation. It's bush league. Admiring that homerun is bush league' date=' no matter how you cut it. Ortiz deserves one in his ear for that. If you ever played the game, you would understand.[/quote']

 

What a blanket statement that is Gom. I've played the game. I have no problem with Ortiz admiring his shot. What do you want him to do, start sprinting around the bases like those speeded-up movies of Babe Ruth?

 

The guy hit a grand slam, at home, in a big game in a playoff push. He watched the ball he hit and then ran around the bases. It's not "bush league". It doesn't come CLOSE--for instance--to screaming a 3rd baseman's name as you round the bases, or having a geriatric bench coach attack the other team's pitcher. It's not as "bush league" as actively rooting for an admitted steroid user either. All in all, it was a non-issue.

 

The pitcher can go ahead and hit manny, or hit Papi. I don't care. That's part of the game too, just like standing and watching as your ball leaves the yard. Is it bush league for Sammy Sosa to hop out of the box? Is there something about movement that keeps it from being bush league.

 

yet again, I think you're taking the side of the non-Red Sox.

 

What I DO find to be annoying is Ortiz's constant criticism of umpires for close calls, but watching a 450 grand slam that puts your team ahead is not bush league. It's bush league if he stares at Weaver and says "WHAT!!??!! WHAT!!???", or if he starts slamming his own chest and yelling at the other players as he rounds the bases, but your assessment is just wrong. That's just baseball these days and I--along with most people OTHER than pitchers who give up mammoth shots--have no problem with it.

[example1]

Thank God someone understands how the game is PLAYED. You know Clemens would have drilled him.

 

So what if Clemens had drilled him? There's something out there that says its okay to drill a player for doing something like that, but its not okay to watch a ball leave the yard? It's okay to risk someone's safety and well being by hitting them with a 95 mph heater, but not okay to watch an OBVIOUS home run leave the yard, at home, in a big game? Get your priorities straight man. Pitcher's have a HUGE advantage in that they don't have to stand in the box and potentially get hit by the pitch. If Ortiz is man enough to watch the shot, he's man enough to take the free pass when some ******* like Clemens wants to hit him. I think both the admiration AND the drilling are appropriate, but your logic is silly.

[example1]

About as much class as Ortiz did in admiring his homerun, is that what you are trying to say? It's a term..putting one in his ear. I'm sorry you don't understand the game. No one wants to end the career of a player. Plunking him in the ribs is wrong too, a broken rib knocks you out for weeks. Hitting a player in the thigh is the way to do things. Giving him a close shave, knocking off the top button of his shirt....if you played the game, you might have heard these terms. You should have tried swinging a bat once in a while then pressing the B button.

 

If you don't want someone to do that, don't give up the grand slam? You think that's what he was trying to do?

 

I didn't like it when Soriano did it, and the Yankees put an end to it, specifically Torre. I didn't like it when Sosa did it, and I don't like it when Ortiz does it. About the only one I can excuse from that is Bonds with 756.

 

You obviously know NOTHING about the game, because everyone, even the announcers, the fan, Ortiz, etc., knew it was gone. Except for you. Besides being an idiot, you didn't realize one thing. If Ortiz hit the grandslam, and just put his head down and rounded the bases, LIKE HE SHOULD have, none of this would have been an issue.

 

In case anyone wants to see if he was grandstanding, here's the link. Just click on the link for the mlbtv for the Red Sox.

 

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/scoreboard/20070818.html

 

 

Watch the second HR by A-Rod on 8/11.

 

http://mlb.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=121347

 

Watch A-Rod's 500th. You think it's appropriate to clap for yourself, smiling, as you round the bases in the 1st inning against the Royals? Why was that HR significant? Only because it was A-ROD's 500th, not because the team was in trouble against the Royals (like the sox were with the Angels).

 

I just picked it randomly, and watched the second homer on 8/11. He takes 4 steps out of the box, all of them walking. Just like Ortiz did. Ortiz was on his back leg, knew it was gone, and started walking. A-Rod was extended over the plate, knew it was gone, and started walking. NO DIFFERENCE.

[Gom]

So what if Clemens had drilled him? There's something out there that says its okay to drill a player for doing something like that' date=' but its not okay to watch a ball leave the yard? It's okay to risk someone's safety and well being by hitting them with a 95 mph heater, but not okay to watch an OBVIOUS home run leave the yard, at home, in a big game? Get your priorities straight man. Pitcher's have a HUGE advantage in that they don't have to stand in the box and potentially get hit by the pitch. If Ortiz is man enough to watch the shot, he's man enough to take the free pass when some ******* like Clemens wants to hit him. I think both the admiration AND the drilling are appropriate, but your logic is silly.[/quote']

 

Another example of someone who never played the game. IT IS PART OF THE GAME. UNDERSTAND THE GAME.

 

That *******, that Clemens guy, did you think so when he played for the Red Sox? What a f***ing double standard you have. It's ok when your guys do it, but not when its the other team. So Clemens would be an ******* for drilling Ortiz, but it's ok for Ortiz to show up the pitcher? Do either you or this other guy live in a place called reality?

 

Watch the second HR by A-Rod on 8/11.

 

http://mlb.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=121347

 

Watch A-Rod's 500th. You think it's appropriate to clap for yourself, smiling, as you round the bases in the 1st inning against the Royals? Why was that HR significant? Only because it was A-ROD's 500th, not because the team was in trouble against the Royals (like the sox were with the Angels).

 

I just picked it randomly, and watched the second homer on 8/11. He takes 4 steps out of the box, all of them walking. Just like Ortiz did. Ortiz was on his back leg, knew it was gone, and started walking. A-Rod was extended over the plate, knew it was gone, and started walking. NO DIFFERENCE.

You know, if he watched it, he deserves to get drilled. I can't really tell from the highlight..I saw him take two steps, and the camera angle shifted.

 

Milestone homeruns, I understand. They're not about showing someone up, they're about that player's accomplishment. You aren't showing up a pitcher when your team is down 7-1 and you hit a career milestone homerun.

[HeadOfSoxNation]

That *******, that Clemens guy, did you think so when he played for the Red Sox? What a f***ing double standard you have.

 

Throughout this thread, I've been with you, Gom...but Clemens is in a class all by himself. What he did to Piazza was absolutely inexcusable. Clemens is one of the guys who goes for the head which, as you and I agree on, has no place in the game. Pedro was the same way at times. Gibson as well, if you want to go further back. Roger is an absolute monster on the mound, but his "extra-curricular activities" should hardly be used as an example of the way that the game should be played.

 

If you notice...the guys who follow the unwritten rules and do it correctly are never talked about. It's only when a pitcher does it incorrectly that he's talked about any more than a day after the incident occurs.

[jacksonianmarch]

Ortiz had every right to watch his home run sail out in Fenway..and Weaver, or any Angel, has every right to give Ortiz one in the back next time they get the opportunity. It's give and take, the whole thing...if you want to admire your shot, that's fine...but you'd better be ready to take one in the ribs in exchange. It's up to the guy swinging the bat to decide if watching your shot fly is worth it. If he deems that it is, then I hope he enjoys the show; I fully condone him getting tossed at in the future. That's not to say I condone a ball being thrown at his head or anything...when you throw at a guy, you generally throw at him to HURT him, not to INJURE him. It's kind of an unspoken rule in baseball that if you're going to toss at a guy (and it IS part of the game regardless of who says that it's not), you throw above his knees/middle of his thighs and below his shoulders. Anything in that area is fair game. Generally speaking, it's a mutual respect thing. Just like in hockey when two guys will try to beat the s*** out of one another, but when one guy hits the ice, the fight is over.

 

Who remembers last season when Manny hit a MONSTER home run off of Proctor and stood there like the Statue of FREAKING Liberty while it went out? I thought for sure Proctor was going to nail him next at-bat...instead, he just threw a fastball that Manny hit another 440 feet or so. I still don't understand why there was no retaliation. There sure as hell should have been.

 

good post. Its a give and take.

[jacksonianmarch]

Throughout this thread, I've been with you, Gom...but Clemens is in a class all by himself. What he did to Piazza was absolutely inexcusable. Clemens is one of the guys who goes for the head which, as you and I agree on, has no place in the game. Pedro was the same way at times. Gibson as well, if you want to go further back. Roger is an absolute monster on the mound, but his "extra-curricular activities" should hardly be used as an example of the way that the game should be played.

 

If you notice...the guys who follow the unwritten rules and do it correctly are never talked about. It's only when a pitcher does it incorrectly that he's talked about any more than a day after the incident occurs.

 

I dont advocate going for the head unless it is warranted. Most people think it is never warranted, I disagree. Is it lifethreatening, not really almost all the time, is it scary, you betcha. But what he did to Piazza was unwarranted, you are right. Piazza did nothing but be the best Mets hitter coming into that game and Clemens went right for the dome. Then he threw the bat at him.

 

But for me, I had a few long ones hit off me when I pitched. One kid, who got drafted in the second round, drilled one that still hasnt landed, and he watched it, big time. I hit him right in the helmet the next time out. He huffed and puffed and was all pissed off at me, but he knew never to stare at another one again. And he got his chance a couple more times, man could that kid hit.

[Gom]

Throughout this thread, I've been with you, Gom...but Clemens is in a class all by himself. What he did to Piazza was absolutely inexcusable. Clemens is one of the guys who goes for the head which, as you and I agree on, has no place in the game. Pedro was the same way at times. Gibson as well, if you want to go further back. Roger is an absolute monster on the mound, but his "extra-curricular activities" should hardly be used as an example of the way that the game should be played.

 

If you notice...the guys who follow the unwritten rules and do it correctly are never talked about. It's only when a pitcher does it incorrectly that he's talked about any more than a day after the incident occurs.

What Clemens did to Piazza should have gotten him thrown out of the game. No question about it, the umpires dropped the ball BIG TIME on that one. Unlike most of the people here, if my team does wrong, or the players on my team do something wrong, I call them out on it.

 

I hated Pedro [because he was as good as I had ever seen], but I loved the fact that he drilled you if you got out of line. I like intimidating pitchers. The hitters get away with way too much these days. Jeter, one of my favorite players of all time, has made a career out of diving into pitches. He would not have been able to do that 30-40 years ago. The game has changed. What should have happened was Manny should have been drilled right after that.

 

Here are some other people who agree with my point. Some of them know a thing or two about baseball:

 

Bob Gibson used to say that the batters box belonged to the hitter. However, the space between the batters box and the plate was his house, and he didn't want people to come to his house uninvited.

 

"Barry Bonds? I'll tell you what, if he hit a home run off (Bob) Gibson or (Don) Drysdale and stood and admired it, they'd knock that earring out of his ear the next time up." - National League Umpire Doug Harvey

[riverside sluggers]

A-Rod hits a towering HR over the Green Monster. He acts like he popped the damn thing up. Was that showing up the pitcher?

 

BTW this was the first time Ive seen ortiz watch his one of his homeruns

[ORS]

Here's what I don't get. The guy who is calling everyone a homer here and is bringing up the quotes of all the ball players, the guy saying this is bush and not playing the right way, that guy, was full bore in support of ARod on the play in Toronto. I have seen and heard quotes from a multitude of current and former ball players and an overwhelming majority of them called that play bush. So, Mr Hypocrite, what say you regarding the unwritten rules? You espouse yourself to them so vehemently, asking the non-believers to drop the joystick and pick up a glove and bat. Why is your supposed supreme knowledge of the way the game is played so at odds on these two issues? Did you press A when you should have pressed C? Gotcha.