Gagne the newest member of the RedSox

[mtbykr]

How bad has Gagne been...............after yesterdays explosion, his ERA went down:o

[das11209]

More Gagne news from Boston Herald - he seems pretty unhappy about the last series.

 

http://redsox.bostonherald.com/redSox/view.bg?articleid=1016906

[das11209]

And some news of Keson Gabbard fron Roto - he might go on DL

 

Kason Gabbard left Sunday night's game because of a stiff left forearm.

 

Gabbard was making his third start since coming over from the Red Sox. If he lands on the DL because of this, the Rangers could give Mike Wood a couple of starts.

[BoSox21]

glad to see he's showing a little fire, but the results on the mound better come soon

 

And some news of Keson Gabbard fron Roto - he might go on DL

 

Kason Gabbard left Sunday night's game because of a stiff left forearm.

 

Gabbard was making his third start since coming over from the Red Sox. If he lands on the DL because of this, the Rangers could give Mike Wood a couple of starts.

 

I hope he's ok, I think Donnelly originally went on the DL with forearm tightness and now he needs TJ

[CrespoBlows]

If I hear another pundit say he can't adjust to the 8th inning, I am going to kill someone.

 

If there is any validity to that at all, then major league pitchers are the biggest pussies in the history of the world.

 

Francona Messed with Eighth-Inning-Okaji, Now Okaji's a Mess

 

Seriously, what the f***? Okajima, pitches in the 7th inning instead of the 8th, and all of the sudden he can't be an effective pitcher? Why? Why do people use this as an excuse? I find it so f***ing stupid, that the person who made it up, should be shot. (I bet he was Joe Morgan, or someone else on the BBTN crew)

[jacksonianmarch]

If I hear another pundit say he can't adjust to the 8th inning, I am going to kill someone.

 

If there is any validity to that at all, then major league pitchers are the biggest pussies in the history of the world.

 

 

 

Seriously, what the f***? Okajima, pitches in the 7th inning instead of the 8th, and all of the sudden he can't be an effective pitcher? Why? Why do people use this as an excuse? I find it so f***ing stupid, that the person who made it up, should be shot. (I bet he was Joe Morgan, or someone else on the BBTN crew)

 

but if he doesnt pitch the ninth, he cannot get the save, and that is all he knows, so he cannot setup effectively, he will need time to adjust /stupidmorganimpression.

[CrespoBlows]

but if he doesnt pitch the ninth' date=' he cannot get the save, and that is all he knows, so he cannot setup effectively, he will need time to adjust /stupidmorganimpression.[/quote']

 

I think Morgan has a chat today, on ESPN.com. I can flat out guarantee you, that he will have the exact same response.

[SCM33]

K's the side, but still looked a little shaky. I thought he threw too many of those s***** hanging breaking balls, he missed by a lot with the fastball (including one right down the middle which was fouled off), but his change did look better.

[schillingouttheks]

No matter how you look at it, it was a better outing than what we've seen recently. I'm sure he feels good that Tito has continued to stick him out there when we've really needed him to come up big, and he got the job done tonight. I think he'll be fine.

[Gom]

Great win for you guys last night. f***.

[riverside sluggers]

The Rangers have been impressed by what they've seen out of David Murphy since acquiring him in the Eric Gagne deal at the deadline.

 

"A guy like him can't put pressure on himself to hit home runs; that's not his game," Rangers manager Ron Washington said. "But I'll take his line drives any day. I didn't know what to expect of him at all, but from the first time we saw him take batting practice, we thought, 'Hey, this guy has a little juice in his bat.' He's been hitting line drives ever since." Murphy has already made 12 starts for Texas, and he has seven doubles in 51 at-bats with a .373 BA. Murphy's run is putting him in consideration for a corner spot next season.

 

Im happy for the kid

[mosox]

Pure insanity. Tito says after the Jays blow up game that they want to help Gagne work it out.

He's done, finished for the season. Maybe if they can clinch by some miracle, then use him in a meaningless game, but I really don't want to see Gagne until spring. He can only help the team by going on the DL so the Sox can replace him for the playoffs.

[BSN07]

Gagne has the Deer in a headlight look.

 

He needs to be relegated to mop up duty for the time being.

[He Hate Me]

yeah sometimes having a guy work through his struggles don't always work. case in point, Moose.

[jacksonianmarch]

the interesting thing about Gagne is that with his recent horrific struggles, he may not even be a class A FA anymore. Which would mean that the Rangers got a starting pitcher in their rotation, potentially a starting outfielder and a gem of a prospect in the low levels for 3 months of a guy who blew important games down the stretch and a 2nd round pick.

[mosox]

yeah sometimes having a guy work through his struggles don't always work. case in point' date=' Moose.[/quote']

 

He needed a rest and I wouldn't hearld his success after shutting down the Orioles.

[Ray10]

I was one of the guys who supported Gagne and thought he was a decent pickup for us. But now I regret ever saying that. He just keeps proving that he really isn't a good pitcher anymore or at least in a the toughest Division in baseball he just can't hack it. He hasn't done anything for the Sox except continue to blow important games for us. Now because of his horribleness last night the Wankees now only trail us by 2.5 games. From here on out the Sox should only be using him in games where we have 12 game leads. He won't be back next year that's for sure.

[jacksonianmarch]

He needed a rest and I wouldn't hearld his success after shutting down the Orioles.

 

does that mean Buchholz no-no was tainted? This point about "heralding success" against poorer teams comes back to bite you. Moose would have pitched well against anyone last night, just like Buchholz would have been solid against any other team 18 days ago.

[Banned in Boston]

Yankee fans had their long knives into Moose three weeks ago. They treated far worse than Drew or anyone else has been treated in Boston. Yet surprise surprise here they are praising him yet again.

[Gom]

Nobody hated Moose in New York. It's just that we are in a pennant race for our lives [at least at the time] and we didn't have time to screw around. Everyone wanted Moose to turn it around.

 

Moose has some serious credibility he has built with the fan base. Drew doesn't have the same with the Sox faithful. If it was Nixon struggling like this, you guys would have had less venom, you have to admit.

[HeadOfSoxNation]

Nobody hated Moose in New York. It's just that we are in a pennant race for our lives [at least at the time] and we didn't have time to screw around. Everyone wanted Moose to turn it around.

 

Moose has some serious credibility he has built with the fan base. Drew doesn't have the same with the Sox faithful. If it was Nixon struggling like this, you guys would have had less venom, you have to admit.

 

I totally agree with you.

 

If Nixon were to be struggling like this, he'd be Trot, a guy who's always been a solid contributor for us and always given everything he had, that has fallen into a big slump. Drew has never done ANYTHING for us when it mattered. It's easier to look back at the good when there IS some good to look back at. We don't have that with J.D. I don't care about his ONE monster season in Atlanta. I don't care about the solid years in LA. (Though SBF might) He played well for like the first 15 or 20 games of the season, and since, has been a liability. Until he puts something together when it counts, he's deserving of what he's receiving.

[He Hate Me]

He needed a rest and I wouldn't hearld his success after shutting down the Orioles.

 

two successful outings in a row seems to indicate that all is well with Moose again. Rather than pushing him out there for those missed outings and forcing him to try ot "work things out" the rest did him much better.

[TheKilo]

I was one of the guys who supported Gagne and thought he was a decent pickup for us. But now I regret ever saying that. He just keeps proving that he really isn't a good pitcher anymore or at least in a the toughest Division in baseball he just can't hack it. He hasn't done anything for the Sox except continue to blow important games for us. Now because of his horribleness last night the Wankees now only trail us by 2.5 games. From here on out the Sox should only be using him in games where we have 12 game leads. He won't be back next year that's for sure.

 

You're totally right. Eric Gagne isn't a dirt dog and can't play here.

 

Where's the criticism of Tek's pitch calling? Or because he wears the C he's untouchable?

 

 

I totally agree with you.

 

If Nixon were to be struggling like this, he'd be Trot, a guy who's always been a solid contributor for us and always given everything he had, that has fallen into a big slump.

 

He'd be Trot Nixon, the leader of toughness and grit and he played with a dirty hat so he must be good.

 

Drew has never done ANYTHING for us when it mattered. It's easier to look back at the good when there IS some good to look back at. We don't have that with J.D. I don't care about his ONE monster season in Atlanta. I don't care about the solid years in LA.

 

I've made this argument so many times it's not worth it anymore.

 

Looking at JD Drew's season with Atlanta and LA made it clear how he could be worth $14 million/yr, especially in last year's market. When Gil Meche can get $11 mil and Gary Matthews can get $10, how much is JD Drew worth?

 

PS in September Drew is sporting a tidy .882 OPS. But he doesn't kick over water coolers, so we hate him. He doesn't bitch like "I hit .220 after the All Star Break" Kevin Youkilis.

 

(Though SBF might) He played well for like the first 15 or 20 games of the season, and since, has been a liability. Until he puts something together when it counts, he's deserving of what he's receiving.

 

Ok, if you were struggling in your job and 35,000 people came to boo you, how do you think it would affect your performance?

[Khan]

Criticism of tek's pitch calling? Why - he calls for one low and outside and Gagman puts it behind the batter. When the pitcher can't hit the backside of a barn with any of his pitches what does it matter. Besides 1) Tek is not thtowing and Gagman can always shake it off. Tek's pitch calling is incidental to the real problem, Gagne velocity is down to what 93 and he needs to comand, but can't. If you want to blame Tek then blame him for not painting his glove in dayglow paint.

[TheKilo]

Criticism of tek's pitch calling? Why - he calls for one low and outside and Gagman puts it behind the batter. When the pitcher can't hit the backside of a barn with any of his pitches what does it matter. Besides 1) Tek is not thtowing and Gagman can always shake it off. Tek's pitch calling is incidental to the real problem' date=' Gagne velocity is down to what 93 and he needs to comand, but can't. If you want to blame Tek then blame him for not painting his glove in dayglow paint.[/quote']

 

Yeah, about that.

 

I thought 'Tek was so good with his pitchers, people don't need to shake him off? Particularly with new pitchers (ie Buchholz's comments after the no-hitter). This intangible ******** keeps him in a bubble and it pisses me off that he goes scot free when Drew is getting the brunt of it.

[Khan]

I think that applies to his pitchers that can hit the backside of a barn. He is after all a catcher not a miracle worker.

 

In terms of Gagne, the blame falls squarely on Gagne. It is hard to place the blame for his failure to execute on Tek. He does not even put the ball where it is called for. Now if you want to stray from the thread topic and talk about the short comings of the RS offense, then sure, Tek gets honorable mention behind numerous others. But any offense from Tek this year wasto be a bonus. I think Drew gets the brunt of it because well, Arroyo probably has better power numbers than him.

[TheKilo]

I think that applies to his pitchers that can hit the backside of a barn. He is after all a catcher not a miracle worker.

 

In terms of Gagne, the blame falls squarely on Gagne. It is hard to place the blame for his failure to execute on Tek. He does not even put the ball where it is called for. Now if you want to stray from the thread topic and talk about the short comings of the RS offense, then sure, Tek gets honorable mention behind numerous others. But any offense from Tek this year wasto be a bonus. I think Drew gets the brunt of it because well, Arroyo probably has better power numbers than him.

 

Look, all I know is his off speed stuff is his best pitches, he knows it, and Tek knows it, and earlier in the inning he got Rios on two really good changes and a good curve. He had his off speed stuff but they consistently pumped fastballs in there.

 

He was awful, yes, but Tek is not immune to criticism.

 

And "any offense we get out of Tek is a plus?" What are they paying him $10 million for then?