Terry francona

[scaffolds]

Any Francona fan in the house?

[schillingouttheks]

He has his blunders...but I think he does an okay job overall. Some of his "Francoma" moments hurt this team but he does a good job keeping emotions and egos from his players in check. Especially in Boston.

[scaffolds]

Come on, Well he gets my vote for ML JACKASS of the year.

[schillingouttheks]

I'm not a fan of him as an in-game manager. He makes some of the worst decisions I've ever seen. The only good thing he does is keeping his players in check. That's it.

 

Overall, I'm not a fan.

[scaffolds]

That's right he isn't a manager he's a PR, most of his moves are the wrong move, tonight is prove of it.

[schillingouttheks]

Yeah. He got very very lucky in 2004.

[riverside sluggers]

He knows how to handle the clubhouse, especially Manny. But when youre talking pinch-hitting situations, bullpen changes, not knowing when to take out his starting pitchers... I yearn for a new guy

[Beckett95]

ya ive never been a big fan. Im guessing he did something in the game today, which i didnt get to watch. he never seems to fair well in extra inning games, always making a bad bullpen call or screwing up a pinch hitting situation. What he do today?

[riverside sluggers]

ya ive never been a big fan. Im guessing he did something in the game today' date=' which i didnt get to watch. he never seems to fair well in extra inning games, always making a bad bullpen call or screwing up a pinch hitting situation. What he do today?[/quote']

 

8th inning, men on 1st & 2nd with 2 outs... he leaves Julio Lugo out there to bat anyway. I guess to boost his confidence if he gets a big hit, then Lugo proceeds to strike out.

[scaffolds]

River, there was more than, you don't let Ichiro beat you, on the third inning with two outs you don't pitch to him. In the ninth inning with Ichiro in second base and with first base open you don't pitch to Vidro, in addition with a squad having problem scoring runs you don't play station to station with your speed players.

 

But the issue isn't just tonight, is game in game out. Don't look now, but if the Sox don't make the play off or not far in it does he comes back for 2008??

[riverside sluggers]

River, there was more than, you don't let Ichiro beat you, on the third inning with two outs you don't pitch to him. In the ninth inning with Ichiro in second base and with first base open you don't pitch to Vidro, in addition with a squad having problem scoring runs you don't play station to station with your speed players.

 

But the issue isn't just tonight, is game in game out. Don't look now, but if the Sox don't make the play off or not far in it does he comes back for 2008??

 

Yes I know, I mentioned it in the game thread, asking why Tito wasnt intentinally walking Vidro

 

IMO This team will be a f***ing joke if they dont make the playoffs, without a doubt Id be hoping for a new manager if thats the case

[scaffolds]

In 2006 the Sox weren't a very good hitting team, but in general Jackson did a good job, in his time in Boston, however Jackson was replaced by a Francona man in Magadan, a man that was fired by the Padres in 2006 because he couldn't do the job. In 2007 under the directions of Magadan and with more talent the Sox are hitting less than in 2006, I wonder why???

[a700hitter]

Yes I know, I mentioned it in the game thread, asking why Tito wasnt intentinally walking Vidro

 

IMO This team will be a f***ing joke if they dont make the playoffs, without a doubt Id be hoping for a new manager if thats the case

The FO needs to reinforce the pitching staff, because we are one more injury away from a potential tailspin.

[a700hitter]

In 2006 the Sox weren't a very good hitting team' date=' but in general Jackson did a good job, in his time in Boston, however Jackson was replaced by a Francona man in Magadan, a man that was fired by the Padres in 2006 because he couldn't do the job. In 2007 under the directions of Magadan and with more talent the Sox are hitting less than in 2006, I wonder why???[/quote']I never understood the firing of Papa Jack.

[ksushi]

I'm not a fan of him as an in-game manager. He makes some of the worst decisions I've ever seen. The only good thing he does is keeping his players in check. That's it.

 

Overall, I'm not a fan.

 

Name three in game mistakes he has made this season.

[a700hitter]

I think Tito is doing a pretty good job at game management. I get a little peaved sometimes when he rests two or three starters when Wakefield is pitching.

[scaffolds]

Name three in game mistakes he has made this season.

 

A better question would be to name three games where he hasn't made a mistake.

[KeepTheFaith1229]

Name three in game mistakes he has made this season.

 

-Lopez last night

-Not pinch hitting Papi in that one game where Papi and Lowell had the day off.

-not pinch hitting for lugo today

 

I'm sure anyone here could go on and on.

[ksushi]

The FO needs to reinforce the pitching staff' date=' because we are one more injury away from a potential tailspin.[/quote']

 

I agree completely. This is why the saying "you can never have too much pitching" is so absolutely true. I would rather pay a guy too much to be a long reliever (Bronson) and have 6 SP's on my roster in case someone in the 5-man got hurt than be one injury away from a slide. If Beckett or Dice-K goes down we aren't in much better shape than last year. All of sudden you are looking at one of the big guns, either Dice or Josh, and then Wake, Tavarez, Minor leaguer A and Minor leaguer B. Granted, we have some AAA arms with upside, but Lester, I've come to think isn't ready. He is our best down there right now, so what the hell do you do then? Abe Alvarez? David Pauley? That will get ugly fast.

 

There are guys that are going to be out there, Zambrano will cost waaayyy too much if he is available... Smoltz won't be available because the braves are good. Because of the risk of losing one of our 2 aces, I think Buehrle is coming to Boston. The FO has to be looking at our rotation as the biggest reason for our success, and looking at Schilling as the biggest question mark on our team right now. If he comes back healthy, great, but if he doesn't we're not as strong and our team definitely falls in line with our rotation. Buehrle is going to be had, and contrary to what that White Sox fan who posted here in the Buehrle thread thinks, it isn't going to cost a Bucholz and an Ellsbury to get him. Maybe Lester and Ellsbury at the most expensive, but I think we have what it takes to get it done and I think we will. So many reports have been flying around about Buehrle its hard to know what is true, I think dealing with the Chicago media a lot of things get lost in translation.... I think the Sox are gonna wait it out, and I think the initial negotiations probably didn't go so well as far as the extension, but there will be more on that front...

 

That'll be a rotation that will make Francona look pretty smart. Dice K, Beckett and Buehrle can be counted on to go 7 or 8 night in night out. Not hard to manage a bullpen with that kind of consistency...

[ksushi]

-Lopez last night

-Not pinch hitting Papi in that one game where Papi and Lowell had the day off.

-not pinch hitting for lugo today

 

I'm sure anyone here could go on and on.

 

Christ, if you're going to nit pick on things like that based on you're own ignorant perspective than go ahead, make a 40 page list and mail it to the guy and let him know what you think, but really thats just your opinion and chances are you aren't on the bench or in the clubhouse to know what goes into to making those calls or non-calls, so if you wanna sit around and critique every little thing the guy does... you must be pretty determined to not like the guy.

 

He has yet to make a Little or Perlazzo-esque mistake to cost us games and he won't. Francona is a players manager that manages a bullpen conservatively and plays with his defensive replacements well. He isn't going to do something radical that could blow up in his face, but he isn't going to take big chances that might pay off either. Its his game, maybe you don't like it.

 

And what was wrong with Lopez last night, exactly? He's been good all year.... not his fault everytime someone sucks.

[KeepTheFaith1229]

It is his fault when we have a lefty specialist facing an entire lineup of righties.

 

You asked for a list, I gave one, don't call me ignorant.

[ksushi]

You're taking a pretty ignorant stand point since as I pointed out you aren't on the bench or in the clubhouse... so yeah...

 

And Lopez hasn't been used as a specialist this year. He has been facing lefties and righties a like... He's come into games here and there for one lefty out and is more likely to come in if there are a couple of lefties up in one inning but he has faced righties and done well against them and has proven he can get guys out no matter where they stand at the plate. So he didn't last night... not terry's fault, chief.

[DUSTINMOHR4LIFE]

He's fine.

[example1]

tito fan here.

[Sox fan in Tex]

Sorry, I have to go against the grain. He is one of the main reasons we are where we are (48-29, 11 games up on the Yankees). Why didn't you post this after we took two of three in San Deigo, scaffolds?

 

8th inning, men on 1st & 2nd with 2 outs... he leaves Julio Lugo out there to bat anyway. I guess to boost his confidence if he gets a big hit, then Lugo proceeds to strike out.

 

I like reading your posts, riverside, but that is a horrible argument. Lugo has three pretty good at bats prior to his 8th inning AB. He hit the ball to the warning track, I believe in the 2nd, walked during a ten pitch at bat in the 5th (he was down 1-2 and fouled off several pitches before working the walk) and reached on a sac bunt.

[scaffolds]

Sorry, I have to go against the grain. He is one of the main reasons we are where we are (48-29, 11 games up on the Yankees). Why didn't you post this after we took two of three in San Deigo, scaffolds?

 

 

 

I like reading your posts, riverside, but that is a horrible argument. Lugo has three pretty good at bats prior to his 8th inning AB. He hit the ball to the warning track, I believe in the 2nd, walked during a ten pitch at bat in the 5th (he was down 1-2 and fouled off several pitches before working the walk) and reached on a sac bunt.

 

If you read my posts, it wasn't related to the Seatle series, and you're wrong the reason they're 11 games ahead of the Yankees is because the Yankees haven't play well the whole year not because francona is the manager of the Red Sox.

[Sox fan in Tex]

If you read my posts, it wasn't related to the Seatle series, and you're wrong the reason they're 11 games ahead of the Yankees is because the Yankees haven't play well the whole year not because francona is the manager of the Red Sox.

 

Wait, so 100% of the reason the reason the Sox have such a big lead is because of the Yankees play? You're clearly not the smartest poster on the board, are you? This may be news to you, but WE HAVE THE BEST RECORD IN BASEBALL. Our 11 game lead is not entirely because the Yanks have sucked; we have played great, as well.

 

Honestly, how the hell can you criticize Francona? I mean, in his fourth year as Sox manager, all he has done is brought home the first World Championship in 86 years, took us to the playoffs the following year, and after a woeful year in '06, has us poised for our first American League East Championship since 1995.

 

Yeah, he has made some mistakes, but get off his back. Quit whining every time we lose a series.

[MANNYHOF24]

If you read my posts' date=' it wasn't related to the Seatle series, and you're wrong the reason they're 11 games ahead of the Yankees is because the Yankees haven't play well the whole year not because francona is the manager of the Red Sox.[/quote']

 

Last time I checked 19 games above .500 isn't that bad. Tito can make some poor descions and he can make some good ones. I think he has used the bullpen very well this year and has managed Papelbon's health the best way anyone could. Francona is a good manager for 162 games, he keeps the players happy and fresh through out the season, and just because we lost a three game series for the first time this year does not make him a bad manager. Would you rather have Joe Torre whose bulpen is always blown out by July?

[riverside sluggers]

I like reading your posts' date=' riverside, but that is a horrible argument. Lugo has three pretty good at bats prior to his 8th inning AB. He hit the ball to the warning track, I believe in the 2nd, walked during a ten pitch at bat in the 5th (he was down 1-2 and fouled off several pitches before working the walk) and reached on a sac bunt.[/quote']

 

When you have a guy who is 0 for his last 31, and this type of crucial situation is coming up... why not get a player off the bench who has been hitting good recently. So why did he pinch hit for Lugo in the 11th?

[Sox fan in Tex]

When you have a guy who is 0 for his last 31, and this type of crucial situation is coming up... why not get a player off the bench who has been hitting good recently. So why did he pinch hit for Lugo in the 11th?

 

I tend to disagree a bit with Tito bringing in Cora in the 11th. I know Lugo's AB in the 8th was aweful (from a 3-0 count with runners on first and second to a strikeout), but you HAVE to stick with him. We have a double digit lead in the standings and we have Lugo signed to a 4 year deal ($36M). It's a tough decision, though. That's why I am not manager.

 

I still also say that Lugo had some good at bat's yesterday (got on base twice), and I would have left him in even in the 11th. I really thought he was going to break out of that streak.