Curt Schilling

[scaffolds]

While the Red Sox made questionable decisions this past fall like with the signing of Lugo and Drew a decision that they didn't made was the right decision and decison was not to resign Schilling. Schilling has proved this season that he its only a shadow of the pitcher that he was in 2004 and not even close to be the staff ace like he wants to be called and contrary to what has been talk about he has been very consistent, that's he has shown that he can't pitch against good hitting teams and has been able to get by against the bad hitting teams.

[schillingouttheks]

Schilling's not even a shadow of a shadow of what he was in 2004. He's TOAST. Done. Kaput. Take the freed up money from Clement's and Schilling's expiring contracts and put them towards bullpen help or making a big upgrade somewhere. 2008 rotation:

 

Beckett

Matsuzaka

Lester

Buchholz

Wakefield

[ORS]

The only thing that sucks about it is that they can't risk offering him arb in order to grab some picks. But, I agree, turn the Clement and Schilling money into something good. I'll take Zambrano.

[example1]

The only thing that sucks about it is that they can't risk offering him arb in order to grab some picks. But' date=' I agree, turn the Clement and Schilling money into something good. I'll take Zambrano.[/quote']

 

Mmmm, Zambrano.

[schillingouttheks]

The only thing that sucks about it is that they can't risk offering him arb in order to grab some picks. But' date=' I agree, turn the Clement and Schilling money into something good. I'll take Zambrano.[/quote']

 

If we got Zambrano I would s*** myself. I'd take him in a heartbeat. Isn't he still relatively young?

 

Anyway, if we got Zambrano what would they do with Wake? Not exercise his option? I want Buchholz in the '08 rotation because I really think he'll be ready by then. So that gives us...

 

Beckett

Matsuzaka

Zambrano

Lester

Buchholz

 

I like. Not to mention we could have this rotation for quite a long time. That has talent through the roof of the Sears Tower.

[redsoxrules]

whats our chances of getting santana?

[schillingouttheks]

whats our chances of getting santana?

 

I bet he tests the FA pool after his contract year, which is '08. If our rotation next year looks like this:

 

Beckett

Matsuzaka

Zambrano

Lester

Buchholz

 

Then it will be hard to find a place Santana, but they will. When a pitcher like Santana is available, you make room for him no matter what you have to do.

 

And with Bowden most likely blocked because of all the young arms in that rotation, I would expect the Sox to maybe package him and a couple other prospects for possibly a big bat.

 

What do you guys think?

[redsoxrules]

my mistake i tought he was a free agent at the end of this year

[Thumper]

I'd love to see C.C. Sabathia in a Sox uniform. But I doubt Cleveland is gonna give him up. But Curt Schilling is just old. He's had his run in baseball and I don't see him coming back in the 2008 season. Of course, it will be sad to see him go. He did so much good for the team and really came around when he was needed. He was always dedicated. I remember watching the postgame press conference with him after Game 1 of the 2004 ALCS and he was saying that if he couldn't do better than he did that night, he wouldn't go up on the mound again. To be willing to give up your spot in the rotation shows loyalty and dedication. I just wish Curt was 5 years younger, so we could keep him just that longer. But I'd like to see C.C. Sabathia, or even Zambrano in Fenway.

[schillingouttheks]

I'd rather have Zambrano than Sabathia.

[example1]

If we got Zambrano I would s*** myself. I'd take him in a heartbeat. Isn't he still relatively young?

 

That's the rumor.

 

 

Anyway, if we got Zambrano what would they do with Wake? Not exercise his option?

 

Put him in the pen. Have a 6 man rotation. Who cares. Let's face the problem when we get there. Personally, I would like to see him hang it up after a Sox 07 World Series title myself, but that's just me. He and Mirabelli can move along and let the Sox finally put together their young team. I like Wake a lot, but this team cannot afford to have a mediocre spot anywhere in the rotation. Just because most teams would be happy to have someone who produces as much and as consistently as Wake does not mean the Sox couldn't do better.

 

I want Buchholz in the '08 rotation because I really think he'll be ready by then. So that gives us...

 

Beckett

Matsuzaka

Zambrano

Lester

Buchholz

 

I like. Not to mention we could have this rotation for quite a long time. That has talent through the roof of the Sears Tower.

 

I want Buchholz in the 07 rotation because we are currently losing games and he is missing bat after bat in AA and is old enough to pitch in the majors. His reputation for 'icewater running through his veins' means he will likely handle it well.

[CrespoBlows]

Those 98 walks per 162 games are scary. I'm curious to what will happen when his stuff begins to decline. I don't think he'll be able to compensate for the number of missed bats he was generating.

 

Plus, his shoulder's probably going to fall off. He's only 26 years old, but he's thrown nearly 1450 innings in his career. Christ, that's a lot of pitches for a guy that young.

 

He finished fourth in number of pitches thrown in 2006, he would have easily finished 1st, had Arroyo, Harang, and Zito had comparable innings. (24, 16, and 7 respectively)

 

Zambrano is a great pitcher, but I don't think you're going to get a great return on investment on this guy.

[Rdsxmbnt]

Not that its going to happen but Buchholz could be called up today and be a much better pitcher than Schilling is.

 

EDIT: im not sold on Zambrano either, hes a good pitcher but his struggles this year and high walk rates leave me leary of a massive contract. Though with 20+ mil coming off the books in 2 SPs I think we can afford to potentially make a big splash.

[ORS]

The control is a concern, but he's passed the injury nexus for pitchers without a hiccup. He seems pretty durable.

[schillingouttheks]

The control is a concern' date=' but he's passed the injury nexus for pitchers without a hiccup. He seems pretty durable.[/quote']

 

Hell, he was ready to pop Chris Young the other day. Durability is the least of his issues, lol.

[Taliesin]

Linebrink & Nathan are the best names out there as far as pitchers go that we could have a reasonable shot at. Don't see a real need to go after high profile SP's w/ questionable pedigree and the Cubs kill their arms for some reason or another. Bad conditioning? Who knows. FLA runs into the same issues w/ their young guys. I'm sure Jackson could write 500 paragraphs on the subject.

 

I just watch the game and observe.

 

Doubt Nathan will make the move over. Minny seems to keep their players. Next year is a transition as far as the OF goes unless there is some kind of unexpected splash at the deadline and I just don't see it happening. I've been wrong before.

 

No interest in Jones. Ichiro goes to the Dodgers. We've got Manny for another year (and if the god's were good for the rest of his career, but they ain't) The albatross in RF and his soul brother in arms. Ellsbury comes up next year. Coco, we hardly knew ya...but it's your last year for The Olde Towne Team.

 

An aging catcher and it seems like a small issue, but in the next few years it won't be, so someone besides "Dougie is going deep tonight" is going to have to start catching some games or at least getting to the show for a cup of coffee. And, somehow it will all work out and they'll be there every April through September/Oct. until the world ends or they cancel romance.

 

And, as for Schilling; I wouldn't count the old bird out just yet. Timlin, on the other hand, is done.

[seabeachfred]

I love Curt Schilling and will always be grateful for what he did for us in 2004, and I am not yet ready to put him out to pasture. I hope to see him straighten out and finish with a decent record and season. Next year? I hope he decides to retire while he still has a semblance of credibility, but knowing how the guy loves the limelight we will pitch somewhere, probably for the Mets.

[BSN07]

Schilling thanks for 04, but don't let the door hit you on the ass on your way out. Hes not worth wakefields salary at this point. He will most likely head back to the national league next season, because some team will be dumb enough to offer him 2 yrs.

 

I like the idea of Zambrano, but not at anything higher then 15M a season.

 

Talesin, the albatross in RF has one of the hottest bats on the team, it is very easy to see who the knee jerk reaction guys are on this site.

 

Santanna would be cool, but not at 20M a season. Since there might not even be a spot available for him, invest other places, Buherle wouldn't be a bad option and alot cheaper.

 

I think there going to have to make a move for a SP before the TDL, Beckett and Matsuzaka can't be the only 2 pitchers that give you more then one good start in a row, and right now Schilling pitches good in 1/3, Wake is a 50/50 guy and so is Taveraz.

[jacksonianmarch]

If we got Zambrano I would s*** myself. I'd take him in a heartbeat. Isn't he still relatively young?

 

Anyway, if we got Zambrano what would they do with Wake? Not exercise his option? I want Buchholz in the '08 rotation because I really think he'll be ready by then. So that gives us...

 

Beckett

Matsuzaka

Zambrano

Lester

Buchholz

 

I like. Not to mention we could have this rotation for quite a long time. That has talent through the roof of the Sears Tower.

 

Zambrano is 26 yrs old and you guys can have him. Those walk totals scare the s*** out of me and his personality certainly would make for interesting team dynamics. He walked 114 batters last season in 220IP. Bring that to the AL East and he will have much more trouble. He is an ace in the NL Central. In the AL, he'll be paid like an ace, but will be more of a mid rotation pitcher.

[Cocos Disciples]

Zambrano is 26 yrs old and you guys can have him. Those walk totals scare the s*** out of me and his personality certainly would make for interesting team dynamics. He walked 114 batters last season in 220IP. Bring that to the AL East and he will have much more trouble. He is an ace in the NL Central. In the AL' date=' he'll be paid like an ace, but will be more of a mid rotation pitcher.[/quote']

 

I agree with this. Z walks far too many guys for him to be a #1 pitcher. He'd get raped by the Yankees. However, if we have Beckett and Matsuzaka, he probably won't have to be an ace. I guess I'm on the ropes on him.

[BSN07]

I'd like him but probably not at the price he will want...

[scaffolds]

To think that Schilling would turn around isn't realistic, Francona and his BS talks about Schilling's lack of command of his fastball and that's a issue, but far from the whole picture, Schilling fastball has decline the last two years and he was only throwing 87 with his fastball on Monday. When a pitcher like Schilling that every thing that he throws depends off his fastball that's a deadly sign.

[seabeachfred]

Schilling thanks for 04, but don't let the door hit you on the ass on your way out. Hes not worth wakefields salary at this point. He will most likely head back to the national league next season, because some team will be dumb enough to offer him 2 yrs.

 

I like the idea of Zambrano, but not at anything higher then 15M a season.

 

Talesin, the albatross in RF has one of the hottest bats on the team, it is very easy to see who the knee jerk reaction guys are on this site.

 

Santanna would be cool, but not at 20M a season. Since there might not even be a spot available for him, invest other places, Buherle wouldn't be a bad option and alot cheaper.

 

I think there going to have to make a move for a SP before the TDL, Beckett and Matsuzaka can't be the only 2 pitchers that give you more then one good start in a row, and right now Schilling pitches good in 1/3, Wake is a 50/50 guy and so is Taveraz.

 

"Don't let the door his your ass on the way out." Pretty freakin mean my friend. No sentiment standing in your way. I am usually that way with players who stay around too long and clog up the works but I can never relinquish my affection for Curt no matter how s***** he does from here on out. I guess I'm more sentimental that I would like to admit, but the guy really put his ass on the line for all of RSN three seasons ago, the team, the town, the fans, everyone. Hard to not appreciate that. I hope that he somehow rights his ship and finishes up his last year with us on a high note. Not just for him but for all of us. We need him at his best to have any chance of getting into the Playoffs this season and hopefully further.

[seabeachfred]

To think that Schilling would turn around isn't realistic' date=' Francona and his BS talks about Schilling's lack of command of his fastball and that's a issue, but far from the whole picture, Schilling fastball has decline the last two years and he was only throwing 87 with his fastball on Monday. When a pitcher like Schilling that every thing that he throws depends off his fastball that's a deadly sign.[/quote']

 

I hated having to read your post but you know what???? I think you are absolutely right Scaf and it kills me to have to say it. I have seen only smatterings of the real Schilling this season and he's had too many days like the one he had yesterday not to be alarmed. I also considered that maybe something is wrong with his arm; would be just like him not to say anything, but that also might be a reach. One thing is certain: If we are going to have a less than powerful Schilling throwing for us, we had better start hitting like the Red Sox of old and have Beckett and Matsuzaka step up big time as Co-Aces because we all know that Wakefield will be lucky to be a little above a 500 pitcher and how much more can be expect from Taverez. We need a shot in the arm with our pitching now and I hope that is Lester and hope that his ascension into our rotation is just around the corner for the summer push.

[BSN07]

And for that Schilling will always be remembered in RSN, never pay for a meal or drink in Boston ever. But hes stinking up the joint and doesn't belong in the AL. He needs to do what RJ did and head back to the NL. He could be decent there. His stuff just isn't good enough to be in the AL East. He's either pitching hurt or hes just losed 5MPH on his fastball in the last few weeks. If hes hurt and needs a DL stint, then so be it, aftet hat maybe he could pitch more consistantly, but right now Curt is not was he was in 04 and never will be again. I don't want them spending 13M+ on a guy who might be a #4 at this point. I will always be greatful for what he did, but that doesn't mean he gets to stay and play here forever.

[seabeachfred]

And for that Schilling will always be remembered in RSN' date=' never pay for a meal or drink in Boston ever. But hes stinking up the joint and doesn't belong in the AL. He needs to do what RJ did and head back to the NL. He could be decent there. His stuff just isn't good enough to be in the AL East. He's either pitching hurt or hes just losed 5MPH on his fastball in the last few weeks. If hes hurt and needs a DL stint, then so be it, aftet hat maybe he could pitch more consistantly, but right now Curt is not was he was in 04 and never will be again. I don't want them spending 13M+ on a guy who might be a #4 at this point. I will always be greatful for what he did, but that doesn't mean he gets to stay and play here forever.[/quote']

 

There were rumors earlier in the year when the Red Sox refused to give him an extention that Schilling might opt out for New York after the season and pitch for the Mets. I suppose the thinking there is to re-unite Schill and Petey for a one-two knockout punch. Since trouble always seems to come in threes why not resign Glavine and give them a trio of graybeards that just might get the job done in the weaker NL.

[scaffolds]

I don't believe that Schilling is hurt, no phisically anyway, i just believe its father time, some pitchers loose it quicker than others and if someone remember last year he wasn't as good as years before. The question is Schilling is a very proud man, would he give up before the season its over?

[BoSox21]

Schilling is becoming a different pitcher this year, he's admitted that several times. There are growing pains to that

[scaffolds]

Yes. A different piitcher, one who allows 5-6 runs before the fifth inning its over.

[jacksonianmarch]

I agree with this. Z walks far too many guys for him to be a #1 pitcher. He'd get raped by the Yankees. However' date=' if we have Beckett and Matsuzaka, he probably won't have to be an ace. I guess I'm on the ropes on him.[/quote']

 

but he'd be paid like an ace. Would you really be into paying 18 mil a season for your #3 if that means leaving another area of your team barren or fixed on the cheap with a wing and a prayer.