Todd Helton deal revisited

[jacksonianmarch]

Has anyone seen Todd Helton's stats to this point?

 

.355 5HR 26RBI .473OBP .526SLG.

 

That deal would have moved Youkilis to 3rd and lost Lowell plus Tavarez. At this point, it may be a draw, but Helton is back people. And from the sounds of it, the Yankees may be entering the fray if they are successful in voiding Giambi's contract, which they are trying to do for some stupid f***ing reason.

 

I dont think that is a good idea, mind you, since Helton's contract is a bear, but what can you do.

[Mr Crunchy]

todd helton had fewer xtra base hits than lowell and youkillis last year plus hes on the dole till 2011

 

you can have him

hes exactly what the yanks need,another softball player who is getting twice what hes worth

[BSN07]

Conspiracy thought of the Day: 07 is the first season in a few years that The Rox aren't keeping there balls in the humidor. He's a good player but ive always thought his numbers were swollen a few years because of playing at Coors field. I think else were hes a .300 hitter, and capable of 15-25 HR and 85-100 RBI type guy. Which Isnt nothingt o sneeze at but hes gonna cost alot for along time plus some hes going to command an organizations prospect of the top 10 category maybe even 2.

[rician blast]

The Yankees...height of hypocrisy.

 

Seeking to void Giambi's contract again?

 

2002...41 HRs, .314 BA...'roids not a problem

2003...41 HRs, 107 RBIs, .412 OBP...'roids not a problem

2004...played in 80 games, 12 dingers...let's void his contract

2005...32 HRs, hit .271, maybe we'll keep him

2007...6 hrs through 5/21/07, OBP is under .400, and he's opened his mouth...let's void the contract.

 

what a joke.

[BSN07]

He would be resigned by someone in about a week, hed need that much time to look threw offers from every other club. LAA would probably sign him to a nice deal because they need a bat. I wont be sorry to see him go, just makes the Yankee lineup that much weaker.

[Rdsxmbnt]

Given Lowells hot start to the season also I wouldnt do it.

 

Lowell: .325 .382 .545 .927, 144 OPS+

Helton: .355 .473 .526 .999, 161 OPS+

 

And add in that Helton is owed a ton of money and Lowell is only a 1-year commitment

[TedWilliams101]

I also like it better on defense. Lowell is one of the best defensive 3B to ever play the game. Youk is above average at first. I think the infield woudn't be close to as good if you moved Youk to 3rd. Helton is great at 1B, but I'd much rather keep Lowell at 3rd than move Youk there. And offensively, there's no reason to take Helton over Youk or Lowell at this point his career and his contract is just too big.

[Youk Of The Nation]

Lets trade Ortiz to Colorado and make Helton a DH.

 

*ducks*

[adam123]

Youk did you smoke the crack pipe today .. Youk will be better than helton when its all said and done .

[Rdsxmbnt]

Youk did you smoke the crack pipe today .. Youk will be better than helton when its all said and done .

 

Done with what? Youk is great but I dont see him being a career 1.022 OPS hitter

[TedWilliams101]

Youk probably won't be greater than Helton, but Youk will certainly be better than Helton from here on out. He has far more value.

[CrespoBlows]

Has anyone seen Todd Helton's stats to this point?

 

.355 5HR 26RBI .473OBP .526SLG.

 

That deal would have moved Youkilis to 3rd and lost Lowell plus Tavarez. At this point, it may be a draw, but Helton is back people. And from the sounds of it, the Yankees may be entering the fray if they are successful in voiding Giambi's contract, which they are trying to do for some stupid f***ing reason.

 

I dont think that is a good idea, mind you, since Helton's contract is a bear, but what can you do.

 

Power is clearly sapped, and Fenway would drain the remaints of it, but holy s***.

 

35 Walks. 14 Strikeouts.

 

That's f***ing insane.

[jacksonianmarch]

Power is clearly sapped, and Fenway would drain the remaints of it, but holy s***.

 

35 Walks. 14 Strikeouts.

 

That's f***ing insane.

 

I actually think that Coors really helped him in his 49 homer yr. IE, his power was severely inflated. But I also think that this guy is a .330 20HR hitter even if he leaves, but only if he is healthy. And that was in serious doubt in the offseason. But right now the guy is hitting like a man on fire.

[BSN07]

Hes a more expensive(not by much), version of JD Drew with a bit higher batting AVG. There power and health issues are about equal, ther 15 to 20 HR guys that may hit 25...

[adam123]

Youlk is all we need .

[TheKilo]

He's going to the Angels. Watch.

[Cocos Disciples]

That seems the most logical to me. They need a bat, especially a 1B. They have the goods to get him.

[a700hitter]

Sell Youk high. Get Helton -- a true superstar. His Home-Away splits this year are looking good. OPS is pretty close Home and Away. Youk is a tough-nosed guy on a hot streak right now, but his talent level is very limited. By year's end he'll be hitting .270 and Helton will be whacking at a .320+ clip. Sell high. Sell now. Keep Tavarez, and throw in some bush leaguer.

[Rdsxmbnt]

Sell Youk high. Get Helton -- a true superstar. His Home-Away splits this year are looking good. OPS is pretty close Home and Away. Youk is a tough-nosed guy on a hot streak right now' date=' but his talent level is very limited. By year's end he'll be hitting .270 and Helton will be whacking at a .320+ clip. Sell high. Sell now. Keep Tavarez, and throw in some bush leaguer.[/quote']

 

um no...

 

Youk is 5 years younger than him and cost-controlled while Helton is extremely expensive, and will probaly only hit 20 HR or less even. Granted Helton is a better player but theres a lot of players id trade before Youk.

[a700hitter]

um no...

 

Youk is 5 years younger than him and cost-controlled while Helton is extremely expensive, and will probaly only hit 20 HR or less even. Granted Helton is a better player but theres a lot of players id trade before Youk.

Helton is a proven super star, not just a really good hitter. The guy is upper echelon. By the time Youklis is Heltons's age, he'll be lucky to be warming someone's bench.

[riverside sluggers]

Youkilis is going to be a bench player in 6 years?

[Rdsxmbnt]

Helton is a proven super star' date=' not just a really good hitter. The guy is upper echelon. By the time Youklis is Heltons's age, he'll be lucky to be warming someone's bench.[/quote']

 

and by the time Youk is Heltons age, Helton may not even be in the majors?

 

And how would you have any basis for saying the bench comment?

[CrespoBlows]

Sell Youk high. Get Helton -- a true superstar. His Home-Away splits this year are looking good. OPS is pretty close Home and Away. Youk is a tough-nosed guy on a hot streak right now' date=' but his talent level is very limited. By year's end he'll be hitting .270 and Helton will be whacking at a .320+ clip. Sell high. Sell now. Keep Tavarez, and throw in some bush leaguer.[/quote']

 

Why would you want to invest $15 million in a 1B, when you have one that is performing just as well for $350,000?

 

Helton's BABIP is well above his career average, so you can expect his average to slide a little bit.

 

All of his homeruns have come at top 10 offensive ballparks, and all of those ballparks are notorious for inflating LH power.

 

Fenway is going sap whatever is left of Helton's power. But his OBP is good enough to make a trade.

 

How much are you willing to invest in Helton? If the Rockies are willing to take $60-$70 million of his contract, you make a move.

[adam123]

YOUK is going to be a great player mark my words .. hes just coming into his own . Plus he is younger and cheaper

[Cocos Disciples]

Youk has been a superb player this year. And he's making close to league minimum. Todd Helton is an aging, declining player who is held up by Coors field. If at Fenway his HR's would drop even more. He'd basically be Kevin Youkilis but way more expensive.

[TheKilo]

Why not move Lowell? He's playing way over his head IMO, and I'd like to avoid the inevitable second half swoon with him.

 

Youk at 3B + Helton at 1B > Lowell at 3B + Helton at 1B

 

Lowell, Pauley, Murphy for Helton and cash?

[CrespoBlows]

YOUK is going to be a great player mark my words .. hes just coming into his own . Plus he is younger and cheaper

 

Youkilis is good, but he won't match Helton's best years.

[example1]

Youkilis is good' date=' but he won't match Helton's best years.[/quote']

 

I agree with this, but I also think it likely that over a full season Youk will not hit below .300 or .385 OBP for the next 6 years. I don't think we're seeing an overproducing Youkilis, I think we're seeing what Youkilis is capable of and what he will continue to do. If you give him more RBI opportunities (say in the 5 or 6 spot) he will produce.

[jacksonianmarch]

I agree with this' date=' but I also think it likely that over a full season Youk will not hit below .300 or .385 OBP for the next 6 years. I don't think we're seeing an overproducing Youkilis, I think we're seeing what Youkilis is capable of and what he will continue to do. If you give him more RBI opportunities (say in the 5 or 6 spot) he will produce.[/quote']

 

??? Really. Youk is playing out of his mind right now. But going by career norms, I'd say he will finish in the .280-.300 range even though he is in the .340 range. He will be a consistent player, but not this good for long.

[DUSTINMOHR4LIFE]

So far this season, Helton and Youk have been pretty much the same players. Helton has been a bit better though (HeltonVORP: 23.5, YoukVORP: 22) and if you add that Youk is younger and cheaper, I'd say that Youk may have a bit of an edge. Sure, Helton is more likely to sustain this sucess, but at this point, there is absolutely no reason to move Youk.