April 22 vs. New York - Back to Back to Back to Back

[jacksonianmarch]

we split the opening series with TB as it was nearly zero degrees. I dont worry about TB all that much. As for Igawa, he has gotten progressively better with each start, so we shall see how he does.

 

As for Wang, he threw 2 rehab starts.

[ORS]

Next weekend in Yankee Stadium' date=' I'll honestly say if we can take one, I'll be happy. Wang is a one pitch wonder, but so is Tim Wakefield and Derek Lowe, as was Rivera for a number of years. A 93-96 MPH sinking fastball will do some serious damage versus any line up. His pitch dives from the zone with consistency. He lead MLB in ground ball out ratio. [/color']

It's a good sinker, but it's all he has. Comparing him to a closer just doesn't work. Rivera's the best ever for one inning, but I question his effectiveness 3 times through an order. Wake's one pitch is the knuckleball, and his success is as variable as the pitch is. There's no consistency to it, which is why when it's on it works. Lowe mixes in 3 pitches.......and, all three strikeout twice as many or more per 9 (roughly). Webb and Lowe both had a higher GB/FB last year.

 

As you know, the history for guys who miss bats as seldomly as he does isn't good. Success can be had, but it hasn't been attained in 100+ years of baseball history, and to be honest, I don't think his sinker is so good it will make him the first ever.

[schillingouttheks]

we split the opening series with TB as it was nearly zero degrees. I dont worry about TB all that much. As for Igawa, he has gotten progressively better with each start, so we shall see how he does.

 

As for Wang, he threw 2 rehab starts.

 

TB was also playing in zero degrees. And they're from f***ing Florida. I think TB had it worse than you guys did.

[jacksonianmarch]

It's a good sinker, but it's all he has. Comparing him to a closer just doesn't work. Rivera's the best ever for one inning, but I question his effectiveness 3 times through an order. Wake's one pitch is the knuckleball, and his success is as variable as the pitch is. There's no consistency to it, which is why when it's on it works. Lowe mixes in 3 pitches.......and, all three strikeout twice as many or more per 9 (roughly). Webb and Lowe both had a higher GB/FB last year.

 

As you know, the history for guys who miss bats as seldomly as he does isn't good. Success can be had, but it hasn't been attained in 100+ years of baseball history, and to be honest, I don't think his sinker is so good it will make him the first ever.

 

He isnt as much of a 1 trick pony as he is made out to be. And ORS, if you have watched him at his finest, you'd see the sinker at its best. Nobody in the league can throw one like his. 95mph consistently and it moves from corner to corner. Opposing hitters have been commenting on how hard it is to hit Wang after nearly every game.

 

Also, one thing that was enjoyable was seeing how many ST guys and MiLB guys he is K'ing. I noticed in ST early on, he was working on the slider a lot and mixed in some 4 seamers. And the thing with Wang that separates him from a lot of pitchers is his location. He can place it on a dime anywhere he wants it. I think your wishes will not be answered ORS. He isnt a dominant guy due to his high contact rate, but the contact he gets is typically so weak that he gets results.

[jacksonianmarch]

TB was also playing in zero degrees. And they're from f***ing Florida. I think TB had it worse than you guys did.

 

It still bears noticing. We are an older team with finesse pitching. Finesse pitching is negated to a large degree in the cold.

[ORS]

He isnt as much of a 1 trick pony as he is made out to be. And ORS, if you have watched him at his finest, you'd see the sinker at its best. Nobody in the league can throw one like his. 95mph consistently and it moves from corner to corner. Opposing hitters have been commenting on how hard it is to hit Wang after nearly every game.

 

Also, one thing that was enjoyable was seeing how many ST guys and MiLB guys he is K'ing. I noticed in ST early on, he was working on the slider a lot and mixed in some 4 seamers. And the thing with Wang that separates him from a lot of pitchers is his location. He can place it on a dime anywhere he wants it. I think your wishes will not be answered ORS. He isnt a dominant guy due to his high contact rate, but the contact he gets is typically so weak that he gets results.

It's not wishing. I'll change my tune when he shows something other than his one good pitch and when he starts missing bats. Until then, I'm siding with 100 years of history, not the hopeful anomaly.

[TheKilo]

It's a good sinker, but it's all he has. Comparing him to a closer just doesn't work. Rivera's the best ever for one inning, but I question his effectiveness 3 times through an order. Wake's one pitch is the knuckleball, and his success is as variable as the pitch is. There's no consistency to it, which is why when it's on it works. Lowe mixes in 3 pitches.......and, all three strikeout twice as many or more per 9 (roughly). Webb and Lowe both had a higher GB/FB last year.

 

As you know, the history for guys who miss bats as seldomly as he does isn't good. Success can be had, but it hasn't been attained in 100+ years of baseball history, and to be honest, I don't think his sinker is so good it will make him the first ever.

 

Does it make things tough on people when you're this right all the time?

[MANNYHOF24]

Mojo-1 Gom-0

[adam123]

SOX SWEEP FIRST IN FENWAY OVER WANKEES SINCE 1990 woo hooo

[schillingouttheks]

Will you stop calling them the Wankees? It's so damn annoying.

[MANNYHOF24]

It's early, but this sweep felt damn good. I can't wait till next weekend. Imagine what it will be like if we sweep back to back series. I know it probably won't happen but that would be great.

[a700hitter]

Here's yesterday's gamethread from a Yankee message board. It's amusing to see how quickly Yankee fans go from declaring Wright to be a prospect who is "outdueling Matsuzaka" to having ended his career in pinstripes and being nothing more than a AA pitcher.

 

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=303#S=303&F=1637&T=433958&P=1

[adam123]

It's early' date=' but this sweep felt damn good. I can't wait till next weekend. Imagine what it will be like if we sweep back to back series. I know it probably won't happen but that would be great.[/quote']

 

That would be great .. but 2 of 3 wont be bad i will take that

[TheKilo]

Guys there's a new game today. Let's move on.

[a700hitter]

The players have another game today and they have to move on. The beauty of being a fan is that we can stay in the past for as long as we like. The present is for the players. The past is the domain of the fans.

[Gom]

Yanks take two out of three. Wang in the rotation, and Posada and Matsui back in the rotation lead the Yankees to two wins. Then again, the Sox sweep their opponents and the Yankees lose 2 of 3 to Tampa, and I'll change my mind.

[Gom]

It's a good sinker, but it's all he has. Comparing him to a closer just doesn't work. Rivera's the best ever for one inning, but I question his effectiveness 3 times through an order. Wake's one pitch is the knuckleball, and his success is as variable as the pitch is. There's no consistency to it, which is why when it's on it works. Lowe mixes in 3 pitches.......and, all three strikeout twice as many or more per 9 (roughly). Webb and Lowe both had a higher GB/FB last year.

 

As you know, the history for guys who miss bats as seldomly as he does isn't good. Success can be had, but it hasn't been attained in 100+ years of baseball history, and to be honest, I don't think his sinker is so good it will make him the first ever.

 

That's funny ORS. The guy has had one pitch his ENTIRE career. There isn't any guessing with him. Even Paps has two pitches. It's not like he has been surprising hitters at all. Everyone in the park knows what's coming when he pitches. It doesn't matter how many times through an order you go through, it won't change.

[TheKilo]

That's funny ORS. The guy has had one pitch his ENTIRE career. There isn't any guessing with him. Even Paps has two pitches. It's not like he has been surprising hitters at all. Everyone in the park knows what's coming when he pitches. It doesn't matter how many times through an order you go through' date=' it won't change.[/quote']

 

He had an excellent year last year...but until he can have sustained success missing as many bats as he does I think there's just cause for skepticism.

 

There's questions for Papelbon too, obviously, but I think those are more health-related.

[jacksonianmarch]

He had an excellent year last year...but until he can have sustained success missing as many bats as he does I think there's just cause for skepticism.

 

There's questions for Papelbon too, obviously, but I think those are more health-related.

 

I think the success he had as a rookie and last yr can be considered a track record. 1.5 seasons is more than one season and he built off his rookie campaign. Plus, he has had 2 very solid playoff performances.

[TheKilo]

I think the success he had as a rookie and last yr can be considered a track record. 1.5 seasons is more than one season and he built off his rookie campaign. Plus' date=' he has had 2 very solid playoff performances.[/quote']

 

 

Two playoff performances? SSS?

 

How many times must people tell you if he replicates his success this year it'll be more believable?

[jacksonianmarch]

Two playoff performances? SSS?

 

How many times must people tell you if he replicates his success this year it'll be more believable?

 

and then you'll use the same argument next season as well.

[Cocos Disciples]

Longest Game Thread!

[TheKilo]

and then you'll use the same argument next season as well.

 

Nope. Like I've said, I think it's important to have more than one (1.5!?!!*!^) seasons of success before I can really believe he's an ace.

 

I think he's due for a bit of a regression this year. Not awful, but don't be shocked if his ERA is in the 4.3 range.