April 11th Yankees @ Twins

[a700hitter]

Farnsworthless.

Hey, you are stealing my lines. What next...you'll start calling Proctor the Proctologist?

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And our fantastic bullpen is only as strong as its weakest link. And that link is Torre.

 

But who would you have brought in there instead of Fransworth? Isn't that why he gets paid 5.6m? So he can come in in the 8th in close games and not blow it? Who else are you paying to do that job?

[jacksonianmarch]

When you have a pitcher like Farnsworth in a close game you need to open your eyes and be ready to pull him at a moments notice. When he is on, or even okay, he is untouchable. But when he is bad, he is so horrible that he ends games (negatively). Torre has Myers in the pen yet keeps him there when Mauer is hitting with an open base and the winning run on 2nd. Then he just lets Farns have it and make the game a no doubter. Man, Joe is a pretty dumb guy, but this was a pisspoor job of managing the pen after having one hell of pitching duel.

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HA!! Someone is throwing in the Yankee bullpen!

[yankees228]

Here is what I would have done. There are games when Farnsworth really has it, and then there are games when he doesn't have it at all. He walked Castillo on four pitches (you know something is wrong when you walk Castillo considering all he can do is hit singles). I agree with letting him face Punto, considering Punto isn't too great a hitter and no one would be warmed at that point. But you have to recognized when Farnsworth doesn't have it and that should be apparent after what he did with the first batter. So now there is a runner on second and one out. Mike Myers is on this team for a reason, because he is supposed to be able to get out lefties just about every time. If he can't do this he is taking up a roster spot. I bring in Myers to face Mauer, if he gets him out, I walk Cuddyer intentionally. Then I let Myers face Morneau. Obviously this is a difficult task for Myers, asking him to get out two of the best left handed hitters in the game back to back. But the way I see, if he is not getting out lefties nearly every time, he is taking someones spot on the roster who could give the Yankees more innings. I also say this because Joe has to recognize when Farnsworth doesn't have it and that should have been apparent right away.

[jacksonianmarch]

But who would you have brought in there instead of Fransworth? Isn't that why he gets paid 5.6m? So he can come in in the 8th in close games and not blow it? Who else are you paying to do that job?

 

Once he K'd Punto, I'd have put Myers in the game for Mauer, I would have walked Cuddyer and then pitched to Morneau. After Morneau, I'd have gone to Bruney.

[yankees228]

When you have a pitcher like Farnsworth in a close game you need to open your eyes and be ready to pull him at a moments notice. When he is on' date=' or even okay, he is untouchable. But when he is bad, he is so horrible that he ends games (negatively). Torre has Myers in the pen yet keeps him there when Mauer is hitting with an open base and the winning run on 2nd. Then he just lets Farns have it and make the game a no doubter. Man, Joe is a pretty dumb guy, but this was a pisspoor job of managing the pen after having one hell of pitching duel.[/quote']

 

I guess we completely agree. I didn't see your post before I posted my thoughts.

[jacksonianmarch]

Here is what I would have done. There are games when Farnsworth really has it' date=' and then there are games when he doesn't have it at all. He walked Castillo on four pitches (you know something is wrong when you walk Castillo considering all he can do is hit singles). I agree with letting him face Punto, considering Punto isn't too great a hitter and no one would be warmed at that point. But you have to recognized when Farnsworth doesn't have it and that should be apparent after what he did with the first batter. So now there is a runner on second and one out. Mike Myers is on this team for a reason, because he is supposed to be able to get out lefties just about every time. If he can't do this he is taking up a roster spot. I bring in Myers to face Mauer, if he gets him out, I walk Cuddyer intentionally. Then I let Myers face Morneau. Obviously this is a difficult task for Myers, asking him to get out two of the best left handed hitters in the game back to back. But the way I see, if he is not getting out lefties nearly every time, he is taking someones spot on the roster who could give the Yankees more innings. I also say this because Joe has to recognize when Farnsworth doesn't have it and that should have been apparent right away.[/quote']

I think we just made the same posts. I agree 100%.

[yankees228]

Once he K'd Punto' date=' I'd have put Myers in the game for Mauer, I would have walked Cuddyer and then pitched to Morneau. After Morneau, I'd have gone to Bruney.[/quote']

 

Could not agree more.

[a700hitter]

I also say this because Joe has to recognize when Farnsworth doesn't have it and that should have been apparent right away.

Mattingly may have to wake him so he can take notice.

[RedSoxRooter]

Ahhh. This makes tonight's loss sooooo much easier to take.

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Once he K'd Punto' date=' I'd have put Myers in the game for Mauer, I would have walked Cuddyer and then pitched to Morneau. After Morneau, I'd have gone to Bruney.[/quote']

 

innings, innings, innings. I imagine Torre has his rationale for his decision here.

 

I'm definitely of the school that hindsight is 20/20 and as fans we're prone to questioning poor decisions. Not that you guys don't know what you're talking about, you're right about your use of Myers in this situation, but there certainly would be times that we would be questioning your choices too. (or applauding them because it helps the Yankees lose! )

[yankees228]

Mattingly may have to wake him so he can take notice.

 

That's why the Yankees won when Zimmer was the bench coach, not because he was telling Joe some great strategies or anything, but because he could tell when Joe was falling asleep and would wake him up.

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I want Joe Nathan to be the Sox setup man! He's sick.

[yankees228]

Ugh, if only Abreu's shot had not been right at Castillo.

 

EDIT: Giambi continues his slow start.

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A-Rod with a GRD. Yawn.. .another Yankee comebazzz zzzz zzzz zzz

[jacksonianmarch]

I am seriously hating Joe Torre right now.

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Giamboid with a pop out.

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I am seriously hating Joe Torre right now.

 

huh... I kinda like him?

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I am seriously hating Joe Torre right now.

 

But Kyle farnsworth doesn't draw your ire?

 

EDIT: Does he make more $ than Torre per-season?

[a700hitter]

Getting shut down by Ramon Ortiz? That sucks. I had lost track of him. I thought he was pitching in the Independent League.

[yankees228]

I am seriously hating Joe Torre right now.[/quote

 

If Torre hadn't been retained they would have probably gone after Sweet Lou. So whenever I'm really pissed at Torre for misusing the bullpen, I think back to when Piniella set that guy suffer in the game where the Yankees made the huge comeback against the D-Rays in 2005. That makes me feel better about having Torre instead of Lou.

 

And Posada pops out. The Yankees did win the series, but they could have swept, and they may have just lost one of their best starters for some time.

[jacksonianmarch]

But Kyle farnsworth doesn't draw your ire?

 

EDIT: Does he make more $ than Torre per-season?

 

Farns catches my ire a little. But a manager needs to know his personnell. You have a lefty specialist who is lights out against lefties. You have one of the best lefties in the game up with the winning run on 2nd and 1 out. You get Myers up warming. Everything sounds like you should be putting Myers in, right? WRONG.

 

I dont mind if he doesnt use Myers. But if he doesnt want to use him, release him. The guy only adds 35IP a season. We could easily put a mopup guy in his place and get another 35-50IP out of that roster spot. And if he wants to keep him, I want him in every game whenever the opposing team has a lefty up in a big spot. Otherwise, why have him on the team at all?

[yankees228]

In terms of positives, Henn did a really nice job tonight, and Vizcaino helped his case for taking over 8th inning duties. Abreu really swung the bat well tonight, even though he had no hits to show for it. Damon also stayed hot with two hits. Other than that, tonight brought a lot of negatives with it.

[jacksonianmarch]

Torii Hunter makes a big difference with his range. He ran down 2 balls late in the game that would have been big hits.

 

We put the ball in play rather well, we got our pitches to hit, we just popped em up. Ortiz threw strikes, something he hasnt been able to do with regularity in his career. Tip your cap. But at the same time, I am real angry that we got beat when our best wasnt out there.

 

The best teams lose 60+ games a yr. I can handle a loss. I just dont like losing games when the obvious choice is overlooked.

[TheKilo]

Question for you betters out there:

 

Who will have the lower ERA after today's game? Mussina (13.50) or Ortiz (2.57)?

 

What do I win?