Schilling rips backstabbing front office

[TheKilo]

It was assured JD Drew was the best RF available. Signing him made the Red Sox better. (Although even I think 5 yrs is too long)

 

It was assured Julio Lugo was the best SS available. Signing him made the Red Sox better.

 

Is it assured that signing Curt Schilling now makes the Red Sox better?

 

There is risks with every signing. Why not let Schilling prove his worth instead of handing over a contract to him when they didn't do it for Pedro/Lowe/Damon/etc.?

[VA Sox Fan]

ha

he couldve pulled a clemens circa 1986 and left with a blister or he couldve pulled a clemens circa 1990 and get tossed for showing up the umpire or he couldve pulled a clemens circa 1999 and left with a trick hammy or pulled a clemens circa 2004 and left with the assorted above ailments in game 1 of the world series

 

or

he couldve simply acted human and sat out games 6 and 2

 

and we'd still be discussing curses after ny dusted our asses again

 

they dont owe him anything eh??

john henry and the other 18 or so assorted investors should be sucking this guys cock for eternity

 

the organization has spent 100M on a japanese guy who hasnt gotten anyone in mlb out yet

they gave jd drew,refered to nationally as a cancerous pussy,, 14M per

they gave renteria 19M to lead shortstops in errors while hitting a robust .270

they gave lugo 36M after he had a worse 2nd half than schilling

 

you say they dont owe schilling anything?

 

they let damon petey and lowe walk,theyve been dying to dump manny from day 1

who the f*** are they going to reward for ending 86 years of futility besides jd drew??

 

so its a business decision?

they owe us,the fans,the decency of making this guy finish his career in boston by offering him what he asked for,1 year,same money as hes making this year

the guy won 15 games for us last season

he isnt being a greedy prick by asking for a 2 year 30M deal,he only wants a 1 year extension which is far less a gamble than the jd drew or matsusaka deal

 

 

Amen Brotha Seano!!!! It'll be f***ing sad if he ends his career in any other uniform than a Red Sox uniform.....f***ing sad.....

[redsoxrules]

Amen Brotha Seano!!!! It'll be f***ing sad if he ends his career in any other uniform than a Red Sox uniform.....f***ing sad.....

 

yup but thats the way it goes ..its also said that theirs other players as well that didn't finish their career in boston, schilling wasent the first and he wont be the last either

[TheKilo]

A question do all you people who are doing the hand-wringing.

 

Why does the FO owe more to Schilling than they did to Pedro?

[redsoxrules]

A question do all you people who are doing the hand-wringing.

 

Why does the FO owe more to Schilling than they did to Pedro?

 

i agree with you there ... pedro put together 7 season that no one will never come close to match in boston

[Sox Fan on Cape]

It was assured JD Drew was the best RF available. Signing him made the Red Sox better. (Although even I think 5 yrs is too long)

 

It was assured Julio Lugo was the best SS available. Signing him made the Red Sox better.

 

Is it assured that signing Curt Schilling now makes the Red Sox better?

 

There is risks with every signing. Why not let Schilling prove his worth instead of handing over a contract to him when they didn't do it for Pedro/Lowe/Damon/etc.?

 

It was assured by who ? Assured is similar to a guarentee. It this similar to an unnamed source ?

[Sox Fan on Cape]

A question do all you people who are doing the hand-wringing.

 

Why does the FO owe more to Schilling than they did to Pedro?

 

They don't from a business perspective. However, if you look at what he did ( risked ) by pitching ( his career ) to win the World Series, maybe they do.

[riverside sluggers]

Eh he'll be 41 next year, he showed up to camp sporting a much visable beer gut, and he repeatedly told everyone 2007 would be his last year... I cant say I find good reason to put Theo's head on a spike for wanting to wait how he sees this year to give Curt $13 million or more

[MANNYHOF24]

They don't from a business perspective. However' date=' if you look at what he did ( risked ) by pitching ( his career ) to win the World Series, maybe they do.[/quote']

 

Pedro was the best pitcher in Red Sox history, he pitched with a 90% Labrum tear almost his entire tenure here. The FO didn't owe Pedro anything I don't think and they don't owe Schilling anything either.

[a700hitter]

The Red Sox organization does not owe Curt Schilling anything.

He did put his career and health on the line by pitching in the 2004 post season and agreeing to that experimental procedure. It shouldn't be forgotten that he pitched most of the year with Novocaine shots in that ankle. He laid it on the line like few athletes ever have. Also, the FO owes it to the fans not to have to many heroes from that team walk away.

[MANNYHOF24]

He did put his career and health on the line by pitching in the 2004 post season and agreeing to that experimental procedure. It shouldn't be forgotten that he pitched most of the year with Novocaine shots in that ankle. He laid it on the line like few athletes ever have. Also' date=' the FO owes it to the fans not to have to many heroes from that team walk away.[/quote']

 

I am not taking anything away from what Curt did at all. But that was 4 years ago, the Red Sox do not owe Curt Schilling a new contract for 07 after a down second half. Thats all I'm saying. Curt is a gutsy pitcher and I think he will pitch well and the sox will retain him anyways.

[ARod2212]

There's a difference between muscle weight and fat weight. He may have decreased in mass by a pound or two, but he looks out of shape. The number isn't the issue, how in shape is the guy? How much of an injury risk is he? That's the more pertinent question, in my opinion.

[a700hitter]

I am not taking anything away from what Curt did at all. But that was 4 years ago' date=' the Red Sox do not owe Curt Schilling a new contract for 07 after a down second half. Thats all I'm saying. Curt is a gutsy pitcher and I think he will pitch well and the sox will retain him anyways.[/quote']But they do owe it to the fans.

[MANNYHOF24]

There's a difference between muscle weight and fat weight. He may have decreased in mass by a pound or two' date=' but he looks out of shape. The number isn't the issue, how in shape is the guy? How much of an injury risk is he? That's the more pertinent question, in my opinion.[/quote']

 

I'm guessing the way people have reacted to it, he will do everything in his power to get into better shape by opening day.

[Sox Fan on Cape]

Eh he'll be 41 next year' date=' he showed up to camp sporting a much visable beer gut, and he repeatedly told everyone 2007 would be his last year... I cant say I find good reason to put Theo's head on a spike for wanting to wait how he sees this year to give Curt $13 million or more[/quote']

 

I never said they owe him 13 Million, nor that they should sign him now. What I said was they owe him something.

[Sox Fan on Cape]

I am not taking anything away from what Curt did at all. But that was 4 years ago' date=' the Red Sox do not owe Curt Schilling a new contract for 07 after a down second half. Thats all I'm saying. Curt is a gutsy pitcher and I think he will pitch well and the sox will retain him anyways.[/quote']

 

Try and keep the numbers right. Excuse me but it was in 2004', which would be three years ago. He he talking about an extension for 2008.

[VA Sox Fan]

yup but thats the way it goes ..its also said that theirs other players as well that didn't finish their career in boston' date=' schilling wasent the first and he wont be the last either[/quote']

 

Pedro was talking about his career being over in Boston 5 minutes after they won the WS. He knew there were issues. He's done fine in the NL and I'm happy for him and can never thank him enough for helping win the WS in 2004 (let alone all of the other great seasons). But look where Petey is now. I root for him, but he was done in 2004 for the Sox. Get well soon and THANK YOU!!!!

 

Schilling is like David Wells, overweight or not he will be healthy and win 14-15 games b/c he CAN. If not, he would retire.

 

One year isn't gonna kill the FO, sign Curty. If he can't do it, he'll tell you and retire. He's proud but not that proud. He has no agent, represents himself, very, very rare in the MLB these days. Even Tek has Borass.

 

Get a grip and wake up FO!!!!!!!!

[TheKilo]

I call ********. Curt Schlling is starting up a video game company, where is he going to get the capital from that?

 

I really don't think Curt Schilling is going to walk away from $13 million. If he earns it, give it to him. If not, you can let go.

 

Why does the FO owe Schilling anything? They're in this business to make money, not invest in someone who can't get it done anymore. Anyone who has ever taken an accounting class knows what a sunk cost is. Investing in a Curt Schilling that pitches the way he did in the second half last year is a sunk cost.

 

I'm rooting for Schilling to do an excellent job this season. I just don't see why the front office owes anyone anything.

[jacksonianmarch]

I may be in the minority on this, but if you have a kid like Lester sitting in the wings, with Buchholz potentially ready for next yr too, then you better have a hoss sitting in front of them. The Schilling that ended the season was not a hoss. And his trends are poor. He got hit around last yr something fierce and ending the yr with a .310+ BAA post AS break is not a way to do it. Granted, I have doubted Schilling before and he has proven me wrong, but if I were the sox, I'd wait till mid season. Schill will gladly take a one yr extension over AS weekend should he earn it.

 

But this certainly sounds exactly like what the sox did with Pedro, Damon, Nomar, etc. They are planning on his departure. This wont end well, I can see it. Schilling should have a frickin bronze statue made of him in copley square, but instead he may be shamed out of boston like the rest.

[jacksonianmarch]

I call ********. Curt Schlling is starting up a video game company, where is he going to get the capital from that?

 

I really don't think Curt Schilling is going to walk away from $13 million. If he earns it, give it to him. If not, you can let go.

 

Why does the FO owe Schilling anything? They're in this business to make money, not invest in someone who can't get it done anymore. Anyone who has ever taken an accounting class knows what a sunk cost is. Investing in a Curt Schilling that pitches the way he did in the second half last year is a sunk cost.

 

I'm rooting for Schilling to do an excellent job this season. I just don't see why the front office owes anyone anything.

 

as for letting him walk, if he was a FA this offseason, he could have gotten 3-4 yrs 30-45 mil, easy. Even if he blows this yr, he could still make nearly 13 mil.

[seabeachfred]

It was assured JD Drew was the best RF available. Signing him made the Red Sox better. (Although even I think 5 yrs is too long)

 

It was assured Julio Lugo was the best SS available. Signing him made the Red Sox better.

 

Is it assured that signing Curt Schilling now makes the Red Sox better?

 

There is risks with every signing. Why not let Schilling prove his worth instead of handing over a contract to him when they didn't do it for Pedro/Lowe/Damon/etc.?

 

One reason the front office might do it for Schilling is because he put his ass on the line for the team in the 2004 Playoffs and probably ruined his 2005 season while he was about it. Sometimes sentiment is a good thing to show towards a player, especially one who pitched with a ripped ankle and probably had no business even being on the mound that fall. There's a big difference between Curt and those other three besides the risk to his career that he took. The other three took the money and ran like hell. Curt is not asking for the damn moon, just a one year extention. He wants to stay in Boston; the other three didn't. I am very pleased the way Theo went out and got us some good reinforcements this year but the way he and the powers-that-be are treating Schilling is pure ********. He deserves better than that.

[TheKilo]

Schilling can earn his extension. There are just too many health questions surrounding him.

 

Again, the front office owes Schilling, and the fans, nothing.

[NateGrey]

.. Schill should STFU & concentrate on this season .. Geesh, I love him for what he did in O4 & all but holy f***s ..

 

[riverside sluggers]

I never said they owe him 13 Million' date=' nor that they should sign him now. What I said was they owe him something.[/quote']

 

I know, I was just saying price Curt has stated where he wants it to be

 

Jackson... I cant blame the Sox for not giving into Pedro's demands for a contract of 4 years or more. Turns out it a very good business decision to not give him a deal that long, hailing to their early concerns about his shoulder.

 

And Nomar? Many believe that without the Nomar trade, we dont make the world series. I make that trade 9 times out of 10. Also the Sox before the 2004 season made him an offer of an extension in the neighborhood of 5 years/$60 million. His soccer wife aided him to say that he'd still like to test free agency. Nomar acting selfish in the 1st half only helped Theo to get something in return fo him while he could. Course I miss the f*** out of Nomar, I do take pride in that his best years came as a Red Sox. Ditto for Pedro

[MANNYHOF24]

Try and keep the numbers right. Excuse me but it was in 2004'' date=' which would be three years ago. He he talking about an extension for 2008.[/quote']

 

Crap, that was a bad post.

[Mr Crunchy]

his era in the 2nd half was 4.68??

he had 15 wins

he missed almost an entire month between late aug and sept or he may have won 18

 

question for you business people

who do you want in this rotation with the ball in game 7??

 

anyone who says dice k or becks is a f***ing liar or worse,a bleeding nitwit

 

if theo and the fans think curt needs to earn it so be it

just remember

if he does earn it?? 13M isnt going to be the price

arroyo got a 25M extension

adam harang is making schilling money

both these guys pitch in poverty stricken cincinatti

if cinci opens its vaults like that who else would go after schill??

baltimore??

philly??

toronto??

the idea that the sox are alone in the schilling negotiations is wishful speculation and more to the point f***ing nonsense

this isnt jd drew we're discussing

this is pitching where gil meche is at 11M and ted lilly is in the same ballpark

 

this is pitching

not wily mo pena

 

 

SPLIT G IP H R HR BB SO W L Sv P/GS WHIP BAA ERA

Season 31 204.0 220 90 28 28 183 15 7 0 104.8 1.22 .276 3.97

 

what would those #s have EARNED schilling this season if he was on the market?

 

86% of his starts were considered quality efforts

his arm isnt a concern

he wants another year at the same money he made last season

 

the entire world,including his teamates are watching

if nothing else

with the young arms in camp they can learn a thing or 50 about courage,preperation,commitment and proffesionalism from this guy

 

the idea of this guy in camp unsigned for next year isnt a good business decision

its moronic and mindboggling

[MANNYHOF24]

It is not mind boggling, because all these other pitchers are not in their 40's. Pitchers eventually break down, and the Red Sox would be stupid to sign Curt now and risk him finally breaking down for good. If the red sox want Curt in the offseason they will be able to get him. It's not like he hates the organization, I mean if Curt goes out and pitches very well this year and it ends up costing them 2-3 million dollars more, then so what. It is in the Red Sox best intrest to do exactly what they are doing espescially with Lester and the rest of the young pitchers waiting in the wings. I also think this is a plus that Curt feels he has a chip on his shoulder, that can only be good for the 2007 Red Sox ballclub.

[Mr Crunchy]

good post manny

i disagree that schill will be an easy sign if we dont ink him now but your points are certainly valid

[seabeachfred]

Schilling can earn his extension. There are just too many health questions surrounding him.

 

Again, the front office owes Schilling, and the fans, nothing.

 

Yes Kilo, there are some health questions surrounding Schilling and most of them still hark back to those 2004 Playoffs when he risked his career to help bring a title to the Red Sox. As for his weight, Spring Training's regimen can enable him to shed some of those unwanted pounds. I think the FO is going your way on this thing and waiting to see how he pitches before offering him that extention and in normal circumstances with just about any other player I would say that's the wise course.

 

It isn't with Schilling in my opinion. He has demonstrated his loyalty to the team, the fans, the FO and the city with what he did for us, and if you'll permit me to say so, you saying the FO owes Schilling and the fans nothing is bogus. The FO owes the fans the best team they can put on the field; our ticket prices are through the roof and normal fans have to scrimp and save to attend a couple of games a year, and me out on the left coast has to use most of my vacation time and money to plan two or three trips to Boston so I fan see our team play. I do it gladly but not if I would have to see a shoddy team on the field that I thought the FO put out there just to try and win on the cheap. As for Schilling, the FO, the fans and his teammates owe him plenty.

 

Again, normally, I think most players are a bunch of greedy bastards who look at the money first and foremost. Curt is not doing that and I just think in his case he's the exception to the rule.

[seabeachfred]

I may be in the minority on this, but if you have a kid like Lester sitting in the wings, with Buchholz potentially ready for next yr too, then you better have a hoss sitting in front of them. The Schilling that ended the season was not a hoss. And his trends are poor. He got hit around last yr something fierce and ending the yr with a .310+ BAA post AS break is not a way to do it. Granted, I have doubted Schilling before and he has proven me wrong, but if I were the sox, I'd wait till mid season. Schill will gladly take a one yr extension over AS weekend should he earn it.

 

But this certainly sounds exactly like what the sox did with Pedro, Damon, Nomar, etc. They are planning on his departure. This wont end well, I can see it. Schilling should have a frickin bronze statue made of him in copley square, but instead he may be shamed out of boston like the rest.

 

That last paragraph of yours speaks volumes as to what is pissing me off right now. Schilling put his ass and career on the linefor us and deserves better consideratioin than he's getting now. Besides, neither Bucholz, Bowden or Bard are ready this year or next, and Lester can step into Wakefield's spot late this year or next. We could use Curt for one more year and I hope it gets done before the end of this season.