Good For You Bronson!

[VA Sox Fan]

Updated: Feb. 8, 2007, 12:45 PM ET

Reds' Arroyo agrees to 2-year extension through 2010Associated Press

 

 

CINCINNATI -- Right-hander Bronson Arroyo and the Cincinnati Reds agreed Thursday to a $25 million, two-year contract extension through 2010.

 

Arroyo's previous contract contains $8,075,000 in remaining guaranteed salary: $4,125,000 this year and $3.95 million in 2008.

 

His extension calls for a $2.5 million signing bonus, payable in 2008, and salaries of $9.5 million in 2009 and $11 million in 2010.

 

Cincinnati has an $11 million option for 2011 with a $2 million buyout. The price of the option can escalate to $13 million, based on innings.

 

As part of the extension, Arroyo agreed to eliminate a clause that could have increased his 2008 salary by $325,000 if he pitched 210 innings this year, and $325,000 in possible performance bonuses in 2008.

 

Arroyo's deal came two days after the Reds agreed to a $36.5 million, four-year contract with Aaron Harang, their other top starter. That agreement also includes a 2011 option.

 

Arroyo, an NL All-Star, led the major leagues with 240 2/3 innings pitched and was 14-11 with an ERA of 3.29.

 

He and Harang, who won 16 games and pitched 234 1/3 innings, became the first pair in Reds history to each pitch at least 200 innings and have at least 184 strikeouts. Harang led the National League with 216 strikeouts.

 

The Reds obtained the 30-year-old Arroyo from Boston last March in a trade for outfielder Wily Mo Pena.

 

Copyright 2007 by The Associated Press

[jacksonianmarch]

pretty nice, Cincy decided to make right what the sox made wrong in that contract. I still find it sad that he signs for less to stay on the one team he loves and then gets moved without throwing one pitch of the new deal. I am glad he landed on his feet.

[He Hate Me]

pretty nice' date=' Cincy decided to make right what the sox made wrong in that contract. I still find it sad that he signs for less to stay on the one team he loves and then gets moved without throwing one pitch of the new deal. I am glad he landed on his feet.[/quote']

 

Well you know, Willy Mo was the key to their season, so obviously teh Arroyo trade was awesome for Theo & Co.

[TheKilo]

^^You're both faggots.

[He Hate Me]

^^You're both faggots.

 

tee hee.

[example1]

^^You're both faggots.

 

I cringe every time I read that word. It's just so damn degrading.

[CrespoBlows]

I'm pretty sure he meant:

 

http://www.leithpetwerks.com/Cat_images/BB700.jpg

[Mr Crunchy]

no

i pretty sure he meant pickle smoochers

[CrespoBlows]

no

i pretty sure he meant pickle smoochers

 

I'm pretty sure you are correct.

[TheKilo]

http://supercanuk.gnn.tv/_var/blogs/17706-1d68e97f5e8457375ed687e587dabe78.jpg

[ORS]

pretty nice' date=' Cincy decided to make right what the sox made wrong in that contract. I still find it sad that he signs for less to stay on the one team he loves and then gets moved without throwing one pitch of the new deal. I am glad he landed on his feet.[/quote']

The contract they signed him to bought out the arb years of a league average pitcher. They didn't do anything wrong in that contract. He's not getting that kind of coin if he wasn't in the NL last year. If anything, he owes the Sox a thank you. Keep trying though.

[yeszir]

I'm pretty sure he meant:

 

http://www.leithpetwerks.com/Cat_images/BB700.jpg

 

http://tacklingtobacco.tamhsc.edu/html/images/40218.JPG

Its a faggot of fags.

[RedSoxRooter]

He should personally give Theo half his contract money after he pulled Arroyo off the scrap heap and gave him another shot. I'll still STILL take Wily Mo for Bronson. Yesterday, today and tomorrow.

 

But yeah, you gotta give it up for the guy. He's making Schilling money now. Smart move staying right where you are.

[CrespoBlows]

http://tacklingtobacco.tamhsc.edu/html/images/40218.JPG

Its a faggot of fags.

 

I typed in "human ashtray" to get a picture of a guy smoking a faggot of fags. The results were surprising to say the least. It seems they were trying to enter the body from a different opening. Does it reduce your chance of getting cancer? :dunno:

[RedSoxRooter]

I don't know. I typed in "human ashtray" and got this. :dunno:

 

http://www.tobaccofreeutah.org/images/TRUTH%20Images/truth-human%20ashtray.jpg

[jacksonianmarch]

in all seriousness, good for Bronson.

[HeadOfSoxNation]

I'm happy for him...he's always seemed like a good guy and I liked him as a player. I'll tell you this, I'm glad the Sox aren't paying him that kind of money...this market is a crazy thing. In a year with normal market conditions, Arroyo mayyyyy be worth 3/5 of what he's getting now, not a penny higher. I know he wasn't a FA, but you know the market still played into this deal.

 

I'm with RSR, 50,000,000 times over...I'll take Wily Mo any day of the week, but I don't wish Arroyo anything but the best.

[Mr Crunchy]

He should personally give Theo half his contract money after he pulled Arroyo off the scrap heap and gave him another shot. I'll still STILL take Wily Mo for Bronson. Yesterday, today and tomorrow.

 

But yeah, you gotta give it up for the guy. He's making Schilling money now. Smart move staying right where you are.

 

240 ip with a 3.5 era?

you'd still take the 4th outfielder who was so good we went out and dropped 70M on jd drew to replace him because he cant catch and has the plate discipline of a pit bull on a plate of pork chops....

 

why??

[He Hate Me]

240 ip with a 3.5 era?

you'd still take the 4th outfielder who was so good we went out and dropped 70M on jd drew to replace him because he cant catch and has the plate discipline of a pit bull on a plate of pork chops....

 

why??

 

That's not fair to the pitbull, they're not THAT out of control.

[RedSoxRooter]

Do you really think Arroyo would have pitched 240 innings with a 3.5 era in Boston?

 

He would have been a decent #5 with a 4.75+ era on last years staff - and that would not have made the difference last year at all.

 

Wily's a legit power threat as the 4th outfielder and off the bench. I'm dying to see him get 400 AB this year.

[jacksonianmarch]

you continue to discredit him now that he is gone. His career ERA in 401IP in Boston was 4.19. How would he be close to 5?

[Mr Crunchy]

a 4.00 with 200 innings on last years staff wouldve saved us a s*** load of pain in watching lenny dinardo dee snyder kason gabbard and jj johnson pollute fenway park dont you think??

 

the only way pena gets 400abs this year is if jd drew lives up to expectations and is dl'd for the year on june 1st....

this may happen

or

if coco crisp continues his sad efforts from last season or if manny or ortiz gets hurt

all things that are bad for boston

 

upper management knew it f***ed up

they saw their era and corrected it in the grotesque drew signing

 

i hope your correct on pena but im not on the positive with this guy

 

has he improved in the dominican league this winter??

he was under .150 the last i heard

[rician blast]

Do you really think Arroyo would have pitched 240 innings with a 3.5 era in Boston?

 

 

no ones saying they'd have won anything with him.

 

doesn't mean it wasn't a terrible trade.

 

there were about 3 of us that ripped that trade when it first happened and we got blasted for it. To me nothing has changed...a bad trade is a bad trade, and I don't see Wily Mo ever living up to the value that was discarded when Arroyo was traded.

[HeadOfSoxNation]

 

doesn't mean it wasn't a terrible trade.

 

To me nothing has changed...a bad trade is a bad trade, and I don't see Wily Mo ever living up to the value that was discarded when Arroyo was traded.

 

I'm just really confused by this...the guy saw very limited action last year due to our current OF and injury. What were you looking for him to do in that limited action that he didn't do? Hit over .300? Check. Show flashes of unbelievable power? Check. Hit relatively consistently when a lot of the Sox were in and out of slumps? Check.

 

No one's going to argue that there's not HUUUGE plate discipline issues here...and that his defense was sketchy, but I just can't see what else you want him to do last year. He took limited action and made the best of it. Plate discipline will come with time (and he's got plenty of that, he's still a baby), and the outfield at Fenway is one of the most difficult to play in all the Bigs, when he gets more experience with it, it'll get beyond a presentable level. Plus, it's great to have a guy who can play ALL THREE outfield positions and maybe some 1B.

[jacksonianmarch]

I'm just really confused by this...the guy saw very limited action last year due to our current OF and injury. What were you looking for him to do in that limited action that he didn't do? Hit over .300? Check. Show flashes of unbelievable power? Check. Hit relatively consistently when a lot of the Sox were in and out of slumps? Check.

 

No one's going to argue that there's not HUUUGE plate discipline issues here...and that his defense was sketchy, but I just can't see what else you want him to do last year. He took limited action and made the best of it. Plate discipline will come with time (and he's got plenty of that, he's still a baby), and the outfield at Fenway is one of the most difficult to play in all the Bigs, when he gets more experience with it, it'll get beyond a presentable level. Plus, it's great to have a guy who can play ALL THREE outfield positions and maybe some 1B.

 

I wouldnt say he can play all 3 OF position well. David Wells could play all 3 OF positions if he was pencilled into the lineup that way, but I dont think you'd want him to.

 

As for the deal, you had a guy who was a fan favorite in Boston and thrived under the pressure. He had a very good curve and an average repertoire otherwise, but gave you the option of pen or rotation and would eat innings in either role. After the pitching purge of the winter of 05, Arroyo was a must. Going into 06 with the rotation that they had, made little sense to send off the only real insurance policy the team had. Remember, the bullpen was shot, the rotation was filed with 3 guys who have significant recent injury history and one guy who was completely terrible the yr before (Clement). Papelbon was up there as an option and Lester was coming down the pike, but I have to believe that Francona had Paps slated to close after his solid pen stints in 05. That left the sox with a sieve like rotation with the only backup net being a 22 yr old lefty with control issues.

 

That was the net. There wasnt anyone with MLB experience. You didnt have 3 or 4 MLB ready high ceiling prospects ready in case one failed, nothing. It was Lester, then panic. And when you have Wells, Schilling coming off ankle surgery, and Beckett who was a perennial DL stint on the mound, you honestly need to prepare for the worst. Getting WMP would have been a nice move if they had a full rotation and 3 or 4 minor leaguers who were ready for the big time in case they faltered. Getting WMP would have been a good move if there were no injury question marks and if the rotation had proven rather durable over the last few yrs.

 

I dont think the question is the value of the deal so much as the state it left the sox in. WMP is a very good talent, but he is a talent that needs to grow and can only do so in the majors. Leaving you with a green kid who will hurt the team in the short term trying to learn the ropes of the bigs while leaving you with a gaping hole in your staff that will hurt you big time in the short term. It was a long sighted move leaving some serious damage to the short term, and that is the problem. If you want to make that deal, make sure that the short term effects are limited and the long term is huge. That wasnt the case.

[redsoxrules]

I'm just really confused by this...the guy saw very limited action last year due to our current OF and injury. What were you looking for him to do in that limited action that he didn't do? Hit over .300? Check. Show flashes of unbelievable power? Check. Hit relatively consistently when a lot of the Sox were in and out of slumps? Check.

 

No one's going to argue that there's not HUUUGE plate discipline issues here...and that his defense was sketchy, but I just can't see what else you want him to do last year. He took limited action and made the best of it. Plate discipline will come with time (and he's got plenty of that, he's still a baby), and the outfield at Fenway is one of the most difficult to play in all the Bigs, when he gets more experience with it, it'll get beyond a presentable level. Plus, it's great to have a guy who can play ALL THREE outfield positions and maybe some 1B.

 

he cant play any outfield position . f*** i wouldn't even play him DH if ortiz wasent on the team he'd probly screw that up to

[TGov]

he cant play any outfield position . f*** i wouldn't even play him DH if ortiz wasent on the team he'd probly screw that up to

 

he cant play OF that well rite now (at Fenway) but like HOSN said it will come with experience, give the guy a break, hes young, inexperienced yet one of the most powerful hitters in baseball... he's gonna be big in a few years, if that...

 

EDIT: Also he has good speed considering he's as big as a football player...

[Mr Crunchy]

I'm just really confused by this...the guy saw very limited action last year due to our current OF and injury. What were you looking for him to do in that limited action that he didn't do? Hit over .300? Check. Show flashes of unbelievable power? Check. Hit relatively consistently when a lot of the Sox were in and out of slumps? Check.

 

ok

fair enuff here but

did you expect to see him play right field like stevie wonder??

did you expect him to be on pace to break the strike out record??

 

christ

even if he hit 20 90 .300 it still doesnt make up for the fact that we gave away a 200 inning guy with a rubber arm who loved it here and got f***ed by theo for it by singing a home town discounted deal

take note

that may be the last home town deal that gets done with epstein

 

if pena makes the allstar team nobody will be happier than me

in fact i was of the mindset that theyd give him the 500abs nobody has yet given him in his career.

instead

management weighed its options and paid jd drew obscene money rather than put pena in the starting role in right field

i think that was an indictment on the future of pena

[TheKilo]

For the love of God can we please stop talking about the Bronson for Wily Mo trade.

 

 

PLEASE.