RJ back to the Diamondbacks??

[a700hitter]

Why? Now you can't keep track of how close or how far over 5.00 the Unit's ERA is; you really enjoyed doing that this season.

That was fun.

[26 Reasons to Hate Us]

Why? Now you can't keep track of how close or how far over 5.00 the Unit's ERA is; you really enjoyed doing that this season.

 

We can still keep track of Beckett's though

[a700hitter]

We can still keep track of Beckett's though

If Beckett beats the Yankees at the same rate that Unit beat the Sox, I'll be very happy.

[jacksonianmarch]

If Beckett beats the Yankees at the same rate that Unit beat the Sox' date=' I'll be very happy.[/quote']

 

If the sox can win games against us while giving up 7+ runs per game, then more power to them.

[26 Reasons to Hate Us]

If Beckett beats the Yankees at the same rate that Unit beat the Sox' date=' I'll be very happy.[/quote']

 

He's gonna have to turn things around pretty soon then. He was .500 vs. the yanks last year (2-2 0 NDs). Johnson was 7-1, 2 NDs in the last 2 years.

[a700hitter]

He's gonna have to turn things around pretty soon then. He was .500 vs. the yanks last year (2-2 0 NDs). Johnson was 7-1' date=' 2 NDs in the last 2 years.[/quote']I predict that Beckett will get more wins against the Yankees over the next two years than all of the players received by the Yankees in return for Johnson will get against the Red Sox. That will make me happy.

[jacksonianmarch]

I predict that Beckett will get more wins against the Yankees over the next two years than all of the players received by the Yankees in return for Johnson will get against the Red Sox. That will make me happy.

 

how bout if we turn those players plus other players into a player who beats the sox. Does that count?

[a700hitter]

how bout if we turn those players plus other players into a player who beats the sox. Does that count?

Let me know when that happens.

[26 Reasons to Hate Us]

how bout if we turn those players plus other players into a player who beats the sox. Does that count?

 

What if we turn the money we saved into a pitcher who beats the Sox? Surely that counts..

[a700hitter]

What if we turn the money we saved into a pitcher who beats the Sox? Surely that counts..

Let me know when that happens. Who do you have in mind ... Jeff Weaver?

[26 Reasons to Hate Us]

Let me know when that happens. Who do you have in mind ... Jeff Weaver?

 

You know who I'm talkin bout.

[a700hitter]

You know who I'm talkin bout.

Oh you mean Clemens. That's right. The Yankees have the inside line on Clemens, especially since they rid themselves of Randy Johnson. Well, if you are right about that and he does pitch for the Yankees in 2007 and he pitches for them prior to July, keep in mind that he was only 6-5 against the Red Sox while in a Yankee uniform. In his last year as a Yankee, he was 2-3 with an 8.67 ERA. That's even worse than Unit's 2006 7+ ERA against the Red Sox. What makes you think that Clemens will be any more effective against the Red Sox now that he's three years older? Bring him on.

[26 Reasons to Hate Us]

Oh you mean Clemens. That's right. The Yankees have the inside line on Clemens' date=' especially since they rid themselves of Randy Johnson. Well, if you are right about that and he does pitch for the Yankees in 2007 and he pitches for them prior to July, keep in mind that he was only 6-5 against the Red Sox while in a Yankee uniform. In his last year as a Yankee, he was 2-3 with an 8.67 ERA. That's even worse than Unit's 2006 7+ ERA against the Red Sox. What makes you think that Clemens will be any more effective against the Red Sox now that he's three years older? Bring him on.[/quote']

 

How many players in the current Sox batting order are still there from 2003? 3?

[a700hitter]

How many players in the current Sox batting order are still there from 2003? 3?

That's a good point. Other than Manny there aren't too many guys left from that team. Ortiz only played in 3 of the 5 games that Clemens pitched that year and only two of his losses. Ortiz was a factor in only one of the three games that he played against Clemens. Clemens will not get off as easy against Papi the next time around if there is a next time. In case you haven't noticed, Ortiz has become a major offensive force since then.

[Gom]

I love this deal.

 

So do I. For completely different reasons.

[jacksonianmarch]

That's a good point. Other than Manny there aren't too many guys left from that team. Ortiz only played in 3 of the 5 games that Clemens pitched that year and only two of his losses. Ortiz was a factor in only one of the three games that he played against Clemens. Clemens will not get off as easy against Papi the next time around if there is a next time. In case you haven't noticed' date=' Ortiz has become a major offensive force since then.[/quote']

 

he can walk Ortiz, take his chances on Manny and the rest of the lineup that is not anywhere near as good as it was top to bottom as it was in 03.

[a700hitter]

he can walk Ortiz' date=' take his chances on Manny and the rest of the lineup that is not anywhere near as good as it was top to bottom as it was in 03.[/quote']You make the mistake of equating the '06 offense with the '07 lineup. The '06 lineup did not have Julio Lugo, J.D. Drew or a healthy Coco Crisp-- all upgrades.

[jacksonianmarch]

You make the mistake of equating the '06 offense with the '07 lineup. The '06 lineup did not have Julio Lugo' date=' J.D. Drew or a healthy Coco Crisp-- all upgrades.[/quote']

 

all upgrades over the worst sox offense since Ortiz made his way to Boston. Not saying much. And all are far from sure things. The only sure thing I'll give you is that Lugo will be a solid contract that you wont regret.

[jacksonianmarch]

Here's how I see the rotational change.

 

Wang = Wang

Mussina = Mussina

Pettitte > RJ

Igawa > Wright

Pavano/Kids > Chacon/Lidle

 

looks good to me!

[Manny Goes Boom]

Here's how I see the rotational change.

 

Wang = Wang

Mussina = Mussina

Pettitte > RJ

Igawa > Wright

Pavano/Kids > Chacon/Lidle

 

looks good to me!

 

Have you taken your insulin today mr.?

 

-No way Wang repeats last year.

-Same for Moose

-Pettite's coming from the NL to the AL. I've always had reservations about guys doing that, and lately it hasnt worked, with a few exceptions (Schilling). And hes advancing in years.

-Chacon was bad but Lidle (R.I.P) in a full year woulda been better than Pavano.

 

Damn Kool-aid addict...

[a700hitter]

Here's how I see the rotational change.

 

Wang = Wang

Mussina = Mussina

Pettitte > RJ

Igawa > Wright

Pavano/Kids > Chacon/Lidle

 

looks good to me!

Not as good as:

 

Wang=Wang

Johnson=Johnson

Pettitte>Wright

Moose=Moose

Igawa>Chacon, Lidle

[jacksonianmarch]

no way wang repeats last yr? Go bet on that sonny.

Mussina too?

Pettitte is really gonna suck back in NY, where he was a star. And yeah, the rest just plain suck. How did you like the sox rotation again?

[Manny Goes Boom]

no way wang repeats last yr? Go bet on that sonny.

Mussina too?

Pettitte is really gonna suck back in NY, where he was a star. And yeah, the rest just plain suck. How did you like the sox rotation again?

 

Wang was amazing last year, he's due to flater a little isnt he?

I'm betting on Moose's age to catch up with him.

Pettite was a star 3 years ago, before his injuries in Houston

 

And where did I ever make a comparison to our rotation?

[jacksonianmarch]

Not as good as:

 

Wang=Wang

Clemens>Johnson

Pettitte>Wright

Moose=Moose

Igawa>Chacon, Lidle

 

 

looks better now!

[a700hitter]

looks better now!

Not as good as:

Wang=Wang

Moose=Moose

Johnson=Johnson

Clemens>Wright

Pettitte>Chacon/Lidle

[jacksonianmarch]

Wang was amazing last year, he's due to flater a little isnt he?

I'm betting on Moose's age to catch up with him.

Pettite was a star 3 years ago, before his injuries in Houston

 

And where did I ever make a comparison to our rotation?

 

Wang was the man last yr. It isnt like his stuff is going to regress or peopler are going to "figure him out". He throws 1 pitch 85% of the time and it is so good that nobody can lift it.

 

Time caught up with Mussina 2 years ago. That is why he changed last yr and accounted for it. He used to throw 92-94, but once his heat dipped into the upper 80s, his differential of speed was not enough between the heater and off speed stuff, so he got shillacked. He slowed down the slow stuff and was reborn. While I dont expect a 3.5 era again, a sub 4 era is not out of the question. I just dont get the "injuries in Houston" bit. He injured his arm 3 years ago swinging a bat. He lost 2/3 of the season to surgery. He came back and has made more starts since than almost any other pitcher in the majors. And aside from the first half of last season, the past 2 yrs have been damn successful.

[jacksonianmarch]

Not as good as:

Wang=Wang

Moose=Moose

Johnson=Johnson

Clemens>Wright

Pettitte>Chacon/Lidle

 

not as good as

 

Santana, Zambrano, Halladay, Peavy, Prior either, but I'll take it.

[a700hitter]

not as good as

 

Santana, Zambrano, Halladay, Peavy, Prior either, but I'll take it.

Your rotation was only one acquistion away from Wang, Moose, Pettitte, Johnson and Clemens. That would have been impressive.

[Manny Goes Boom]

not as good as

 

Santana, Zambrano, Halladay, Peavy, Prior either, but I'll take it.

 

You'd take Prior?

[Gom]

Your rotation was only one acquistion away from Wang' date=' Moose, Pettitte, Johnson and Clemens. That would have been impressive.[/quote']

 

GUYS! RJ SUCKED LAST YEAR! WHY ARE YOU GUYS HARPING ON THIS GUY LIKE HE WAS HORATIO AT THE BRIDGE FOR US?

 

Look, power pitchers who don't adapt, with very few exceptions, don't do well. Soon, Schilling will seriously decline. Baseball is all about split second timing. If you start to lose that split second advantage, you get creamed as a pitcher.

 

I am glad the Yankees FO didn't wait for RJ to completely fall on his face before getting rid of him.

 

Most of RSN here is pretty sharp. Truthfully, your team feelings aside, did you expect the Yankees to resign RJ after this season? Did you think it was a good move for the Yankees? If not, why not get rid of the guy who was going to start the season on the DL, and use one of your young players/excess starters to take his place. It's not like it's that hard to find a pitcher who gives you a 5.00 ERA is hard to replace.

 

This off-season, the Yankees have gotten younger, shed a good portion of their bloated payroll, and acquired depth in the most difficult position to do so in their farm system: Starting pitching.

 

Now the Sox got lucky that Drew didn't pass the physical, I thought it was a bad contract. Let's for a second assume that the deal goes through with roughly the same parameters. Igawa was a bad contract. We both get one bad one. However, the signing of Matsuzaka was great for you guys, Lugo is a good addition, and on the other side, bringing back Pettite was a good move, resigning Moose for a discount is good, and shedding the contracts of Wright, RJ, and Sheffield, while getting serious depth at the Triple A level is a very strong bonus.

 

I think far and away, the Yankees and Red Sox have had, by far, the best offseasons so far of all the teams. There isn't even a shred of doubt in my mind that these teams rank 1a and 1b. As to who did better, I'm biased, but I'd love to hear someone's opinion on which team has had a better offseason so far than either team.

 

Hats off to Cashman and Theo. Those guys have done a great job so far this offseason.