Sox/Yanks battle for Pirates' Mike Gonzalez

[jacksonianmarch]

you guys wanted me to bash the NYY when they make a bad move n my opinion, and this sure as hell burns me bad. Consider me upset if this happens.

[schillingouttheks]

also' date=' I dont grade the yankees the way I would grade other teams. Maybe it is bias, but I think it is well founded. [/quote']

 

I think jackson just admitted he's a Yanks fan!

 

Anyway, I understand your reasoning. Mike Gonzalez COULD turn out to be a nice signing for you, though. I mean, he could cause as many unsettling feelings as Farnsworth, but I don't think he could be that much worse. :thumbsup:

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

Pretty strong words Jackson. I'm not ready to jump off the bridge. I think this is a classic example of the Yankees selling high on Proctor and Melky. I think last year was Proctor's ceiling. I dont see it getting any better for the 30 year old(when the season starts). You do have a case with Melky however on this team as it currently stands he is a 4th OF and I dont see him being much more FOR THE YANKEES because I see them going after guys like Vernon Wells next year after Abreu walks away.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

Manny too.

 

I dont think they beat us for Manny. If I remember correctly the Yankees made a choice Manny or Mussina and we went with Mussina.

[schillingouttheks]

Pretty strong words Jackson. I'm not ready to jump off the bridge. I think this is a classic example of the Yankees selling high on Proctor and Melky. I think last year was Proctor's ceiling. I dont see it getting any better for the 30 year old(when the season starts). You do have a case with Melky however on this team as it currently stands he is a 4th OF and I dont see him being much more FOR THE YANKEES because I see them going after guys like Vernon Wells next year after Abreu walks away.

Vernon Wells was offered a 7 year / $126 million contract from the Jays. I'm sure the Yankees could go higher, but does Vernon Wells just switch to RF for you guys?

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

Vernon Wells was offered a 7 year / $126 million contract from the Jays. I'm sure the Yankees could go higher' date=' but does Vernon Wells just switch to RF for you guys?[/quote']

Last year Damon said he'd swich to LF for Tori Hunter(these were the rumors when we lost both Sheff and Matsui) so I'm assuming he would do it for Wells also.

[schillingouttheks]

Oh, I didn't know that. What about switching to right field, though?

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

Oh' date=' I didn't know that. What about switching to right field, though? [/quote']

 

Only if we have another guy out there throwing the ball back in for him.

[schillingouttheks]

At least right field is closer to the infield at Yankee Stadium

[jacksonianmarch]

ATG, I think Gonzalez has upside, dont get me wrong. And I think the time might be right to deal Proctor and Melky. But if the yankees are getting an injury prone lefty in return, count me out. Proctor gave the yankees 100 innings of relief last yr that nobody else was capable of taking, especially early on. If the yankees move Proctor, then a guy like Shields needs to be coming back.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

ATG' date=' I think Gonzalez has upside, dont get me wrong. And I think the time might be right to deal Proctor and Melky. But if the yankees are getting an injury prone lefty in return, count me out. Proctor gave the yankees 100 innings of relief last yr that nobody else was capable of taking, especially early on. If the yankees move Proctor, then a guy like Shields needs to be coming back.[/quote']

I think the 100 innings of relief scare the Yankees. Thats quite a huge workload and like I said I dont see Proctor getting much better. Gonzalez is cleary a risk/reward guy. Hes risky because hes had some injury problems but when he is pitching he is nasty.

[jacksonianmarch]

I also think that getting Gonzalez forces the yankees to get 1000IP out of their rotation. Having Proctor is nice insurance to have if the pen needs to be leaned on for a short stretch.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

I also think that getting Gonzalez forces the yankees to get 1000IP out of their rotation. Having Proctor is nice insurance to have if the pen needs to be leaned on for a short stretch.

I was kinda hoping getting guys like Chris Britton, inserting JB Cox into the fold sometime during the season would help take that kind of pressure off of Proctor. Its quite clear the only reason why he threw 100 innings was everyone outside of Rivera was either medicore or flat out sucked.

 

EDIT: I forgot about Bruney also.

[ARod2212]

If you want to trade Proctor that's one thing. But no way do you trade Melky. Absolutely not.

[Beckett95]

Id say there's a very good chance of Crisp being dealt before the season, and could very well be for a closer

[Cityofchampions33]

Lugo, SS

Youkilis, 1B

Ortiz, DH

Ramirez, LF

Drew, RF

Pena, CF (He looked decent out there last year)

Varitek, C

Lowell, 3B

Pedroia, 2B

 

Schilling

Beckett

Matsuzaka

Wakefield

Papelbon

 

CL - Gonzalez

 

Good team if we can get one more middle reliver

[schillingouttheks]

Can't that one middle reliever be Craig Breslow? Why is everyone forgetting about him so quickly? I really want him to be given a shot at winning a spot on the team during ST.

[jacksonianmarch]

Breslow? Nice late piece to a pen, maybe, but when the big parts are missing, thinking about Breslow doesnt do much.

[schillingouttheks]

Did you watch him? I know he wasn't given many opportunities, but boy oh boy when he was given the opportunity did he deliver. He had great command and consistently got outs. Exactly what you need out of a middle reliever. Just get through the innings consistently. I think I'm a lot higher on Breslow than most people. I just loved watching him pitch. He really was fantastic when given the chance.

[jacksonianmarch]

Did you watch him? I know he wasn't given many opportunities' date=' but boy oh boy when he was given the opportunity did he deliver. He had great command and consistently got outs. Exactly what you need out of a middle reliever. Just get through the innings consistently. I think I'm a lot higher on Breslow than most people. I just loved watching him pitch. He really was fantastic when given the chance.[/quote']

 

I definitely see him in the pen. But I dont think he is a piece that can withstand a ton of pressure if you know what I mean. 11th or 12 pitcher on a team, absolutely, but key middle reliever, setup man, gulp...closer. No way. Nice piece to have, nowhere near a reliable guy...yet. Give him time and for god sakes dont rush another young reliever. Plus, he walks too many. 19BB in 28 MLB innings is WAY too much if you dont have power stuff to compensate.

[a700hitter]

the thing is bosox' date=' unlike the red sox, everytime the sox make a pre-emptive strike and nab a player the yankees have tabbed for obtaining, there is a reactive move. That seems to lessen the blow significantly. The other way around cannot always be said.[/quote']I think D-Mat was a pretty good reactive move to the big Humberto acquisition. It lessened the impact for me quite significantly.

[BSN07]

LOL A700:thumbsup:

 

 

Look for us to get another MR pitcher from the Marlins for Murphy. There looking for a CF and its been said the eye is on Murphy. Which is good for us, if we get a decent arm for him to eat some innings out of the pen that be great. Besides Murphy is gonna be a decent player, but theres a log jam at CF and he will probably not get a chance on the SOX with Ellsbury coming up so fast.

[Cityofchampions33]

Breslow was very good when given the opportunity alst eyar, he came in soem tough spots and did his job. If Okajima is the set up man (cross finegrs for closer) we all hope he could be, breslow could take voer as the lefty specialist.

[jacksonianmarch]

I think D-Mat was a pretty good reactive move to the big Humberto acquisition. It lessened the impact for me quite significantly.

 

Matsuzaka was the big coup early on. Then the yankees got Pettitte. Matsuzaka doesnt hurt as much anymore. See.

[jacksonianmarch]

Breslow was very good when given the opportunity alst eyar' date=' he came in soem tough spots and did his job. If Okajima is the set up man (cross finegrs for closer) we all hope he could be, breslow could take voer as the lefty specialist.[/quote']

 

Well, if you look at the stats, he wasnt all that wonderful in a very short stint. Promising, yes, but very good, NO. Like I said, I would like to have him on my team, no doubt. But he isnt a guy I'd put pressure on. He'd be the 11th or 12th pitcher out of the pen.

[Cityofchampions33]

Well' date=' if you look at the stats, he wasnt all that wonderful in a very short stint. Promising, yes, but very good, NO. Like I said, I would like to have him on my team, no doubt. But he isnt a guy I'd put pressure on. He'd be the 11th or 12th pitcher out of the pen.[/quote']

 

Well he's sitll decently young and could devlop into a good lefty specialist, but I agree for now he should be the clean-up guy

[jacksonianmarch]

then we are in agreement.

[a700hitter]

Matsuzaka was the big coup early on. Then the yankees got Pettitte. Matsuzaka doesnt hurt as much anymore. See.

Oh, that's right you got back the guy with the bad elbow that was ready to fall apart. I guess 3 years in Houston has cured his elbow. Maybe the Red Sox will counter Pettitte with Clemens.

[Beckett95]

Im not a big Gonzalez fan, but he's better than other options out there

[hoke3182]

if the bucs want that much for a good closer in the nl, not a great closer they can keep him. overated.