Yankees sign Pettitte to 1 yr deal with option

[jacksonianmarch]

It happens. Maybe if 60% of the rotation doesn't go on the DL this year we'll have a shot.

 

Lets not assume the yankees didnt have problems in their rotation either. Cmon now. Schilling and Beckett both got close to 200IP or surpassed it. Wake still got to around 150. It is not like you had a 2005 yankees on your hands.

[TheKilo]

Lets not assume the yankees didnt have problems in their rotation either. Cmon now. Schilling and Beckett both got close to 200IP or surpassed it. Wake still got to around 150. It is not like you had a 2005 yankees on your hands.

 

 

Hold on a second. You comparing the Red Sox pitching injuries to the Yankees?

 

Wang - 33 GS, 218 IP

Johnson - 33 GS, 205 IP

Mussina - 32 GS, 197.2 IP

Wright - 27 GS, 140 IP (still made his starts)

Chacon/Lidle/Ponson - 23 GS

 

 

Compared to Sox:

Schilling - 31 GS, 204 IP

Beckett - 33 GS, 204.2 IP

Wakefield - 23 GS, 140 IP (comparable to Wright, went down with Injury)

Lester - 15 GS, 81.1 IP (went down with injury)

 

Then you have the s*** crew of Jason Johnson/Kyle Snyder/Matt Clement - 43 GS.

 

Wells - 8 starts, went down with injury

Clement went down with injury.

 

You're kidding youself if you don't think not having Wakefield and Wells instead of Johnson and Snyder gives us a better chance to win last year.

 

The Yankees rotation problems are that Chacon got figured out and Pavan had sand in his vagina.

[jacksonianmarch]

so if you have the above situation, knowing that Clement is out, and you add Papelbon and Matsuzaka to the mix, how in the hell does that bullpen get figured out and how the hell can you say that the injury bug isnt making its way back for the suddenly human Schilling, the shoulder of Paps, or the elbow of Matsuzaka who has been overworked a whole lot in Japan. If healthy, the sox rotation will be very solid, but their injury concerns are worse than the yankees are right now and that includes sandly clit Pavano.

[TheKilo]

so if you have the above situation' date=' knowing that Clement is out, and you add Papelbon and Matsuzaka to the mix, how in the hell does that bullpen get figured out and how the hell can you say that the injury bug isnt making its way back for the suddenly human Schilling, the shoulder of Paps, or the elbow of Matsuzaka who has been overworked a whole lot in Japan. If healthy, the sox rotation will be very solid, but their injury concerns are worse than the yankees are right now and that includes sandly clit Pavano.[/quote']

 

And the back of RJ

And the shoulder of Wang

etc.

[jacksonianmarch]

And the back of RJ

And the shoulder of Wang

etc.

 

wang's shoulder is not an issue. RJ's back, which flared up last yr, and Mussina's arm (which flared up last yr) and Pavano's clitoris and labia majora (which flared up every year) are always concerns. The yankees have depth in the rotation. 6 deep in veteran starters with Karstens and Rasner at the MLB level and Clippard, Hughes, and Sanchez in AAA. Their depth is a strength for the first time in a long time.

[MANNYHOF24]

thats what we were saying last year

[riverside sluggers]

The 3-4-5-6 of Ortiz, Ramirez, Drew, Tek have some nice stats against Petitte

[a700hitter]

The title of this thread is really misleading. It's really a two-year deal for a pitcher with a bad elbow. Why would Pettitte walk away from $16 million in 2008. He'd have to be the biggest fool in the world.

[jacksonianmarch]

The 3-4-5-6 of Ortiz' date=' Ramirez, Drew, Tek have some nice stats against Petitte[/quote']

 

Drew and Tek? Drew cannot hit lefties and Tek wont have nice stats against anyone.

[jacksonianmarch]

thats what we were saying last year

 

until you traded away a reliable and cheap arm for wimpy.

[jacksonianmarch]

The title of this thread is really misleading. It's really a two-year deal for a pitcher with a bad elbow. Why would Pettitte walk away from $16 million in 2008. He'd have to be the biggest fool in the world.

 

there is an agreement that Pettitte will decline the option if he is injured. A bad elbow is subjective. Pavano had a mildly bad elbow and missed the whole season. Aside from 04 surgery, Pettitte has been very reliable and should continue to be so.

[ORS]

until you traded away a reliable and cheap arm for wimpy.

Wimpy? I expect more from ya, Jacko. That's Gom level stuff right there. You respond vehemently about not trolling here, and for the most part I agree, but that lends credence to the notion. Besides, it's not even accurate, the guy would twist you into a pretzel. He's a freak.

[jacksonianmarch]

Wimpy? I expect more from ya' date=' Jacko. That's Gom level stuff right there. You respond vehemently about not trolling here, and for the most part I agree, but that lends credence to the notion. Besides, it's not even accurate, the guy would twist you into a pretzel. He's a freak.[/quote']

 

I know, lol. He is huge. I just kept seeing WMP and figured wimp would work. How about whiffin wily?

[schillingouttheks]

Oh God. Enough of Whiffin Wily. There was some idiot who annoyed the s*** out of us last year and ultimately got banned, but that was his trademark.

[riverside sluggers]

Drew and Tek? Drew cannot hit lefties and Tek wont have nice stats against anyone.

 

As everyone knows on this board, I just dont make up batting stats vs pitchers

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/5331/batvspit;_ylt=Ajwuhfwyk2IdDQuTEEtieIyFCLcF?year=career&type=Pitching

 

Ortiz-- 9 for 22 (.409 avg) 3 Doubles, HR, 3 RBIs, 2 Walks, 6 Ks, SB

Ramirez-- 25 for 59 (.424 avg) 7 Doubles, 3 HRs, 18 RBIs, 5 Walks, 4 Ks, SB

Drew-- 3 for 8 (.375 avg) Double, 2 HRs, 2 RBIs, Walk, 4 Ks

Varitek-- 13 for 36 (.361 avg) Double, Triple, 4 RBIs, 3 Walks, 12 Ks

 

Ok and Drew can't hit lefties? He's not actually a true Trot Nixon comparison. He has a career .264 avg facing southpaws

[a700hitter]

As everyone knows on this board, I just dont make up batting stats vs pitchers

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/5331/batvspit;_ylt=Ajwuhfwyk2IdDQuTEEtieIyFCLcF?year=career&type=Pitching

 

Ortiz-- 9 for 22 (.409 avg) 3 Doubles, HR, 3 RBIs, 2 Walks, 6 Ks, SB

Ramirez-- 25 for 59 (.424 avg) 7 Doubles, 3 HRs, 18 RBIs, 5 Walks, 4 Ks, SB

Drew-- 3 for 8 (.375 avg) Double, 2 HRs, 2 RBIs, Walk, 4 Ks

Varitek-- 13 for 36 (.361 avg) Double, Triple, 4 RBIs, 3 Walks, 12 Ks

 

Ok and Drew can't hit lefties? He's not actually a true Trot Nixon comparison. He has a career .264 avg facing southpaws

Tek is a much better RH hitter than lefthanded. Yankee fans that come here just don't know these finer points, but argue as if they are authorities.

[ARod2212]

Tek is a much better RH hitter than lefthanded. Yankee fans that come here just don't know these finer points' date=' but argue as if they are authorities.[/quote'] Well his .229/.299/.688 splits from last season against lefties are not all that intimidating. Varitek has regressed to the point where it doesn't matter who he's facing.

[jacksonianmarch]

Drew's OPS was 230 point lower facing lefties last yr than it was facing righties. The yr before that, his OPS vs lefties was 324 points lower than vs righties. I'll take the recent trends.

[a700hitter]

Well his .229/.299/.688 splits from last season against lefties are not all that intimidating. Varitek has regressed to the point where it doesn't matter who he's facing.

He had a bad knee.

[jacksonianmarch]

He had a bad knee.

 

he had a bad knee in august when he missed 4 weeks. His knee was fine during the season.

[a700hitter]

he had a bad knee in august when he missed 4 weeks. His knee was fine during the season.

No the knee had been hurting him from early on in the season, but he thought that he could play through it.

[Gom]

Wimpy? I expect more from ya' date=' Jacko. That's Gom level stuff right there. You respond vehemently about not trolling here, and for the most part I agree, but that lends credence to the notion. Besides, it's not even accurate, the guy would twist you into a pretzel. He's a freak.[/quote']

 

I resent that remark. I would definitely come up with a better nickname than wimpy. I do like Whiffin' Wily though.

 

My favorite taunt last year at the stadium was "Hey Manny, do you like the taste of Coco?"

 

Infantile...puerile...but I love it!

[Gom]

On another note...considering that I gave you guys credit for winning the Matsuzaka post, and kudos for signing Drew and Lugo, can't you admit the Yankees made a nice move in bringing back Pettitte?

[Cocos Disciples]

Yeah, it was a good move. Since its only 1 year the salary isn't huge and he can definitely be a good pitcher, he's shown he can. Props.

[TheKilo]

On another note...considering that I gave you guys credit for winning the Matsuzaka post' date=' and kudos for signing Drew and Lugo, can't you admit the Yankees made a nice move in bringing back Pettitte?[/quote']

 

I've only said it was a good move 500 times. It makes your rotation better. Therefore, a good move.

 

Do I think it's possible he won't be worth the $16 mil? Yes. Doesn't mean it's not a good signing. The $$ doesn't factor in to the Yankees' decision making anyway.

[BoSox34]

It's almost as if Pettite is doing the Yankees a favor by the way he talks about returning. Don't expect this guy to be the Pettite from a decade ago. His ERA will probably be somewhere in the mid 4's and he'll keep the Yankees in some ballgames. Better option than some of the bums they threw out there last season, but don't expect him to be carrying their rotation.

[jacksonianmarch]

It's almost as if Pettite is doing the Yankees a favor by the way he talks about returning. Don't expect this guy to be the Pettite from a decade ago. His ERA will probably be somewhere in the mid 4's and he'll keep the Yankees in some ballgames. Better option than some of the bums they threw out there last season' date=' but don't expect him to be carrying their rotation.[/quote']

 

of course, we should all expect him to suck now that he is in NY. Okay brother.

 

The Yankees dont need him to carry a rotation. They need him to eat innings and win ballgames which is something he is very good at. Trust me, we have seen this guy before. He went to Houston and essentially did the exact same thing, except for the trainwreck at the beginning of 2006.

 

A rotation starting with Wang, Mussina, and Pettitte will be very nice. Johnson works well as a 4 because he will eat innings and has an uncanny knack for winning ballgames (17 last yr with a 5era). If Igawa can duplicate his endurance over here than the yankees may actually have a 1000IP rotation. THAT is what he brings. Stability.

[BoSox34]

of course, we should all expect him to suck now that he is in NY. Okay brother.

 

The Yankees dont need him to carry a rotation. They need him to eat innings and win ballgames which is something he is very good at. Trust me, we have seen this guy before. He went to Houston and essentially did the exact same thing, except for the trainwreck at the beginning of 2006.

 

A rotation starting with Wang, Mussina, and Pettitte will be very nice. Johnson works well as a 4 because he will eat innings and has an uncanny knack for winning ballgames (17 last yr with a 5era). If Igawa can duplicate his endurance over here than the yankees may actually have a 1000IP rotation. THAT is what he brings. Stability.

 

I'd like to see you point out the part of my post where I said he would suck. Like I said, he'll be a mediocre pitcher at best, he won't regain his from from a decade ago, and he won't carry the rotation. Thanks for quoting me, disagreeing with me, and basically writing the exact same thing.

[jacksonianmarch]

mediocre at best is what I have issue with. Jaret Wright was mediocre at best. Pettitte will be spectacular at best and mediocre at worst.

[riverside sluggers]

Drew's OPS was 230 point lower facing lefties last yr than it was facing righties. The yr before that' date=' his OPS vs lefties was 324 points lower than vs righties. I'll take the recent trends.[/quote']

 

Well obvious'y his OPS will be higher facing righties than lefties.

 

In limited time against Petitte, which Im sure was recent, he's had 2 HRs and a Double in 8 ABs facing him. He has a career .264 avg facing southpaws. Im sorry but I just laugh when I saw "Drew can not hit lefties", he's not Trot Nixon