Who's our closer next year?

[BSN07]

He had shoulder surgery at the end of the year. He's still on the team and the odds of him being traded are none because he isn't expected to beable to throw in 07.

[BoSox21]

Yea, the Sox are definitely gonna have to swallow the rest of his contract, no doubt about it

[riverside sluggers]

Speaking of which, my friend sent me a link to a clip on youtube. What has Clement been doing with his time off you ask?

 

[Beckett95]

Speaking of which, my friend sent me a link to a clip on youtube. What has Clement been doing with his time off you ask?

 

 

hahaha, i saw a guy driving the other day that looked exactly like Clement

[Cocos Disciples]

http://realgmbaseball.com/src_wiretap_archives/4510/20061207/foulke_will_decline_bostons_arbitration_offer/

[a700hitter]

We've heard that there is no truth to the rumor of WMP for Chad Cordero, but what if we added Hansen? I'd do it. Would the Nats?

[jacksonianmarch]

We've heard that there is no truth to the rumor of WMP for Chad Cordero' date=' but what if we added Hansen? I'd do it. Would the Nats?[/quote']

 

If I were the Nats, I would sit back and wait for these negotiations to finish. They have Cordero locked up for at least the next 3 yrs so there is no rush at all. Then, if the red sox are bent over a chair looking for a closer, I'd stick it to em asking for WMP, Ellsbury, Hansen and Bowden.

[ORS]

And you'd be rejected, because that is a ridiculous offer.

 

The Sox wouldn't be the only team with needs in that negotiation. The Nats just lost both starting COF, and Bowden has a soft spot for WMP.

[jacksonianmarch]

Bowden also has the luxury of being on a "rebuilding" team with a less than rabid fan base. He has the luxury to try what he has and if it doesnt work, nobody will really care. If the red sox have a solid season, but lose because they did not get a closers spot then the teflon GM will be on the hot seat. Pressure is a wonderful thing.

[ORS]

[noparse]Bowden's luxury is being misrepresented here. His previous "owner" (MLB) didn't care too much about on field results. He's got a new owner, who is building a new stadium (anyone interested in progress pics PM me, I work for the company building it), and will take much more interest in how the team does on the field. When you are rebuilding a team you start with the rotation and lineup. Hanging on to a closer when the team has serious needs in these areas is working backwards. WMP fills a gaping hole and Hansen provides a potential replacement.

 

Personally, I don't want to move both of those guys for Cordero. He's a bit overrated right now, IMO. He beats his FIP every year with a good strand rate, but I don't want to bank on that continuing, and he's starting to get hit. I think WMP is going to progress at the plate. He'll never have the eye or discipline to morph into a 1.000+ OPS hitter, but I think he'll develop into a capable replacement for Manny in LF. I still think Hansen can be better than Cordero. If that is a trade they make, it won't upset me to any degree, but anything more than that is a huge mistake.[/noparse]

[Mr Crunchy]

pena wont get 250abs this season due to drew signing and manny staying put unless injury happens

 

this is whats mind boggling

 

we deemed wmp as the right fielder and traded a 200ip/15 win guy for him

then we go and pull his playing time from under him at the cost of 70M for a guy who wont approach him power wise....

 

and any possible development with this kid is now going to be retarded unless hes dealt

 

we couldve kept nixon and wmp and gotten another arm rather than dropping 14M per on drew...

pena will outhomer drew in 1/2 the ab's for 10% of the money

 

i dont understand the mindset

[elsrbueno]

If I were the Nats' date=' I would sit back and wait for these negotiations to finish. They have Cordero locked up for at least the next 3 yrs so there is no rush at all. Then, if the red sox are bent over a chair looking for a closer, I'd stick it to em asking for WMP, Ellsbury, Hansen and Bowden.[/quote']

 

Wow dude.

 

First Damaso Marte's nothing special but if he's going to the Yankees all he's worth is a AAAA player who's at best a backup outfielder.

 

But if I posted an idea saying the Red Sox should persue him he'd be worth Manny straight up.

 

Cordero's a decent closer, but he's also got the luxury of pitching in the no offense NL East. I wouldn't trade any 2 of those guys for Chad Cordero.

[riverside sluggers]

If I were the Nats' date=' I would sit back and wait for these negotiations to finish. They have Cordero locked up for at least the next 3 yrs so there is no rush at all. Then, if the red sox are bent over a chair looking for a closer, I'd stick it to em asking for WMP, Ellsbury, Hansen and Bowden.[/quote']

 

Yeah the Sox would really accept such a trade. A good closer in the NL for a potential 30+ HR slugger, future closer, "Johnny Damon" comparison center fielder, and a potential top of the rotation starter

[jacksonianmarch]

Yeah the Sox would really accept such a trade. A good closer in the NL for a potential 30+ HR slugger' date=' future closer, "Johnny Damon" comparison center fielder, and a potential top of the rotation starter[/quote']

 

A good closer? You mean a 24 yr old bullpen ace for a large market team who currently has no setup man or closer. Cordero is no chopped liver here, he is the best young closer in baseball.

[ORS]

A good closer? You mean a 24 yr old bullpen ace for a large market team who currently has no setup man or closer. Cordero is no chopped liver here' date=' he is the best young closer in baseball.[/quote']

Huston Street.

[TheKilo]

A good closer? You mean a 24 yr old bullpen ace for a large market team who currently has no setup man or closer. Cordero is no chopped liver here' date=' he is the best young closer in baseball.[/quote']

 

 

 

Cordero is good, but like many have said he plays in a pitcher's park in the National League.

 

Can he translate his success to the AL east? Maybe. But it's not worth that package.

[jacksonianmarch]

Huston Street.

 

They are both about the same, I just like Cordero better. Cordero is one yr older, hasbeen a closer for half a yr more than Street and has 30 more saves than him. Both have blown a significant amount though, but Cordero's % is better.

[jacksonianmarch]

Cordero is good, but like many have said he plays in a pitcher's park in the National League.

 

Can he translate his success to the AL east? Maybe. But it's not worth that package.

 

that is one thing that I find can translate rather well. A closer is not affected by the AL to NL switch as much because no closer will ever face a pitcher in a save situation. So he avoids the inherent advantage that AL hitting teams have.

[TheKilo]

that is one thing that I find can translate rather well. A closer is not affected by the AL to NL switch as much because no closer will ever face a pitcher in a save situation. So he avoids the inherent advantage that AL hitting teams have.

 

Yeah, but I'd have to think the offenses in the AL East are slightly better than those in the NL.

 

Just look at last league's interleague play and see how dominant the AL was.

[riverside sluggers]

A good closer? You mean a 24 yr old bullpen ace for a large market team who currently has no setup man or closer. Cordero is no chopped liver here' date=' he is the best young closer in baseball.[/quote']

 

Are you actually trying to win the argument that the Sox would throw a desperate package like the one you thought up?

[jacksonianmarch]

Are you actually trying to win the argument that the Sox would throw a desperate package like the one you thought up?

 

oh no. I think the sox need to add more than just wimp and a prospect.

[TheKilo]

oh no. I think the sox need to add more than just wimp and a prospect.

 

lol @ wimp, man thats hilarious.

 

And yes, it'll cost more than WMP and a 'spect unless that prospect's last name is Ellsbury.

[TheKilo]

You can see if a kid is special early on' date=' as far as having a special skill that someone else doesnt possess. There are plenty of good players out there that dont do anthing spectacular, but do multiple things well. You see a guy like Milledge come up in NY, and he has a rocket for an arm, runs like a gazelle and is strong like an ox. That kid is special. Pedroia has a bat with little pop, a noodle arm, and no range. But if he can field the balls hit to him well and square the ball up at the plate while showing decent patience, then he can be a solid 2b. There is just nothing about his game that makes you say wow over.[/quote']

 

lol

[KeepTheFaith1229]

milledge > pedroia

[BigPapiEnFuego]

What is with bumping 2 2 year old topics?

[Thumper]

milledge > pedroia

 

 

If you're serious...

 

Milledge

[table=Milledge]Avg|HR|RBI|OBP|SLG|OPS

.260|12|46|.323|.400|.690[/table]

 

Pedroia

[table=Pedroia]Avg|HR|RBI|OBP|SLG|OPS

.318|14|64|.363|.479|.561[/table]

 

Milledge beats Pedroia only in the OPS department...

[CrespoBlows]

If you're serious...

 

Milledge

[table=Milledge]Avg|HR|RBI|OBP|SLG|OPS

.260|12|46|.323|.400|.690[/table]

 

Pedroia

[table=Pedroia]Avg|HR|RBI|OBP|SLG|OPS

.318|14|64|.363|.479|.561[/table]

 

Milledge beats Pedroia only in the OPS department...

 

.323 + .400 = .723

 

.363 + .479 = .842

[Thumper]

.323 + .400 = .723

 

.363 + .479 = .842

 

You'll have to forgive me...

 

I was on B-R and instead of just doing the math right there I looked down for the quick answer.

 

As to my stupidity. I jotted down their 2006 OPSs.

 

Are you honestly surprised?

[Soxfan1]

Hello

[Thumper]

Hello

 

That bored?