Manny Thread

[jacksonianmarch]

The Mets will have no place to put Manny. Alou and Beltran are LF and CF. They still have Shawn Green and Manny cannot play rf.

[jacksonianmarch]

ESPN insider was free to view this weekend,and all it said was the Sox where trying to get Texas owner warm to the idea of a manny trade again. Mark Texiera would be an excellent pick up but the only problem is hes gonna be a FA soon either after 07 or 08 and wants a 100 million dollar deal. As the spending has gone this winter so far he might just get more! TEX would be a great addition to the lineup, switch hitting power guy is nice. He?s not as proven as Manny tho so if he was to come to BOS I see him hitting 3rd with Papi hitting 4th. But if you take away Manny, there just gonna walk Papi everytime a big situation comes up. If you take away Manny your not only losing Manny?s number but your cutting down Papi?s too. Papi is an elite hitter with Manny, without Manny he will lead the league with walks.

 

And getting Tejada is dumb. He?s a DH waiting to happen. His range is about half of what it was in OAK.

 

again, there is NO WAY the rangers give up Teixeira for Manny, let alone Young as well. Teixeira is young, switch hitting, and a gold glover. Stop dreaming.

[CrespoBlows]

Why do we want to get rid of Manny I mean come on:angry:

 

Why?

 

Manny wants to leave the Red Sox.

[Gom]

The Mets will have no place to put Manny. Alou and Beltran are LF and CF. They still have Shawn Green and Manny cannot play rf.

 

Umm...Shawn Green? LOL! Come on, you can't be serious. Move Alou to RF, or Manny. It's not like either of them will be good at either position. Beltran makes up for both of them.

 

Think about it...if Manny does end up on the Mets, he will end feeling like that kid who played CF in the original Bad News Bears movie.

[Peters34]

Do you think that the sox need to sign Loretta back

I think that we really do

[Cocos Disciples]

No, we have Pedroia.

[Peters34]

Manny is one of the best right handed hitters i dont think we should trade him

Manny and Ortiz is the best 1 2 punch

just think if we bat Ortiz and Willy Mo

they will walk Ortiz and then pitch to Willy Mo

[schillingouttheks]

I have a migraine.

[kreinbihl34]

Yes I know I might catch hell for doing this. I do not want to see Manny traded, as like most of you. Though I want to know what would be the best deal the Sox could get in your mind. Not just a pipe dream, but an actual trade that could possibly happen. Would it be around prospects or maybe MLB talent. I'm just trying to see what value Manny has to us and the difference it is to the Yankee fans.

[Soxfan1]

No one in their right mind wants him traded. Papi's numbers will fall big time without manny.

[Soxfan1]

Someone merge this with the manny to the rangers thread and renmae it "Manny on the move"

[Soxfan1]

Rangers, Red Sox discussing Manny

Nov 17 - The Red Sox are talking to the Rangers about a possible deal for Manny Ramirez, ESPN The Magazine's Buster Olney reports. Texas is looking for a bat to help bolster its lineup, in an offseason in which they might lose Carlos Lee, Mark DeRosa and Gary Matthews Jr.

[TheKilo]

 

 

Wow. Week and a half late.

[Mr Crunchy]

this is documented and official

buster olney takes it eagerly in the ass then to his mouth

 

these fukin guys could count their balls 10xs and come up with a different figure on each count

[Soxfan1]

s***, I c+p'd the wrong one.

 

The Red Sox and Giants have reportedly discussed a Manny Ramirez deal, including possible three-way scenarios.

 

Other than Matt Cain, who is almost certainly not available, the Giants don't have a lot that the Red Sox are going to want. Omar Vizquel isn't someone they're likely to move if they intend to try to contend next year, and there's no sense trading for Manny if they want to rebuild. Even in a three-team deal, it's hard to see what the Giants have to part with that's worth Ramirez.

[Beckett95]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2677627

 

can we please just not trade Manny unless we can somehow get equal value in return (which will never happen)

[NateGrey]

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Updated: Nov. 27, 2006, 3:36 PM ET

MLB official: Ramirez might

be dealt by Saturday

By Buster Olney

ESPN The Magazine

 

 

The Red Sox are aggressively shopping outfielder Manny Ramirez now, according to major league sources, at a time when the slugger's trade value has peaked, and there is a sense among some executives that their trade talks are gaining momentum.

 

Manny Ramirez Left Field

Boston Red Sox

 

Profile 2006 SEASON STATISTICS GM HR RBI R OBP AVG 130 35 102 79 .439 .321

 

"I wouldn't be shocked if the Red Sox traded him by Saturday," says one big league official.

 

By Saturday, Boston's negotiations with free agent outfielder J.D. Drew are expected to finish officially with a multiyear agreement. At that point, Boston will be in better position to trade Ramirez, who has driven in more than 100 runs in each of his six years with the Red Sox, and in 11 of the last 12 seasons. Ramirez has been an extraordinary producer of runs for Boston, and an equally extraordinary producer of melodrama. He has asked for trades repeatedly, has often played at something less than full speed, and at the end of the 2006 season, there was some question about whether he made a full effort to play with a sore knee.

 

Among the teams involved in the conversations:

 

? The San Francisco Giants, who might have to involve a third team to become a serious player in this market, or perhaps swallow some of Boston's worst contracts, like that of pitcher Matt Clement.

 

? The San Diego Padres, who can build a deal around reliever Scott Linebrink.

 

? The Dodgers, who are starved for power hitters, loaded with prospects and could probably offer the best possible package of youngsters, from third baseman Andy LaRoche to pitcher Chad Billingsley to outfielder Matt Kemp.

 

? The Rangers have had talks about Ramirez, but as recently as last week, the Red Sox still preferred to talk about a swap of shortstop Michael Young for Ramirez -- a deal that almost certainly won't happen.

 

The Orioles have spoken with the Red Sox about Ramirez recently, but their conversations hadn't advanced in recent days. The Guardians and Red Sox talked last week, but those conversations are dead; the cost in salary and prospects were simply too high for the Guardians. The Angels and Red Sox had talked in the past about a Manny deal, but those conversations have apparently ended.

 

Ramirez has 10-and-5 rights and can veto any deal, so the team working on a trade involving him would have to negotiate a settlement with Ramirez to get him to accept the swap.

 

Executives with other teams say that in order to move Ramirez, Boston will have to come to grips with the idea that they will not get back major league talent equal to that of Ramirez; rather, they might have to settle for a deal much like the Gary Sheffield trade the Yankees made early in November, when they got three pitching prospects from Detroit. There are indications now that Boston's trade demands for Ramirez are dropping, to facilitate a deal. "They seem motivated to move him," said an AL official. Ramirez signed an eight-year, $160 million deal with Boston after the 2000 season, and his contract was considered all but untradeable as recently as six months ago because of an annual salary that approaches $20 million; the Red Sox placed him on waivers after the 2003 season, and nobody was willing to even take him even for free at that time.

 

But the recent salary explosion -- Alfonso Soriano's $136 million deal, Carlos Lee's $100 million contract -- has cast Ramirez and his salary in a different light.

 

If the Red Sox complete a Ramirez trade, there would be an enormous hole in the Boston lineup. But it may be that the Red Sox have other plans in the works if they gain contractual flexibility with a Ramirez deal, and with the addition of Drew and possible addition of Julio Lugo at shortstop, they might feel like they will still have a deep lineup.

 

A Ramirez trade may also have an enormous impact on No. 3 hitter David Ortiz. "That guy will draw about 200 walks next year without Manny hitting behind him," said one scout. "I don't care who it is who bats fourth instead of Manny -- J.D. Drew, or Wily Mo Pena, whoever -- he won't be as dangerous as Manny was, because Manny can hit good pitching."

 

Buster Olney is a senior writer at ESPN The Magazine.

 

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http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2677627

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[TheKilo]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2677627

 

can we please just not trade Manny unless we can somehow get equal value in return (which will never happen)

 

The only deal i like there is the Dodgers one.

 

Not "like", but would understand.

[NateGrey]

..

 

Updated: Nov. 27, 2006, 3:36 PM ET

MLB official: Ramirez might

be dealt by Saturday

By Buster Olney

ESPN The Magazine

 

 

The Red Sox are aggressively shopping outfielder Manny Ramirez now, according to major league sources, at a time when the slugger's trade value has peaked, and there is a sense among some executives that their trade talks are gaining momentum.

 

Manny Ramirez Left Field

Boston Red Sox

 

Profile 2006 SEASON STATISTICS GM HR RBI R OBP AVG 130 35 102 79 .439 .321

 

"I wouldn't be shocked if the Red Sox traded him by Saturday," says one big league official.

 

By Saturday, Boston's negotiations with free agent outfielder J.D. Drew are expected to finish officially with a multiyear agreement. At that point, Boston will be in better position to trade Ramirez, who has driven in more than 100 runs in each of his six years with the Red Sox, and in 11 of the last 12 seasons. Ramirez has been an extraordinary producer of runs for Boston, and an equally extraordinary producer of melodrama. He has asked for trades repeatedly, has often played at something less than full speed, and at the end of the 2006 season, there was some question about whether he made a full effort to play with a sore knee.

 

Among the teams involved in the conversations:

 

? The San Francisco Giants, who might have to involve a third team to become a serious player in this market, or perhaps swallow some of Boston's worst contracts, like that of pitcher Matt Clement.

 

? The San Diego Padres, who can build a deal around reliever Scott Linebrink.

 

? The Dodgers, who are starved for power hitters, loaded with prospects and could probably offer the best possible package of youngsters, from third baseman Andy LaRoche to pitcher Chad Billingsley to outfielder Matt Kemp.

 

? The Rangers have had talks about Ramirez, but as recently as last week, the Red Sox still preferred to talk about a swap of shortstop Michael Young for Ramirez -- a deal that almost certainly won't happen.

 

The Orioles have spoken with the Red Sox about Ramirez recently, but their conversations hadn't advanced in recent days. The Guardians and Red Sox talked last week, but those conversations are dead; the cost in salary and prospects were simply too high for the Guardians. The Angels and Red Sox had talked in the past about a Manny deal, but those conversations have apparently ended.

 

Ramirez has 10-and-5 rights and can veto any deal, so the team working on a trade involving him would have to negotiate a settlement with Ramirez to get him to accept the swap.

 

Executives with other teams say that in order to move Ramirez, Boston will have to come to grips with the idea that they will not get back major league talent equal to that of Ramirez; rather, they might have to settle for a deal much like the Gary Sheffield trade the Yankees made early in November, when they got three pitching prospects from Detroit. There are indications now that Boston's trade demands for Ramirez are dropping, to facilitate a deal. "They seem motivated to move him," said an AL official. Ramirez signed an eight-year, $160 million deal with Boston after the 2000 season, and his contract was considered all but untradeable as recently as six months ago because of an annual salary that approaches $20 million; the Red Sox placed him on waivers after the 2003 season, and nobody was willing to even take him even for free at that time.

 

But the recent salary explosion -- Alfonso Soriano's $136 million deal, Carlos Lee's $100 million contract -- has cast Ramirez and his salary in a different light.

 

If the Red Sox complete a Ramirez trade, there would be an enormous hole in the Boston lineup. But it may be that the Red Sox have other plans in the works if they gain contractual flexibility with a Ramirez deal, and with the addition of Drew and possible addition of Julio Lugo at shortstop, they might feel like they will still have a deep lineup.

 

A Ramirez trade may also have an enormous impact on No. 3 hitter David Ortiz. "That guy will draw about 200 walks next year without Manny hitting behind him," said one scout. "I don't care who it is who bats fourth instead of Manny -- J.D. Drew, or Wily Mo Pena, whoever -- he won't be as dangerous as Manny was, because Manny can hit good pitching."

 

Buster Olney is a senior writer at ESPN The Magazine.

 

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http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2677627

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[Beckett95]

the one team in that ESPN article that interests me is the Dodgerss. I seriosuly doubt they'd be up for a Manny trade but they have some good prospects that could be brought back.

 

Billingsley

Eithier

Broxton

Laroche

Kemp

Loney

[Papelbon58]

i agree, I would take Billingsly and Kemp, the main guys in Olney's article for Manny

 

With the Padres: Linebrink, Dave Roberts and a prospect would do it

[jsinger121]

i agree, I would take Billingsly and Kemp, the main guys in Olney's article for Manny

 

With the Padres: Linebrink, Dave Roberts and a prospect would do it

 

Roberts is a FA. Linebrink headlining a manny deal would be awful. The Pads also have a weak farm system.

[Cocos Disciples]

Yeah...he might...

[Rdsxmbnt]

I dont see much with SD and SF. SF has like nothing except Matt Cain, without him I dont see how a deal gets done. SD would have to give a lot more than Linebrink. Adrian Gonzalez, Merideth are interesting guys also along with Peavy obviously. The Dodgers have a lot to offer, I would love to get Billingsby, but if you cant get him they have Loney, LaRoche, Broxton, Elbert and Kemp.

[Beckett95]

I dont want to see Manny traded at all, but if he does, I hope we see Billingsley, Broxton and LaRoche/Kemp come back in return

[Anuj09]

I wouldnt mind Andre Ether as a part of the deal

[Cityofchampions33]

I like Peavy, Linebrink, someone else for Manny as a second option behind the Dodgers deal

[Beckett95]

I like Peavy' date=' Linebrink, someone else for Manny as a second option behind the Dodgers deal[/quote']

 

not a bad idea, but i dont think the Padres would really be interested

 

IF ANY DEAL IS MADE...

 

I like Broxton, Kemp and Billingsley for Manny

 

Could Billingsley be used in the rotation right away (moving wake to the pen)

Could Broxton possiblly be used as our closer (put up damn good numbers last year)

 

Linebrink(30)= 75.2 IP, 0.78 GO/AO, 1.22 WHIP, .243 AVG, 3.09 K/BB, 8.09 K/9, 7.19 H/9, 3.57 ERA

Broxton(22)= 76.1 IP, 0.94 GO/AO, 1.23 WHIP, .216 AVG, 2.94 K/BB, 11.45 K/9, 8.33 H/9, 2.59 ERA

[Bosoxwest]

One of the big issues around trading Manny is protecting Papi. Now, I am not advocating this, because he is a cheating douche, but there is one bat on the market that could protect Ortiz if Manny is traded, and that is Barry Bonds (yes, he's LHH, it shouldn't really matter). I haven't lived in Boston for a few years, but can I still assume the Fenway Faithful would rather see Papi walk 200 times than see Bonds in a Sox uniform, and would they throw batteries at Bonds every game? Or would we stomach the poison for a serious run during Schill's last year?

 

I know I shouldn't even bring this up, and let's try to keep it civilized, but I'm curious to see if there are any Machievellian fans out there. One could argue that since the Yanks have Giambi we're owed a PED-er. But it would cost the Nation's pride, which I suspect most of us think is too high a price, especially after the Matsuzaka signing. Is there anyone out there who would take Bonds for a year?

[TheKilo]

 

With the Padres: Linebrink, Dave Roberts and a prospect would do it

 

 

Are you f***ing serious?