Gonzalez vs Lugo

[pudge]

You do realize that you basically only post in response to something that a Yankee fan said, trying to shove dirt back in their faces. Have you ANYTHING else to say? For the record, Optimist has contributed more in one day than you have in your time here.

 

Sorry for re-directing the thread, but he was starting to annoy me. Is it just me or does anyone else notice this about "pudge?" Maybe I'm crazy. I don't know. Whatever.

 

Back to Lugo vs. Gonzo.

Im glad you were able to get that off your chest .I dont think im the only one who finds optimist and gom annoying .

[schillingouttheks]

Im glad you were able to get that off your chest .I dont think im the only one who finds optimist and gom annoying .

 

I didn't say you were the only one. I said that the ONLY things you post have nothing to do with baseball except for the fact that you're trying to throw dirt back into their faces. I wouldn't hold it against you if you contributed rational ideas every now and then instead of your constant backlashings against Optimist and Gom.

 

Ok, back to the thread for real this time.

[pudge]

I didn't say you were the only one. I said that the ONLY things you post have nothing to do with baseball except for the fact that you're trying to throw dirt back into their faces. I wouldn't hold it against you if you contributed rational ideas every now and then instead of your constant backlashings against Optimist and Gom.

 

Ok, back to the thread for real this time.

That would be a good point if it was true.I have only responded to gom and optimist once .And that is the last time i will explain myself to you .If you find me annoying i suggest putting me on your ignore list .As far as what is a rational idea i guess that is up to the individual.Now back to the thread .

[scaffolds]

Defense wise Jeter can't shines Gonzalez shoes.

[scaffolds]

Defense wise Alex Gonzalez has been the ML best shortstop since Ozzie the wizard.

[pudge]

Defense wise Alex Gonzalez has been the ML best shortstop since Ozzie the wizard.

I agree with you 100 percent .It doesnt make any sense to let him walk .

[TheKilo]

I agree with you 100 percent .It doesnt make any sense to let him walk .

 

The difference in Agon's and Lugo's offense > the difference in their defense.

[Bosoxwest]

The difference in Agon's and Lugo's offense > the difference in their defense.

 

But, is that difference > the difference in their price? That's the big question for me.

[scaffolds]

With Alex Gonzalez signing signing with the Reds makes this thread mute. In my opinion it was a big time mistake by Theo and the Sox front office in not resigning Gonzalez.

[TheKilo]

With Alex Gonzalez signing signing with the Reds makes this thread mute. In my opinion it was a big time mistake by Theo and the Sox front office in not resigning Gonzalez.

 

 

Blah blah blah black hole in the lineup blah blah blah good defense isnt worth that much blah blah blah he has good hands but his range is average blah blah blah

[scaffolds]

When you post that good defense isn't worthed that much, you lost all of you credibility.

[jsinger121]

Good defense no offense shortstops are not worth 5 million plus a year especially in the American League.

[BSN07]

Yes AGON was great def. But like JSinger said, without the bat is not worth 5 million a year in the AL.

[jacksonianmarch]

Here is the stressing part, though. AGon is a whole lot better than Cora, I think we can all agree on that. Pedroia is really not a major league shortstop. That really only leaves the sox with Lugo or having a yr of Pedroia and Cora in the MI. That is scary. Lugo is being courted by the Mets, the Cubs (who have outspent everyone this offseason), and the sox as well as as many as 6 more teams. He may earn a Renteria-esque deal. But his best asset is his speed and at 31 (which I believe he is) he will most certainly slow down. That leaves you with a guy who will get 10-12 mil for 4 yrs who may be very bad by the 2nd yr of that contract. Remember, this isnt Damon here. Lugo really has had only 1.5 good seasons, and those coincided with a lot of SBs and infield hits. Take those away and he is AGon without the defense.

[TheKilo]

Good defense no offense shortstops are not worth 5 million plus a year especially in the American League.

 

 

BINGO.

[scaffolds]

So Lugo with a decent bat (no very good or great bat) and a average defense is worthed 8-10 millions. LOL......

[BSN07]

The way the market is probably. Theo is gonna have to get creative.

[jsinger121]

So Lugo with a decent bat (no very good or great bat) and a average defense is worthed 8-10 millions. LOL......

 

Lugo's bat is significantly greater than that of Gonzalez and his defense is good enough. Gonzalez is not good enough to play in the American League where Shortstop is considered an offensive position.

[edge4414]

So Lugo with a decent bat (no very good or great bat) and a average defense is worthed 8-10 millions. LOL......

 

I Love Gozalez's defense but the joke is him at the plate. Lugo is a much better all around player.

[scaffolds]

The way the market is probably. Theo is gonna have to get creative.

 

Unless they trade for Tejada or perhaps or Michael Young and neither is as good with the glove as Gonzalez is, they may be stuck with Lugo and way over pay him, but over pay for Lugo and the DL man (Drew) is way bad business. If they sign Lugo they need to stay away from Drew and give Wily Mo a chance in RF.

[edge4414]

Unless they trade for Tejada or perhaps or Michael Young and neither is as good with the glove as Gonzalez is' date=' they may be stuck with Lugo and way over pay him, but over pay for Lugo and the DL man (Drew) is way bad business. If they sign Lugo they need to stay away from Drew and give Wily Mo a chance in RF.[/quote']

 

Gonzalez over Lugo and WMP over Drew? Makes no sense to me. In one area you talk about defense, granted it is the important SS pos. but then you tout someone who might be the worst defensive OF in MLB over an excellent Defensive RF who can also hit.

[BSN07]

Yes but with Matthews JR signing for 50 million, Drew may price himself out of BOS.

[edge4414]

Yes but with Matthews JR signing for 50 million' date=' Drew may price himself out of BOS.[/quote']

 

The length of the contracts are a bigger problem than the price.

[TheKilo]

Unless they trade for Tejada or perhaps or Michael Young and neither is as good with the glove as Gonzalez is' date=' they may be stuck with Lugo and way over pay him, but over pay for Lugo and the DL man (Drew) is way bad business. If they sign Lugo they need to stay away from Drew and give Wily Mo a chance in RF.[/quote']

 

 

 

I think with the way the market is this offseason signing Lugo for 8 million wouldn't be terrible.

 

It's not like we commited tens of millions to Frank Thomas or Gary Matthews, Jr.

 

I feel Drew isn't coming to Boston anymore...WMP will get his shot. If Matthews can get $50 mil, then Drew can easily get 60.

[scaffolds]

Gonzalez over Lugo and WMP over Drew? Makes no sense to me. In one area you talk about defense' date=' granted it is the important SS pos. but then you tout someone who might be the worst defensive OF in MLB over an excellent Defensive RF who can also hit.[/quote']

 

First of all shortstop is a defensive position, YOU NEED DEFENSE FIRST and if you get great defense offense become secondary, RF is an offensive position where you need production first, a great dedender would be great but isn't mandatory, in addition you can't play great defense if you are in the DL and Drew is a good hitter, but is far from a great one and he doesn't stay in the field enough. Its well known that RF in Fenway is one of hardest RF in the ML to play and sure Pena had some issues in RF in his first year in Boston, but who should said that he can't play playable defense in 2007. In 2004 Sox's fans complained about Renteria and his 30 errors, got news for anyone Renteria is a better defensive SS than Lugo so don't complain when because of his errors it will cost the Sox a bunch of games. if the Red Sox had a better hitter at first base they wouldn't need that extra hitter at SS.

[BSN07]

Agreed, Sign lugo for a couple years and look for that next top prospect at SS( we have a good supply of young good looking arms now, look for a SS in the 1st round this time) in the draft or someone elses farm system and trade for them. Lugo can play while a young SS gets groomed in the minors

[BSN07]

But with AGON off the market theres no real def. savvy SS left. Sign Lugo for his bat, his D isn't horrific, and now with Drew most likely will be too much, and the "WMP experience" begins in RF. It was said he was trade bait but I don't think he will be now.

[jsinger121]

In the American League offense comes before defense.

[rician blast]

if the Red Sox had a better hitter at first base they wouldn't need that extra hitter at SS.

 

this is a good point...one that could be extended to 3B as well...I know Lowell had a decent year but he no longer hits like the prototypical corner infielder. if the Sox had another power bat (one that doesn't K 150+ times a year) at 3b or 1b, the SS situation becomes less of an issue, and actually would probably have already been resolved...by retaining Gonzo.

[Bosoxwest]

Since Gonzo is in fact gonzo, this thread should probably be renamed Lugo vs. Stopgap, or Lugo vs. Options?....

 

After Lugo the best free agent shortstops are Counsell and Clayton, neither of whom should be starting for the Sox, although Counsell is the lesser of the two evils. Either Theo over pays for Lugo, or as bsn07 stated, he's gonna have to get creative.