starting lineup

[tony822702]

starting lineup of the New York Yankees

 

1-CF damon

2-SS Jeter

3-RF Abreu

4-DH Matsui

5-1b Giambi

6-2nd Cano

7-C Posada

8-LF Milky

9-3b ERIC DUNCAN

 

AROD GONE,Sheff is gone, bernie is gone, dotel is gone,moose(hate to say it) gone, pavano and wright also gone, randy will go to the retirement home where he becomes(hopefully), fransworth gone,lidle(RIP)

 

this is just some of the changes the NYY are going to have to do this offseason if they ever want to even think about contending in the WS in 07

[ORS]

What do we need to do to get this guy in charge in NY? That would be the best thing possible for the Red Sox.

 

Sure, dump the most talented player because of a bad postseason series. While you are at it, start your 4th OF. And, to top it off, let a kid who more than likely needs a 3rd trip to AA be the starting 3B. I love it. Too bad it won't come true.

[Jon_Papelboner]

What do we need to do to get this guy in charge in NY? That would be the best thing possible for the Red Sox.

 

Sure, dump the most talented player because of a bad postseason series. While you are at it, start your 4th OF. And, to top it off, let a kid who more than likely needs a 3rd trip to AA be the starting 3B. I love it. Too bad it won't come true.

 

3 bad postseason series. Why have someone on your team that you can't win with? I agree with the thread starter that he has to go, but Duncan is not the answer.

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3 bad postseason series. Why have someone on your team that you can't win with? I agree with the thread starter that he has to go' date=' but Duncan is not the answer.[/quote']

 

I just don't think its possible to prove that a consistent .290, 30, 125 SS doesn't help his team win. Even if he chokes in nearly every playoff at bat, the point is that he helped his team get there. The Yankees should dump Sheffield, RJ and Mussina. They can give up on A-Rod, but I will be very happy if they do. Despite his suckitude, A-Rod still makes me nervous when he hits, just like Giambi, just like Matsui, just like Jeter.

[ORS]

3 bad postseason series. Why have someone on your team that you can't win with? I agree with the thread starter that he has to go' date=' but Duncan is not the answer.[/quote']

So what if it's 3 bad series, and its actually more like 2 bad series and 4 bad games in '04, he's still the most talented player on the team. Personally, I hope like hell they get rid of him because that will make the Sox chances of winning the division that much greater. He's a trancendent talent, and you want to trade him in a panic move? If we can get tweedle-dee to be the GM, can we get your tweedle-dumbass to be in charge of scouting?

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starting lineup of the New York Yankees

 

1-CF damon

2-SS Jeter

3-RF Abreu

4-DH Matsui

5-1b Giambi

6-2nd Cano

7-C Posada

8-LF Milky

9-3b ERIC DUNCAN

 

AROD GONE,Sheff is gone, bernie is gone, dotel is gone,moose(hate to say it) gone, pavano and wright also gone, randy will go to the retirement home where he becomes(hopefully), fransworth gone,lidle(RIP)

 

this is just some of the changes the NYY are going to have to do this offseason if they ever want to even think about contending in the WS in 07

I agree that Sheffield should be gone. RJ isn't going anywhere. Moose shouldnt go anywhere. he definately doesnt deserve to have his option picked up, but if we can bring him back at a greatly reduced salary, then we have to do it. I mean, he's been all of our stability in the rotation since 2004. granted, he's struggled with a handful of injuries and bad droughts...but he's done pretty much, for the most part, a very good job since being forced to anchor this rotation.

 

As for Duncan, nobody loves him more than I do, but he definately isnt ready to start out the 2007 season as the starting third baseman for the New York Yankees.

 

As for Bernie, I dont mind bringing him back. He's done too much for this organization and as far as i'm concerned he should be able to play here until he retires. And lets face it, it's not like hes turned into a horrible player. Before Abreu came and Bernie was platooning with the likes of Aaron Guiel and Bubba Crosby, he was playing pretty well.

[CrespoBlows]

I would have:

 

1. Damon

2. Jeter

3. Bonds

4. Rodriguez

5. Giambi

6. Abreu

7. Matsui

8. Posada

9. Cano

 

My team would rule.

 

But, I hope the Yankees do exactly what the thread starter suggested, that would rule.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

If your going to trade A-Rod make sure you get back unquestioned value. I liked your Bonds idea Crespo. I love how all of the fans say they dont want him on their team but the second he hits a HR in a game there will be no complaints. The only problem with having Bonds on the Yankees is they have too many DH's. I'd like to move Giambi over to DH and get a 1st basemen.

[Jon_Papelboner]

So what if it's 3 bad series' date=' and its actually more like 2 bad series and 4 bad games in '04, he's still the most talented player on the team. Personally, I hope like hell they get rid of him because that will make the Sox chances of winning the division that much greater. He's a trancendent talent, and you want to trade him in a panic move? If we can get tweedle-dee to be the GM, can we get your tweedle-dumbass to be in charge of scouting?[/quote']

So what? That's where you win. It's kind of a big deal. Now if he were to have 3 bad junes or something then yes, so what? But post season series are just a little more important than any month in the regular season. Just a little bit.

[Jon_Papelboner]

If your going to trade A-Rod make sure you get back unquestioned value. I liked your Bonds idea Crespo. I love how all of the fans say they dont want him on their team but the second he hits a HR in a game there will be no complaints. The only problem with having Bonds on the Yankees is they have too many DH's. I'd like to move Giambi over to DH and get a 1st basemen.

 

A rod for Zambrano and Ramirez. Or just Zambrano, either way, Zambrano has to be going to us.

[jacksonianmarch]

ARod should be dealt this offseason. Right now, he can still be a franchise SS and should command a top flight, young pitcher. If they wait another yr, he wont be able to.

[ORS]

So what? That's where you win. It's kind of a big deal. Now if he were to have 3 bad junes or something then yes' date=' so what? But post season series are just a little more important than any month in the regular season. Just a little bit.[/quote']

Really. October baseball is more important than June baseball? Thanks for that revelation. People have bad games/series/weeks. Here's a news flash, they bounce back, especially really good players. ARod has a career .723 OPS in the LDS. Guess what he's done in the LCS? How about a 1.024. Maybe it's just the LDS, if he could only get beyond that? Sounds silly, right? That's because it is.

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Really. October baseball is more important than June baseball? Thanks for that revelation. People have bad games/series/weeks. Here's a news flash' date=' they bounce back, especially really good players. ARod has a career .723 OPS in the LDS. Guess what he's done in the LCS? How about a 1.024. Maybe it's just the LDS, if he could only get beyond that? Sounds silly, right? That's because it is.[/quote']

This is nothing against you ORS, just something I wanted to point out.

 

It's funny how a bunch of people, especially Red Sox fans, make fun of A-Rod when he goes through those stretches and insist that he'll never be good again. Or if he's in a slump,criticize him or something. The here you are defending his slumps and bad stretches. Now i'm not saying anything about you personally, but I just think it's funny how some people have the ability to realize that players are humans and go through slides where they really slump, or maybe overproduce. Some people can't comprehend that.

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Really. October baseball is more important than June baseball? Thanks for that revelation. People have bad games/series/weeks. Here's a news flash' date=' they bounce back, especially really good players. ARod has a career .723 OPS in the LDS. Guess what he's done in the LCS? How about a 1.024. Maybe it's just the LDS, if he could only get beyond that? Sounds silly, right? That's because it is.[/quote']

 

Yep. A few years back there was a player who entered the playoffs as a notorious "playoff failure" who never seemed to come through in the "clutch" despite multiple chances. His name was Manny Ramirez and he went on to win at least one series MVP, and he may have won the ALDS MVP as well in 04. Now he's seen as a "clutch" performer for sure.

 

I'm fine with A-Rod leaving, regressing to the mean, and being a .900-1.000 OPS guy in the playoffs for the rest of his career.

[ORS]

This is nothing against you ORS, just something I wanted to point out.

 

It's funny how a bunch of people, especially Red Sox fans, make fun of A-Rod when he goes through those stretches and insist that he'll never be good again. Or if he's in a slump,criticize him or something. The here you are defending his slumps and bad stretches. Now i'm not saying anything about you personally, but I just think it's funny how some people have the ability to realize that players are humans and go through slides where they really slump, or maybe overproduce. Some people can't comprehend that.

I agree. Many people are only able to see what they want to be true.

 

I'll admit, I'll crack on ARod about his failures as a Yankee, but's only because I'm happy with the result. And, I'll be critical of how he handles it. But, I won't confuse those things into thinking that he isn't a mega-talent.

[schillingouttheks]

This is nothing against you ORS, just something I wanted to point out.

 

It's funny how a bunch of people, especially Red Sox fans, make fun of A-Rod when he goes through those stretches and insist that he'll never be good again. Or if he's in a slump,criticize him or something. The here you are defending his slumps and bad stretches. Now i'm not saying anything about you personally, but I just think it's funny how some people have the ability to realize that players are humans and go through slides where they really slump, or maybe overproduce. Some people can't comprehend that.

 

A-Rods failures in clutch situations WHILE IN NEW YORK isn't merely a "slump." It's habit. I'm damn sure that he's probably the best player in baseball. When you have league average numbers in a down year, you're pretty damn good. We make fun of him when he goes through these failures because we know of his talent, and we know what type of player he is. It just never fails to humor us when he can't play like that in the spots where he needs to most. Some people just can't handle the pressure of being on the big stage, and A-Rod obviously can't. If he moved out of New York to another team, I'm sure we'd see him tearing it up again.

 

And, like ORS said, we're all aware of A-Rod's mega-talent. And, like I said, it's humorous when he fails to play like one in the spots where he needs to.

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Yeah, its great when A-Rod chokes. I'm just not willing to admit that he's somehow metaphysically incapable of getting a hit in a playoff game or on the "big stage". The guy has tremendous hand-eye coordination, he's had plenty of big hits for the Yankees, and he's done well in the playoffs for the Mariners back in the day.

 

I'm really just waiting for the other shoe to drop and would prefer to see it drop while he's on another team.

[Jon_Papelboner]

Really. October baseball is more important than June baseball? Thanks for that revelation. People have bad games/series/weeks. Here's a news flash' date=' they bounce back, especially really good players. ARod has a career .723 OPS in the LDS. Guess what he's done in the LCS? How about a 1.024. Maybe it's just the LDS, if he could only get beyond that? Sounds silly, right? That's because it is.[/quote']

 

LOL, just stop with all this ********. You know he sucks in the post season, I know he sucks in the post season, we all know he sucks in the post season. Just let it go. Why you're defending a yankee is beyond my mental capacities.

[ORS]

LOL' date=' just stop with all this ********. You know he sucks in the post season, I know he sucks in the post season, we all know he sucks in the post season. Just let it go. Why you're defending a yankee is beyond my mental capacities.

Shocking.

[rician blast]

This is nothing against you ORS, just something I wanted to point out.

 

It's funny how a bunch of people, especially Red Sox fans, make fun of A-Rod when he goes through those stretches and insist that he'll never be good again. Or if he's in a slump,criticize him or something. The here you are defending his slumps and bad stretches. Now i'm not saying anything about you personally, but I just think it's funny how some people have the ability to realize that players are humans and go through slides where they really slump, or maybe overproduce. Some people can't comprehend that.

 

:wtf:

Huh? Have I been imagining things? All this time I thought it was the YANKEE fans that were all over ARod, forgot that he was recently an MVP, viewed him as a pariah to the team and were practically running him out of the stadium and the town!

[ARod2212]

I'm tired of everyone being an expert on why A-Rod has had problems. Just leave the guy alone and let him play the damn game. Trading him would be incredibly stupid.

 

You know why the Yankees lost? They couldn't pitch. Wright and Johnson are not going to win you 'must have' games.

 

They also lost because the whole lineup disappeared.

 

Giambi hit .125, Damon hit .235, Cano hit .133, Matsui hit .250, Sheffield hit .083, and Bernie and Melky went a combined 0-6. A-Rod could have hit .700, it still doesn't make up for the rest of them. The Yankees were beat by a team that was more prepared, had more intesity and was quite simply better built for the playoffs.

 

Trading A-Rod is not going to help any of those other guys get a hit in a big spot, and it's not going to change the fact that Jaret Wright is not David Cone, and Randy Johnson is not Andy Pettitte.

[a700hitter]

I'm tired of everyone being an expert on why A-Rod has had problems. Just leave the guy alone and let him play the damn game..

Why are you telling us this? Tell it to the NY Press and the booing NY Yankee fans and the Mike and the MadDog. They are the ones that have made this an issue and keep it alive. You should also write a letter to the petty jealous SS of the Yankees who despises ARod so much that whaen asked about the booing curtly answered: "I don't get paid to tell the fans who to boo and who to cheer." That's the supportive Captain Intangibles for you. Write him a letter and tell him to show ARod a little public support. He never will, because he has to be the king of NY.

[rician blast]

...the whole lineup disappeared.

 

 

true...they haven't been seen in the post-season since October 16, 2004

[ARod2212]

Why are you telling us this? Tell it to the NY Press and the booing NY Yankee fans and the Mike and the MadDog. They are the ones that have made this an issue and keep it alive. You should also write a letter to the petty jealous SS of the Yankees who despises ARod so much that whaen asked about the booing curtly answered: "I don't get paid to tell the fans who to boo and who to cheer." That's the supportive Captain Intangibles for you. Write him a letter and tell him to show ARod a little public support. He never will' date=' because he has to be the king of NY.[/quote']

Unfortunately I don't have Jeter's home phone number, Mike and the Mad Dog's address, nor links to the NY Media. This is where I can vent. And since I see the same s*** here as I do in the papers, I can respond to it. Don't want me to criticize it, then don't say it.

[a700hitter]

Unfortunately I don't have Jeter's home phone number' date=' Mike and the Mad Dog's address, nor links to the NY Media. This is where I can vent. And since I see the same s*** here as I do in the papers, I can respond to it. Don't want me to criticize it, then don't say it.[/quote']I don't think ARod reads these Boards so there is no reason to tell us to leave him alone and play. We are also not the one who go to the toilet in the Bronx to boo him, so again I suggest that you direct your comments to Yankee fans. Maybe you should try a Yankee site.

[Gom]

As a Yankee fan, let me tell you this...Arod hasn't "earned" the right to be protected. Secondly, why should anyone at all protect anyone? These are all men. Grow up.

 

I have season tickets to the Yankees, and let me tell you, the crowd cheers everything Arod does positive. We as fans, like you Red Sox fans, are very knowledgeable. We know that an Arod on fire is the BEST chance we have to win. Typically, Arod comes up, tying runs on base, and he gets a rousing cheer. He strikes out, and then gets a resounding boo.

 

If Arod comes up big in the clutch, NY will cheer him. The reason he gets booed is he never does.

[guapo34]

This is nothing against you ORS, just something I wanted to point out.

 

It's funny how a bunch of people, especially Red Sox fans, make fun of A-Rod when he goes through those stretches and insist that he'll never be good again. Or if he's in a slump,criticize him or something. The here you are defending his slumps and bad stretches. Now i'm not saying anything about you personally, but I just think it's funny how some people have the ability to realize that players are humans and go through slides where they really slump, or maybe overproduce. Some people can't comprehend that.

 

I think its funnier when Yankee fans get on AROD and think he'll never be good again. At least us Red Sox fans can give the excuse that its wishful thinking, and getting on a player you don't want to do well. What excuse do yankee fans have?

[guapo34]

Eric Duncan's numbers in AAA this year were:

 

BA: .209

OBP: .279

SLG: .255

 

A team with the Yankees resources shouldn't have this guy as a 4th string option. Never mind the starter.

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:wtf:

Huh? Have I been imagining things? All this time I thought it was the YANKEE fans that were all over ARod, forgot that he was recently an MVP, viewed him as a pariah to the team and were practically running him out of the stadium and the town!

I didn't say that it was limited to Red Sox fans, I just said especiaslly Red Sox fans. Too much for you to comprehend?

 

I think its funnier when Yankee fans get on AROD and think he'll never be good again. At least us Red Sox fans can give the excuse that its wishful thinking, and getting on a player you don't want to do well. What excuse do yankee fans have?

Jesus Christ, you guys are making wayy too big a deal out of what I said. It was just something that I was pointing out. I wasn't qyestioning why people get on him, nor was I trying to rationalize or explain it. Just an observation. Damn.

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Eric Duncan's numbers in AAA this year were:

 

BA: .209

OBP: .279

SLG: .255

 

A team with the Yankees resources shouldn't have this guy as a 4th string option. Never mind the starter.

ummm..Duncan didnt spend very much time in AAA this year. Most of it was spent at AA Trenton, where he had a pretty good year (although I dont have the numbers in front of me).

 

He never will, because he has to be the king of NY.

Wow, are you serious? Perhaps Jeter is NOT jealous and not hungry for the NY spotlight? Did it ever occur to you that Jeter may be upset with Alex on a personal level? Maybe he's not supportive because of how upset he is about the things A-Rod said years ago in esquire.

 

You ALWAYS try to determine people's motives for their actions, but the truth is you don't have a clue.