September 21st vs. Minnesota

[riverside sluggers]

Beckett continues to end the season at the top of his game since his wretched 9 walk outing against NY last month. Quite dramatically the HR ball hasnt been seen much lately in his games as opposed to the 1st half

 

3-2 record (6 starts)

40 innings, 32 Hits, 12 Runs, 2 HRs, 14 Walks, 22 Ks

 

Any idea what his nice ERA could be in that span?

 

Beckett now sits at 198 innings pitched . He looks to leap the 200 inning barrier against Tampa Bay in his career high 33rd start of the season, and perhaps win #17?

[ORS]

ERA = ( ER/IP) x 9

 

Based on those numbers his RA - Run Average - is 2.70. If any of those runs weren't earned, then his ERA - Earned Run Average - would be lower.

[ORS]

Pedroia has 66 ABs and is hitting .182. He doesn't have much time left to show that he can hit ML pitching well enough or consistently enough to hold down the 2nd base job.

He was hitting about .120 through 40 ABs, so I'd say the jump to .182 in his last 20 is encouraging. But, what do I know?

[a700hitter]

He doesn't even get consistent playing time. This team was out of the race 3-4 weeks ago. He was up already and should have been playing everyday. Did you realize Robinson Cano also struggled big time when he came up. I'm not comparing Pedroia to him but give the guy some consistent playing time and then see what he can do.

There is no comparing his hacking from the heels swing to Cano's smooth professional stroke. Cano struggled for about 20-25 ABs, plus Pedroia just doesn't have the ability to match Cano's power production. Pedroia had better start swinging down on the ball or he'll be a .250 hitter with warning track power and 5-6 HRs a year. Loretta is a Yankee-killer. Sign him and let Pedroia be next year's lesser version of Cora. I say lesser version, because I don't think he is as good at SS as Cora. He should get 70-80 games. If he is tearing the league up by June, Loretta can be moved in a trading deadline deal to help fill some other need. Right now, Pedroia has proved nothing. He hasn't demonstrated that he can hit ML pitching consistently.

[jsinger121]

He hasn't even gotten a chance consistently. This team was out of it 3 weeks ago. But Francona still plays Loretta and his vanilla BA.

[Mr Crunchy]

this is a tuff call

as a pro team they have an obligation to put their best team on the field every game

we owe that to the players& fans in chicago detroit and everywhere else theyre competing for a playoff spot

 

however

as jsing said

theyre also out of it and need to see who can fish and who should be cutting bait come next march

[a700hitter]

And before last night...

 

.276 avg in September

5 game hitting streak (6 for 12)

8 for his last 21 (.421 avg) 2 Doubles, HR, 3 RBIs, 3 Runs, 3 Walks

 

Just wondering, you were against the Sox FO trading away Andy Marte, right?

The FO left itslef with litle choice but to trade Marte away, because the team had no CF. One of the other posters pointed out the schizo approach to prospects. They talk the talk about keeping the prospects with an eye to the future, but they move guys like Marte, Hanley, and the two Sanchez's. MArte was moved to fill a hole that the FO created by letting OTH Johnny go to the competition. Hanley and Anibal were moved in large part because we no longer had Pedro--- again a FO created hole. We could have had a stocked farm with professional ready prospects and probably one more championship and a 2006 playoff birth if the FO had kept Pedro and OTH Johnny. PLease don't bother telling me about Pedro's stints to the DL. I am well aware of them. I also know that they invloved his toe, hip and calf, but not his arm. I also know that the Mets have been on cruise control since May and they have had the luxury of pampering him. I also know that he is one of the greatest of all time and a sure fire HOFer, and you don't let HOFers walk from your organization. It's always a mistake. A short answer to your question is yes I would have preferred that they didn't have to trade Marte, but I prefer having a CF.

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To add a little more information to the discussion, in those last 26 ABs....

 

.307/.379/.500/.879

 

Is it a small sample? Certainly, but so is the first 40 ABs where he hit .100. And, as example1 mentioned, in those first 40 he hit several balls well but right at someone, which is supported by the early part of his LD/FB/GB graph.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/graphs/8370_2B_daily_full_9_20060921.png

 

He's been hot lately, despite last night's 0/5 - against Johann Santana, go figure - and the results are less FBs with the same amount GBs and more LDs. I think he's a keeper.

[Mr Crunchy]

even if hes a keeper hes still david eckstein at best

hardly cause to go out and get your season tix renewed especially since we have an all star there as it is

 

meanwhile freddy sanchez gets 4 hits wednesday nite for the pirates

anibel sanchez beat pedro last nite and the nite before i saw hanley single,steal his 50th base and then score from 2nd on a past ball on the same at bat....

someday the front office will guess right on whos a keeper and who should be dealt

 

i like that florida team

too bad they cant sell

[a700hitter]

To add a little more information to the discussion, in those last 26 ABs....

 

.307/.379/.500/.879

 

Is it a small sample? Certainly, but so is the first 40 ABs where he hit .100. And, as example1 mentioned, in those first 40 he hit several balls well but right at someone, which is supported by the early part of his LD/FB/GB graph.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/graphs/8370_2B_daily_full_9_20060921.png

 

He's been hot lately, despite last night's 0/5 - against Johann Santana, go figure - and the results are less FBs with the same amount GBs and more LDs. I think he's a keeper.

Where do you find this kind of graph? Please share.

[riverside sluggers]

The FO left itslef with litle choice but to trade Marte away' date=' because the team had no CF. One of the other posters pointed out the schizo approach to prospects. They talk the talk about keeping the prospects with an eye to the future, but they move guys like Marte, Hanley, and the two Sanchez's. MArte was moved to fill a hole that the FO created by letting OTH Johnny go to the competition. Hanley and Anibal were moved in large part because we no longer had Pedro--- again a FO created hole. We could have had a stocked farm with professional ready prospects and probably one more championship and a 2006 playoff birth if the FO had kept Pedro and OTH Johnny. PLease don't bother telling me about Pedro's stints to the DL. I am well aware of them. I also know that they invloved his toe, hip and calf, but not his arm. I also know that the Mets have been on cruise control since May and they have had the luxury of pampering him. I also know that he is one of the greatest of all time and a sure fire HOFer, and you don't let HOFers walk from your organization. It's always a mistake. A short answer to your question is yes I would have preferred that they didn't have to trade Marte, but I prefer having a CF.[/quote']

 

Ahem I asked you about Marte because... I shouldnt be surprised you avoided in my original post... you see his first season stats, drum roll he was having the same time that Pedroia (or rather most rookies) have when theyre first up in the majors. Marte was just 8 for 57 with 0 HRs. Youre telling me youd actually be patient with Marte if he had that type of start up here in Boston??

[riverside sluggers]

even if hes a keeper hes still david eckstein at best

hardly cause to go out and get your season tix renewed especially since we have an all star there as it is

 

meanwhile freddy sanchez gets 4 hits wednesday nite for the pirates

anibel sanchez beat pedro last nite and the nite before i saw hanley single,steal his 50th base and then score from 2nd on a past ball on the same at bat....

someday the front office will guess right on whos a keeper and who should be dealt

 

i like that florida team

too bad they cant sell

 

yea pedroia's quite the hack

[Mr Crunchy]

if he lives up to our greatest expectations and remains healthy he will be another....

david eckstein

 

that really pumps my gnads bigtime

[a700hitter]

Ahem I asked you about Marte because... I shouldnt be surprised you avoided in my original post... you see his first season stats' date=' drum roll he was having the same time that Pedroia (or rather [b']most rookies[/b]) have when theyre first up in the majors. Marte was just 8 for 57 with 0 HRs. Youre telling me youd actually be patient with Marte if he had that type of start up here in Boston??

I didn't say that I would hand him a starting job in Boston unless the team was so stacked with talent that they could carry a slumping bat. Right now, the offense on this team aside from Ortiz and Manny is not such a powerhouse that the manager and FO has a lot of leeway to show patience to kid cutting his teeth in the major leagues. The Yankees with a stacked lineup in 2005 of Jeter, ARod, Sheffield, Matsui, Giambi could afford to carry Cano for a couple of weeks. He slumped for about 20 ABs. Even with the Yankee lineup, if he had slumped (under .200 BA) for 70 ABs, he would have been benched or sent down.

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Where do you find this kind of graph? Please share.

fangraphs.com

[Mr Crunchy]

you could hide a pedroia in the 04 sox lineup

however

with the decline offensively of tek&nixon

and lowell at 3rd instead of billy mueller and crisp in center instead of damon?

our offense needs consistant abs from everyone

[riverside sluggers]

Lowell at 3rd instead of billy mueller? You do realize that Lowell is in fact an offensive upgrade over Mueller right? Mueller has been on the DL for about the whole season and is just about ready for retirememnt with his balky knees

 

I guess Pedroia coming off of a 5 game hitting streak, 8 for his last 26 (.307 avg) doesnt work for anyone, managers cringe at those stats

[a700hitter]

Lowell at 3rd instead of billy mueller? You do realize that Lowell is in fact an offensive upgrade over Mueller right? Mueller has been on the DL for about the whole season and is just about ready for retirememnt with his balky knees

 

I guess Pedroia coming off of a 5 game hitting streak, 8 for his last 26 (.307 avg) doesnt work for anyone, managers cringe at those stats

He's at 71 ABs and he's still hitting .183, plus he missed a ball that should have been a DP.

[riverside sluggers]

He's at 71 ABs and he's still hitting .183' date=' plus he missed a ball that should have been a DP.[/quote']

 

He is 9 for his last 31 (i hate when players hit like that). Even Jerry has commented on how Pedroia is starting to be more calm at the plate, resulting in more line drives. A good share of them have been taken away by some great grabs

 

His defense has actually been good. The weird bounce came on the turf, a surface he has barely played on, even during the minors.

[a700hitter]

He is 9 for his last 31 (i hate when players hit like that). Even Jerry has commented on how Pedroia is starting to be more calm at the plate' date=' resulting in more line drives. A good share of them have been taken away by some great grabs[/quote']1 for his last 10. He's not showing any consistency.

[riverside sluggers]

He's called a f***ing rookie, 22 years old. Sorry it just makes you squirm in your seat because you lack patience but that is what is needed with handling rookies. Not all have come firing out of the gate when they enter the majors

[RedSoxRooter]

When will Crunchy and 700 finally jump off the 2004 bandwagon and go find another winner to fall in love with?

[a700hitter]

He's called a f***ing rookie' date=' 22 years old. Sorry it just makes you squirm in your seat because you lack patience but that is what is needed with handling rookies. Not all have come firing out of the gate when they enter the majors[/quote']Exactly, he is a rookie. I'm not squirming. I'm just not in favor of giving him the starting job, when our team doesn't have a lot of options to hit #1 and 2 and get on consistently for the big boys. If we had a lineup like the Yankees, we could bat him 9th and take what he gives us. Right now we have a lot of duds in the lineup. We have no reliable #5 hitter. No real lead-off hitter to replace Damon. Gonzo is here for his fielding. I don't think we can afford to lose a consistent bat like Loretta unless Pedroia can hit the ground running. This lineup can't afford his growing pains.