Breaking News: Ortiz to return to Boston

[BoSox34]

Tina Cervasio reported that David Ortiz will return to Boston for tests on a possible heart condition.

 

:ortiz:

 

Get well soon, Ortiz.

[RoyNHSox]

Did Tito say to Tina that Papi had an episode a couple of hours before the game? This is really scary news.

[BoSox34]

He sounded really tense throughout the whole interview, let's just pray that everything works out fine.

[Jon_Papelboner]

this is something you don't fool around with. He really needs to get this straightend out before he even thinks about baseball. Probably can be fixed with some kind of prescription but who knows.

[He Hate Me]

the plus side of this is I'll never have to worry about something like this happening to ARod, he's got no heart.

[BudLight]

Here's hoping his condition in nothing serious and that it can be controlled. While I hate what he has done to the Yankees in big situations, Papi is enjoyable to watch! Get well soon Papi.

[HeadOfSoxNation]

For sure...crazy stuff. I wonder why this is just popping up now? Heart conditions are usually either around since birth or develop well later into life than now. I wonder if it's just stress related? This is the first time Ortiz has been on this team when they've been really "out of it" at this point in the season. And no one really expected Minnesota to do anything while he was there. Maybe dealing with the intense scrutiny this year got to him?

 

Anyways...he's one of the best there is and here's to hoping for a quick and easy recovery if there does end up being something wrong.

[noonanberg]

well Papi is a big boy, so I'm sure that may play a part in his heart problems, or maybe not it could be genetic or bad luck. either way i hope he gets better. he picked a good time to have the problem, not like we need him anymore. hopefully he gets healthy soon. if i were the sox i would give him plenty of time off. we're barely in the playoff hunt, and papi's long term health is more important than rushing him back trying to help a lost cause.

[He Hate Me]

i wonder how this would affect his mvp chances if he's held out for a while because of this.

[yankees228]

Jees, here's to hoping that this does not become a long term concern. But, the good news is that plenty of people, especially pro athletes have this happen to them, and rarely does it become a long term concern.

[jsinger121]

Also sent home along with Ortiz was Manny, WMP, and David Wells.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

i wonder how this would affect his mvp chances if he's held out for a while because of this.

 

This team probably won't win a single game without him so.....that sounds like a most valuable player to me. Besides who is running against him? Derek Jeter? Jermaine Dye? Statistically they aren't close to David Ortiz. Only person I can say is Travis Hafner but his team is even worse than the Red Sox.

[Jon_Papelboner]

This team probably won't win a single game without him so.....that sounds like a most valuable player to me. Besides who is running against him? Derek Jeter? Jermaine Dye? Statistically they aren't close to David Ortiz. Only person I can say is Travis Hafner but his team is even worse than the Red Sox.

But Ortiz is a DH. I still believe he will win it, but that can't be ignored.

[juliedon]

They might be able to shock the arrhythmia back to his normal heart beat. He might have to go on blood thinners. He could be out for a while. He needs to take care of himself.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

This team probably won't win a single game without him so.....that sounds like a most valuable player to me. Besides who is running against him? Derek Jeter? Jermaine Dye? Statistically they aren't close to David Ortiz. Only person I can say is Travis Hafner but his team is even worse than the Red Sox.

I'm sorry but when the Red Sox season went down the drain so did Ortiz's chances of winning the MVP. Hes had a brillent season but there are too many people having great seasons on playoff clubs. If you were to give it to someone who didnt make the playoffs I think Hafner would win.

 

BTW All the best to Ortiz.

[MANNYHOF24]

I wouldnt mind if Papi shut it down for the season to be quite honest. We arnt going anywhere and we want a healthy papi for 07. Take all the time you want big fella.

[MANNYHOF24]

But Ortiz is a DH. I still believe he will win it, but that can't be ignored.

 

What people dont understand is, if you dont watch every game every day you just cant truly appreciate how great Papi is. A rule put in baseball should not hurt a players chances of MVP, I am fully confidant Ortiz would put up very similiar numbers if he played the field.

[MC Hammer]

What people dont understand is, if you dont watch every game every day you just cant truly appreciate how great Papi is. A rule put in baseball should not hurt a players chances of MVP, I am fully confidant Ortiz would put up very similiar numbers if he played the field.

Come on Jeter deserves it more for hitting .337. I mean isn't it amazing that he's hitting .337? I mean .337!!! MVP MVP MVP!!!! How can you compare Papi to Jeter ... I mean Jeter is putting up ... Freddy Sanchez like numbers.

 

Seriously if one more person on ESPN suggests Jeter should win the MVP I'm going to fly to the ESPN HQ and burn it down.

[a700hitter]

Come on Jeter deserves it more for hitting .337. I mean isn't it amazing that he's hitting .337? I mean .337!!! MVP MVP MVP!!!! How can you compare Papi to Jeter ... I mean Jeter is putting up ... Freddy Sanchez like numbers.

 

Seriously if one more person on ESPN suggests Jeter should win the MVP I'm going to fly to the ESPN HQ and burn it down.

Freddy Sanchez numbers:lol: Let's not forget the gold gloves that he was awarded even though he has no range. I can see the witers giving the award to Jeter. It really wouldn't surprise me. If they could give him two gold gloves even though he has two step range, they can give him an MVP.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

The idea that Jeter shouldnt be considered for the MVP is crazy. Jeter actually has a very slight edge in VORP over Ortiz:

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/sortable/index.php?cid=9653

 

Jeter is very worthy.

[ORS]

The idea that Jeter shouldnt be considered for the MVP is crazy. Jeter actually has a very slight edge in VORP over Ortiz:

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/sortable/index.php?cid=9653

 

Jeter is very worthy.

Sorry for the slight hijack, but....

 

You aren't allowed to make sensible arguments with stats like VORP if you think SV/SVO is how to judge RP.........it's just not allowed.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

Sorry for the slight hijack, but....

 

You aren't allowed to make sensible arguments with stats like VORP if you think SV/SVO is how to judge RP.........it's just not allowed.

haha I think for closers its the proper argument. BTW Sabermetricians such as Rob Neyer have also said Nathan and Rivera have been the best closers in the league.

[ORS]

haha I think for closers its the proper argument. BTW Sabermetricians such as Rob Neyer have also said Nathan and Rivera have been the best closers in the league.

BP disagrees. Papelbon leads the league in ARP - Adusted Runs Prvented for relievers - and WXRL - Expected Wins Added for relievers.

[MC Hammer]

Maybe BaseballProspectus could come up a few thousand more stats.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

BP disagrees. Papelbon leads the league in ARP - Adusted Runs Prvented for relievers - and WXRL - Expected Wins Added for relievers.

Neyer has a chat on espn.com this thursday. I'll see if I can get a question through about why he prefers Nathan and Rivera over Paplebon. I have offically changed my position on the Nathan vs Paplebon argument.

[ORS]

Maybe BaseballProspectus could come up a few thousand more stats.

Oh, I'm sure they will. And, I'm also sure you'll ridicule every one of them without and ounce of understanding of the process.

[MC Hammer]

Oh, I'm sure they will. And, I'm also sure you'll ridicule every one of them without and ounce of understanding of the process.

If you've seen my posts on this board you know I'm a fan of stats, but that site goes waaaaaay overboard. I don't need 10,000 different stats to tell me how good a pitcher or hitter is. Because of BP you can now find a stats to back just about every arguement.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

Here are some quotes regarding Nathan and Rivera by Neyer:

 

Andy (Manhattan): I REALLY DONT TRUST BILLY WAGNER!!....your thoughts?

 

Rob Neyer: Billy Wagner's not as good as Rivera or Nathan . . . but then, nobody is. Wagner's one of the five or six best closers out there, and you should be content with that.

Drew, NYC: Thank you for your love for Joe Nathan! It seems that analysts fail to mention him when discussing the best closers in baseball. (Especially here in NYC) His BAA and WHIP stats are tremendous!

 

Rob Neyer: When you're talking about the great closers, it's Rivera and Nathan and a bunch of other guys (because Papelbon and Jenks haven't been doing it for long).

He has more quotes on the whole Nathan, Rivera, and Paplebon argument but for some reason I cant find them. Based on these 2 Q&A's hes saying they are better simply because they have done it longer.

[ORS]

If you've seen my posts on this board you know I'm a fan of stats, but that site goes waaaaaay overboard. I don't need 10,000 different stats to tell me how good a pitcher or hitter is. Because of BP you can now find a stats to back just about every arguement.

The stats really aren't that numerous, and this does a good job of proving my point. You don't get what the stats are about.

 

I know you like stats. You like the ones from Stats Inc. because they are the "official" scoring stats. Those are useful, but they are cluttered with noise. Park, league, oppenent, and era all contribute to the environment where the raw stats are compiled. All BP does is filter out the noise to try and get to the true value independent of all those variables. The stats are created by guys who use statistical analysis in their professional lives -- most of the BP writers have day jobs, but they are nuts for baseball.

[ORS]

Here are some quotes regarding Nathan and Rivera by Neyer:

 

 

 

He has more quotes on the whole Nathan, Rivera, and Paplebon argument but for some reason I cant find them. Based on these 2 Q&A's hes saying they are better simply because they have done it longer.

There's some validity to that. Papelbon's rate stats are freakish, so a "wait and see" mentality is justified. I'm not arguing that I think he'll keep it up at this rate. However, based on what's happened so far, it's hard to argue against him.