August 11th vs. Baltimore

[a700hitter]

Your likely an advocate of resigning him too aren't you?

If the price is right. I'm not an advocate of giving a rookie the starting job over a veteran out of camp unless the guy is a total stud, which Pedroia is not. He could use a year taking Cora's role and playing about 75 games around the IF. If he comes out smoking and wins the job during the first few months, you can trade Loretta for prospects. I don't think he will command such a large contract that no one will want him, and even if we have to eat a little of it, he'd be worth it in case Pedroi can't cut it.

[riverside sluggers]

This is Loretta's contract year and there will be teams willing to give him a multi-year offer. This is his last chance for a big payday and it wont come from the Sox

[Soxfan1]

How do you get online with those things? I see the application thing but it can never work? Where do I have to go?

u o me 4 making me type this out.when u get to the connections window, click triangle and edit. then click scan. it will only work if your near a connection.

[RedSoxRooter]

Well, hopefully this shuts some people up for a while.

[Soxfan1]

start a new thread on loretta

[jsinger121]

If the price is right. I'm not an advocate of giving a rookie the starting job over a veteran out of camp unless the guy is a total stud, which Pedroia is not. He could use a year taking Cora's role and playing about 75 games around the IF. If he comes out smoking and wins the job during the first few months, you can trade Loretta for prospects. I don't think he will command such a large contract that no one will want him, and even if we have to eat a little of it, he'd be worth it in case Pedroi can't cut it.

 

Pedroia has flat out raked at every level he has been at. He will easily win the job in the spring and there is no need to even bring loretta back for that reason. If you have ever watched him play you would see he is a much better player than Loretta and does alot more things to spark an offense.

[ORS]

I think having Pedroia ride the pine is a mistake. Riding the pine is rotting. He needs to be playing, and he's been very good at every level. I don't think they should just hand the job to him, but he should be the odds on favorite for it going into ST camp. I'd offer Loretta Arb, let him walk and get the picks, and keep Cora, a more versatile bench player and capable 2B.

[schillingouttheks]

Ballgame

 

This had everything, cmon boys a nice streak and gain some ground

 

very encouraging 7 inning start by Wells

our offense finally brought out their agression

defense, defense, defense

 

My star of the game in the end has to go to this guy

Mike Lowell after scaring RSN with him being hit by a pitch to the helmet, produced.. more or less. RBI single that helped a 7 run 3rd inning, him diving into the stands for a great catch, and a steal of 3rd base

You forgot the rejuvenated "schillingouttheks" mojo!

[a700hitter]

Pedroia is more than ready to take over and Loretta at 5 million plus is a waste as a backup infielder. You can pay backups alot less than that.

He could be moved to another team if Pedroia wins the job outright. I wouldn't give Pedroia the job until he played for a couple of months and proved he could be consistent with the stick playing 3 or 4 times a week. Loretta could be moved for prospects before the trading deadline. Maybe we'd eat one or two million. For crying out loud we paid $1 million for "The Ultimate Loser" Jason johnson. It would be worth it. I don't like giving a rookie the full time job out of camp and not having a safety net.

[a700hitter]

I think having Pedroia ride the pine is a mistake. Riding the pine is rotting. He needs to be playing, and he's been very good at every level. I don't think they should just hand the job to him, but he should be the odds on favorite for it going into ST camp. I'd offer Loretta Arb, let him walk and get the picks, and keep Cora, a more versatile bench player and capable 2B.

Playing 75 games is not exactly riding the pine. It's called good experience.

[a700hitter]

Pedroia has flat out raked at every level he has been at. He will easily win the job in the spring and there is no need to even bring loretta back for that reason. If you have ever watched him play you would see he is a much better player than Loretta and does alot more things to spark an offense.

Many players have hit at every level of the minors, but not been good major league hitters.

[HeadOfSoxNation]

He could be moved to another team if Pedroia wins the job outright. I wouldn't give Pedroia the job until he played for a couple of months and proved he could be consistent with the stick playing 3 or 4 times a week. Loretta could be moved for prospects before the trading deadline. Maybe we'd eat one or two million. For crying out loud we paid $1 million for "The Ultimate Loser" Jason johnson. It would be worth it. I don't like giving a rookie the full time job out of camp and not having a safety net.

 

My point exactly...

 

JSinger...I think you misunderstand us. No one is opposed to bringing up Pedroia. You're just ready to make the guy the face of the franchise, and none of us are quite as high on him yet. You have a VERY solid 2nd baseman who has PROVEN that he can produce at the big league level. I could really care less that Loretta is batting .086 in the middle 3 innings while playing away on turf in a stadium which is below the Mason-Dixon Line or whatever other ridiculous stat you want to throw out. Fact of the matter is, this is not the time YET for Pedroia. None of us argue that he's our 2B of the future...but to bring a kid up in this kind of pennant race? You're setting the guy up for failure.

 

By the way, Brian Cashman called...he wants his frame of mind back.

[a700hitter]

My point exactly...

 

JSinger...I think you misunderstand us. No one is opposed to bringing up Pedroia. You're just ready to make the guy the face of the franchise, and none of us are quite as high on him yet. You have a VERY solid 2nd baseman who has PROVEN that he can produce at the big league level. I could really care less that Loretta is batting .086 in the middle 3 innings while playing away on turf in a stadium which is below the Mason-Dixon Line or whatever other ridiculous stat you want to throw out. Fact of the matter is, this is not the time YET for Pedroia. None of us argue that he's our 2B of the future...but to bring a kid up in this kind of pennant race? You're setting the kid up for failure.

 

By the way, Brian Cashman called...he wants his frame of mind back.

JSinger should be running the circus not a baseball team. Circus acts operate without a safety net, not major league teams with $130 million payrolls.

[a700hitter]

This is Loretta's contract year and there will be teams willing to give him a multi-year offer. This is his last chance for a big payday and it wont come from the Sox

Is there really such a big $ market for late-30's single hitting 2ns baseman?

[riverside sluggers]

A good night for Boston

 

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[riverside sluggers]

Is there really such a big $ market for late-30's single hitting 2ns baseman?

 

Bill Mueller got a 2 year/$8 million contract from the Dodgers, he was offered the same type of contract from the Pirates

[a700hitter]

Bill Mueller got a 2 year/$8 million contract from the Dodgers, he was offered the same type of contract from the Pirates

That will not break the Red Sox bank. If Pedroia flat-out wins the job, we could move Loretta and eat one or two million. I think that is well worth the security.

[riverside sluggers]

That will not break the Red Sox bank. If Pedroia flat-out wins the job, we could move Loretta and eat one or two million. I think that is well worth the security.

 

So you see the Sox offering a 2 or 3 year deal around $4 million per? He was acquired for one reason, to be a cheap solid stopgap to be a bridge to Pedroia. He has done that admirably

[ORS]

Playing 75 games is not exactly riding the pine. It's called good experience.

I think it's a, no offense to you, chickenshit approach to handling the situation. If he wins the job in ST, then the job is his. This is an area where I think the FO and coaching staff fall short of the mark. They are entirely too cautious with emerging prospects. Everyone says, "This team spends too much money to let a rookie take their lumps, they need proven players". Well, the rival spends about 60% more and has no problem playing a rookie. We get our hat handed to us by them in that department.

[a700hitter]

So you see the Sox offering a 2 or 3 year deal around $4 million per? He was acquired for one reason, to be a cheap solid stopgap to be a bridge to Pedroia. He has done that admirably

I wouldn't offer 3 years. Chances are that we will trade him before the second year. He wouldn't be such a big ticket item that he couldn't be moved to another team. Signing him for two years doesn't mean that we'd pay him for the two full years.

[a700hitter]

I think it's a, no offense to you, chickenshit approach to handling the situation. If he wins the job in ST, then the job is his. This is an area where I think the FO and coaching staff fall short of the mark. They are entirely too cautious with emerging prospects. Everyone says, "This team spends too much money to let a rookie take their lumps, they need proven players". Well, the rival spends about 60% more and has no problem playing a rookie. We get our hat handed to us by them in that department.

But if you don't sign Loretta, what happens if the kid has a bad ST or a so-so ST? The Yankees didn't give any rookie a job out of ST. Who was the last one? Jeter? Is anyone comparing him to Jeter?

[Cocos Disciples]

You could always do what we did to Graff, offer him arbitration and if Pedroia is good, trade him.

[a700hitter]

You could always do what we did to Graff' date=' offer him arbitration and if Pedroia is good, trade him.[/quote']That's a possibility. Iwouldn't be surprised if they try that with Loretta.

[ORS]

But if you don't sign Loretta, what happens if the kid has a bad ST or a so-so ST? The Yankees didn't give any rookie a job out of ST. Who was the last one? Jeter? Is anyone comparing him to Jeter?

I'm not saying he will be as good a middle IF as Jeter, but if Jeter deserved a starting job after what he did in the minors, then I suggest you go on over to thebaseballcube.com and look up their respective Minor League stats.

 

Even if Pedroia has a bad or mediocre ST, I still think he should get the job, for a couple of reasons. One, a bad ST is a bad month, everyone has those and they tell you nothing in the long run. Two, he's done not just well, but extremely well for a middle IF at every level -- the hiccup in AAA last year was due to a wrist injury. Three, Cora is capable of at least average production from 2B, so they do have a backup plan. Four, a Tony G type player is always available, and they don't cost much in terms of talent.

[TheKilo]

Big win tonight. Makes everyone feel a little better now, huh?

 

Duplicate this result tomorrow and we just may have a playoff race again.

 

Lowell's catch was amazing.

[jsinger121]

JSinger should be running the circus not a baseball team. Circus acts operate without a safety net, not major league teams with $130 million payrolls.

 

And if you were running this team we would have kept the entire 2004 team together for the next 4 years after that and they would have been on aarp after 2. Before you comment on Pedroia watch him play first. You have no idea about anyone in the Red Sox farm system.

[yankeessuck013]

But if you don't sign Loretta, what happens if the kid has a bad ST or a so-so ST? The Yankees didn't give any rookie a job out of ST. Who was the last one? Jeter? Is anyone comparing him to Jeter?

 

please do not compare us to the yankees

[a700hitter]

And if you were running this team we would have kept the entire 2004 team together for the next 4 years after that and they would have been on aarp after 2. Before you comment on Pedroia watch him play first. You have no idea about anyone in the Red Sox farm system.

I never advocated keeping the entire 2004 team, just the core building blocks of Pedro, Damon and possibly Lowe. Certainly that would've left the FO with enough maneuverability to pursue their youth movement. But I'll say this, the 2004 team might have had one or 2 more Championships in them. Last year's team was a shadow of the 2004 team and it tied for the division lead.

[jsinger121]

I never advocated keeping the entire 2004 team, just the core building blocks of Pedro, Damon and possibly Lowe. Certainly that would've left the FO with enough maneuverability to pursue their youth movement. But I'll say this, the 2004 team might have had one or 2 more Championships in them. Last year's team was a shadow of the 2004 team and it tied for the division lead.

 

They let those guys go to rebuild the farm system so they could acquire the extra high picks needed to replenish quickly. The only guy I would have kept would have been Lowe so we wouldn't have signed Clement. Lowe has never had any arm problems in his career unlike the other guy they let go.

[a700hitter]

I'm not saying he will be as good a middle IF as Jeter, but if Jeter deserved a starting job after what he did in the minors, then I suggest you go on over to thebaseballcube.com and look up their respective Minor League stats.

 

Even if Pedroia has a bad or mediocre ST, I still think he should get the job, for a couple of reasons. One, a bad ST is a bad month, everyone has those and they tell you nothing in the long run. Two, he's done not just well, but extremely well for a middle IF at every level -- the hiccup in AAA last year was due to a wrist injury. Three, Cora is capable of at least average production from 2B, so they do have a backup plan. Four, a Tony G type player is always available, and they don't cost much in terms of talent.

When jeter was given the starting job, it was for a Yankee team that had been to the post-season once in 15 years. When was the last time the Yankees gave a rookie a starting job out of ST since 1996.