Rocket on the Block?

[jsinger121]

Anyways.....apparently Roger Clemens realizes now that he's made a mistake and should have come to Boston. Clemens doesn't want to ask out and be seen as the bad guy in Houston. The owner Drayton McLane wants to trade him, but doesn't want to be seen as the bad guy either.

 

This could break by tommorow and Clemens could still be traded to the Red Sox.

 

(McAdam is the source on Red Sox This Week)

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Anyways.....apparently Roger Clemens realizes now that he's made a mistake and should have come to Boston. Clemens doesn't want to ask out and be seen as the bad guy in Houston. The owner Drayton McLane wants to trade him, but doesn't want to be seen as the bad guy either.

 

This could break by tommorow and Clemens could still be traded to the Red Sox.

 

(McAdam is the source on Red Sox This Week)

 

Thats cool...I want Roy Oswalt but I'll take Roger Clemens....especially under these circumstances

 

It would be a larger move than Bobby Abreu

[DUSTINMOHR4LIFE]

oh s***... this would be hugee.. i wonder what we would have to give up?

[jsinger121]

If the sox were to assume that entire contract the price shouldn't be any top prospects.

[riverside sluggers]

oh s***... this would be hugee.. i wonder what we would have to give up?

 

Maybe the Sox would also be able to pull off the same type of deal the Yankees just made?

salary dump... 2 or 3 so/so-mediocre minor leaguers

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Maybe the Sox would also be able to pull off the same type of deal the Yankees just made?

salary dump... 2 or 3 so/so-mediocre minor leaguers

 

I would think so....maybe less because you can't exactly keep Roger Clemens for a couple years....only a couple months

[jsinger121]

How about Abe Alvarez, Brandon Moss, JVB, and Tommy Hottovy for Clemens

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

How about Abe Alvarez, Brandon Moss, JVB, and Tommy Hottovy for Clemens

 

I'd do that in a second....I would suggest just staying away from the top 10

[jsinger121]

I'd do that in a second....I would suggest just staying away from the top 10

 

Trading those 4 guys would also open 3 40 man roster spots

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Trading those 4 guys would also open 3 40 man roster spots

 

ooo thats a great point. That would allow the Red Sox to stick Dustin Pedroia, Chad Spann, and Jacoby Ellsbury(maybe?) for a callup later this season. That would be nice to see.

[DUSTINMOHR4LIFE]

I like JVB, but to get Clemens I would do it.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Strange....the Astros suddenly threw out Roy Oswalt's name (linked to Tejada), Roger Clemens name gets thrown out there, and also Brian Sabean said he would entertain offers now (with less than 24 hours left) for Jason Schmidt.

 

.....very odd.....is Dontrelle Willis now available too??

[jsinger121]

ooo thats a great point. That would allow the Red Sox to stick Dustin Pedroia, Chad Spann, and Jacoby Ellsbury(maybe?) for a callup later this season. That would be nice to see.

 

Ellsbury and Spann will not be called up this season and that is a definite.

[DUSTINMOHR4LIFE]

pedroia could get the call tomorrow if we trade loretta

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Ellsbury and Spann will not be called up this season and that is a definite.

 

Yea I was just throwing out names. Its mostly just Dustin Pedroia I'd like to see get called up.

[MC Hammer]

I'd gladly cut off both my legs to get Roy Oswalt. I don't think I'd cut anything off to get Clemens, but I'm not against getting him depending on what we have to give up.

[example1]

There is no way that Oswalt is available, is there? He's too good to give up on and I think he's a huge reason that Houston has been successful the past few years.

 

Clemens at this point for very little talent would be a great deal. I doubt it is happening, but its a good idea.

[RoyNHSox]

From McAdam in the Projo:

 

Clemens, of course, is the name that won't go away. Friends of the Rocket insist he's sorry that he chose the Astros over the Red Sox.

 

After finally getting some run support yesterday, the bullpen blew Clemens' lead, leaving him with a 2-4 record. The Astros, meanwhile, are seven games under .500 and six games out of the wild-card race.

 

Clemens would love to be dealt to the Red Sox, but doesn't want to antagonize his hometown by asking for a trade. Similarly, owner Drayon McLane, having won the furious bidding war for Clemens two months ago, doesn't want to alienate Astros fans by dealing Clemens.

 

If Clemens could make a trade seem like the Astros' idea, he'd be all for it. And if the Astros got cover from Clemens and could say that a deal was made at Clemens' request, they'd make it.

 

But since neither side is going to accommodate the other, Clemens is stuck.

[HeadOfSoxNation]

Man...yea, this would be cool, but Clemens has been proven to tank in the postseason...I'd MAKE SURE I'm not giving up any of the top 10 to get him. I'll take the salary and roll the dice on his postseason performance...but there's no way I'm rolling the dice and dealing any of the big guys on the club or in the system.

 

Now, for Oswalt or the DTrain...pretty much take your pick. And I'll cut off my legs with MC...and you can all bang my little sister.

[MC Hammer]

OK so after some thought I've come up with a conspiracy theory about this. Clemens really wanted to sign with the Red Sox, but he also wanted to help Houston. So he decided to go to Houston ... wait till it's almost the deadline ... and then he and Houston leak that he'd like to be traded to the Sox. Now he is going to help Houston by at least bringing back some prospects, and he gets to go to the team he wanted to in the first place.

 

I definatly see Houston getting more than the Yankees gave up for Abreu, but I'm really not sure what they'd be interested in.

[Beckett95]

Well its obvious that the Red Sox are very interest in Roger and most of the Astros FO agrees with moving him, except for Drayton McLane. If McLane changes his mind in a couple of weeks, any shot that the Sox could get Clemens through a waiver deal?

[Mr Crunchy]

mcclain may be the biggest idiot on the planet

 

dangling oswald like bait out there,refusing to sign carlo beltran so he can give clem 20M per??

then getting on his knees to get clem back this year while ignoring his other needs and still havign a payroll over 100M??

 

what an *******

i hope they lose every game remaining and move to sanantonio

[Red Sox Rulz]

ooo thats a great point. That would allow the Red Sox to stick Dustin Pedroia, Chad Spann, and Jacoby Ellsbury(maybe?) for a callup later this season. That would be nice to see.

Pedoria should be up any time soon.

[Papelbon58]

Pedoria should be up any time soon.

what??? I don't know what you said there, but he will not be up this season barring injury. He could be a starter at some point next season

[Red Sox Rulz]

From McAdam in the Projo:

 

Then let the bum suffer, as much as I'd Love to see him here.

[CrespoBlows]

Well its obvious that the Red Sox are very interest in Roger and most of the Astros FO agrees with moving him, except for Drayton McLane. If McLane changes his mind in a couple of weeks, any shot that the Sox could get Clemens through a waiver deal?

 

The Yankees would claim him first.

[Red Sox Rulz]

Man...yea, this would be cool, but Clemens has been proven to tank in the postseason...I'd MAKE SURE I'm not giving up any of the top 10 to get him. I'll take the salary and roll the dice on his postseason performance...but there's no way I'm rolling the dice and dealing any of the big guys on the club or in the system.

 

Now, for Oswalt or the DTrain...pretty much take your pick. And I'll cut off my legs with MC...and you can all bang my little sister.

Hope your little sister doesn't look like you. Theo has guts...he DIDN'T mortgage our future,and i hope he continues.

[CrespoBlows]

Updated: Aug. 1, 2006

McLane fails to do the right thing for RocketBy Jayson Stark

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It was a deal that would have wiped all the other deals off the back page, the front page and all the pages in between.

 

It was a deal that would have changed history -- and pennant races.

 

It was a deal that didn't happen this weekend, but apparently could have -- and should have.

 

It was a deal that never was -- a deal involving the only active 343-game winner currently hanging around our planet.

 

 

 

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Roger Clemens has a 2.09 ERA but only a 2-4 record to show for it due to a punchless Astros' offense and two blown saves.Roger Clemens to the Red Sox?

 

Multiple sources say it was a trade that could have been made, even as late as Monday afternoon. All Astros owner Drayton McLane would have had to do was say: "You know, it's the right thing to do."

 

But apparently, that isn't what he said. Drayton McLane isn't ready to give up on his season. And he isn't ready to give up Roger Clemens.

 

The owner easily could have done for Clemens what the Cubs did Monday for Greg Maddux. There are times when certain people deserve to be rescued from their sinking cruise liners. This year, for those two living legends, was one of those times.

 

The Cubs couldn't be sure if this was Maddux's final season. But if it is, he doesn't deserve to finish it with a team that's trying to hold off the Pirates in the NL Central dungeon.

 

So on Monday, the Cubs gave Maddux a chance to write a different ending, to his season and his career, by pitching in games worthy of his presence. They didn't have to. But it was the right thing to do.

 

Accounts vary on exactly how close the Astros might have been to granting Clemens a similar favor. But we have heard too many accounts that suggest those dots could have been connected to ignore them.

 

The version that people in Houston are telling their friends is that they never actually fielded offers from anybody on Clemens. In this rendition of the story, GM Tim Purpura was sharp enough to see those offers coming. So he "prepared" for calls from the three teams that pursued Clemens as a free agent -- the Red Sox, Yankees and Rangers.

 

But he never planned to go beyond those preparations unless McLane told him to -- presumably because the season was a lost cause and it was the right thing to do. Except McLane never spoke those words. So teams that called were allegedly told it wasn't the Astros' "present intent" to trade the Rocket. He was out of play.

 

There is another story going around, however, that presents a different version of this tale. And it's fascinating how many hooked-in people in baseball were hearing it late Monday afternoon.

 

In this version, the Red Sox weren't told the Astros didn't intend to trade Clemens. Instead, the two sides exchanged ideas, scenarios and even lists of potential players who could have been sent to Houston in exchange for Clemens.

 

In this version, both sides were aware of how close Clemens came to signing with the Red Sox in May and how much he'd thought about finishing his career where it all began. So the two teams allowed themselves to go further down this road than they normally would have gone -- until the trading deadline was less than two hours away.

 

There was only one reason they went no further -- because McLane wouldn't let them.

 

In this version, Clemens even found himself in a conversation with McLane this weekend about their team's struggles. It was a conversation that easily could have ended with McLane asking him: "Do you think I should trade you?"

 

Instead, it must have ended with McLane talking as optimistically as ever about how the Rocket and his friends were going to pull another miracle out of their sweat socks. Instead, the idea of trading Clemens clearly never entered the owner's brain.

 

Given Clemens' affection for his hometown, his teammates and even his owner, he would never broach that subject himself. He would never ask to bail out. It isn't what he's about.

 

He's the one who chose to play in Houston instead of for one of those other three teams, of course. He did that even though he knew their postseason prospects always looked brighter than the Astros'.

 

So you could easily argue he had his chance to play somewhere else, and now he should be obligated to honor his commitment to the team he picked. Go ahead. Argue it. We won't fight you.

 

But there is also an obligation on the other side, the obligation any team has to a player of Roger Clemens' stature.

 

Obviously, everybody in Houston has a vision of how the Rocket Man deserves to close out his astonishing career. And obviously, this isn't it.

 

This Saturday in Arizona, Clemens will take his 2.09 ERA (and misleading 2-4 record) to the mound -- for a team that is currently six games out in the wild-card race, 17 games under .500 since its 19-9 start and the not-so-proud owner of a worse record since May 4 (30-47) than the Royals (31-47).

 

And any time your team finds itself mixed up in a phrase like "worse record than the Royals," you know you're in trouble. Or you ought to know, anyway.

 

But the owner of the Astros clearly doesn't know. Doesn't see it. Doesn't want to see it.

 

So if there was really a deal there to be made with the Red Sox, that deal could have done more than just hand Clemens a better script. From all accounts, it could have helped the Astros, too, by saving them $7 million, and by infusing more real young talent in their system. Two players. Maybe three.

 

But the owner was terrified he'd be known forever as The Man Who Traded Roger Clemens. And Clemens would never want to be known as The Man Who Abandoned His Own Hometown.

 

So it would have had to be handled delicately. But it could have been done.

 

All Clemens had to say was that he wasn't "abandoning" his team. He was committed for life. He'd be gone for two months, and then he'd be back to work for the Astros for as long as they wanted him, doing whatever they needed done.

 

 

All (Astros owner Drayton) McLane had to say was that he did this because he loves Roger Clemens, and he cares about him, and he wants his career to end the way it deserves to end -- with another trip, or three, to the mound in baseball's grand Octoberfest. Then they'd all get back to the job of working together to make the Astros a better franchise. Could have been handled that way easily. But none of that ever played on the LCD screen inside the owner's head.

And all McLane had to say was that he did this because he loves Roger Clemens, and he cares about him, and he wants his career to end the way it deserves to end -- with another trip, or three, to the mound in baseball's grand Octoberfest. Then they'd all get back to the job of working together to make the Astros a better franchise.

 

Could have been handled that way easily. But none of that ever played on the LCD screen inside the owner's head.

 

So now Clemens and his Astros teammates will have to figure out a very different script than the one they've been living through these last six weeks. But is that even possible?

 

You have to admire the furious effort Purpura gave over the last several days, trying to add the likes of Miguel Tejada and Alfonso Soriano to a club that needs a serious jolt to save its season.

 

But the honest truth is, this Astros' season might not be save-able.

 

Yeah, things may have looked bad two years ago (when they were four games under .500 in August), and the Astros somehow recovered and made it to Game 7 of the NLCS). Yeah, it sure looked dire last year, too (when they were 16-31 in May), and they still survived to play in their first World Series. But not this bad.

 

At least those teams had a certain vibe to them that this team doesn't. At least those teams could hand a lead to their bullpen and be reasonably sure they'd get to shake hands shortly thereafter. At least those teams weren't next-to-last in the league in runs scored and dead last in slugging.

 

This team, though, is a different story. This team has scored zero runs while Clemens was in the game in four of his eight starts -- and blown saves for him in two others. It is so obvious this team is missing something huge and vital that it advertised its flaws to the world this weekend -- by chasing names as powerful as Tejada and Soriano, by dangling players as high-profile as Roy Oswalt and Brad Lidge.

 

Yet the owner maintains his boundless optimism. He sees what he wants to see. He believes what he wants to believe. And he believes, mostly, that as long as he has Roger Clemens in his clubhouse, they will never run out of miracles.

 

Optimism is a beautiful quality in this life. So you hope Drayton McLane's optimism is rewarded -- because if it isn't rewarded this time, the only 343-game winner of the division-play era might well finish his career in a half-empty ballpark in Pittsburgh in the last week of September, for a team with no more to play for than the home team.

 

That scene just won't feel right then. And the vision of it doesn't feel right now. But as it approaches, how will we forget that it didn't have to be that way?

 

All Drayton McLane had to do to change it was simply feel the urge to do the right thing -- for a pitcher who has always done the right thing for him.

 

[Red Sox Rulz]

OK so after some thought I've come up with a conspiracy theory about this. Clemens really wanted to sign with the Red Sox, but he also wanted to help Houston. So he decided to go to Houston ... wait till it's almost the deadline ... and then he and Houston leak that he'd like to be traded to the Sox. Now he is going to help Houston by at least bringing back some prospects, and he gets to go to the team he wanted to in the first place.

 

I definatly see Houston getting more than the Yankees gave up for Abreu, but I'm really not sure what they'd be interested in.

Again, I hope Theo holds the course, and doesn't mortgage the future.

[Mr Crunchy]

i would prefer a world series victory

anything short of this is a disappointment

if you like to play for 3rd place or watch prospects develop i suggest you start watching the pirates play or maybe take in the kansas city royals,theyre exciting and young too

 

i'd prefer a major league lineup that doesnt consist of waiver wire acquisitions from kansas city on our pitching staff considering we pay more for basebal tickets in boston than anywhere else on the planet

 

theo should be ashamed of himself this morning

judging by the way the rest of baseball is laffing at him(us) today i suspect he wish he could do it over again

that being said

every game for the rest of the year is sold out so tom henry and the other 18 investors are breathing easier since they didnt add a nickel of payroll and the bottom line remained intact

 

after all

its all about the bottom line isnt it theo??