July 23 @ Seattle

[BoSox21]

OH CAPTAIN, MY f***ING CAPTAIN!!!!!

[BoSox21]

cmon boys, bring this one home

[a700hitter]

I can't believe Manny is getting the brunt of the blame here. Yeah, him not picking it up on the run barehanded didn't help, but Coco f'd up twice there. TWICE. First he didn't play what should have been a deep fly-ball right, then he missed two cut-off men giving Beltre the extra time needed to get home.

You are completely right. Coco botched it big time. MAnny has made many more good plays than bad this year. He has done a lot of work on his fielding and it has paid off. There have been very few Manny Moments this year.

 

 

And a big HR by to tie the game. He's been looking good at the plate.

[TheKilo]

cmon boys, walk off with it here

 

 

:what:

 

edit - nice edit.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Can Papelbon go two innings today?

[BoSox21]

:what:

 

edit - nice edit.

 

yea yea yea, forgot we're on the road for a sec. thanks for catching it

[RoyNHSox]

Was that the second HR that Putz has given up this year?

[example1]

Anyway, ORS, my point is that there are a lot of CF who don't make that play initially. There are probably 300 OF who are able to pick that ball up with their hands and keep the hit to a double. Within that framework, almost every single OF can throw a one hop to the SS to keep it from being a HR.

 

There is a lot of blame to go around, and in general I'm a big supporter of Manny's defensive play (for a guy with so much offense I'll take his mediocre D). However, I don't think that Coco is nearly as neglegant in the field as Manny is.

 

Two outfielders are to blame for that play. One guy plays CF and does so at a below average level. The other plays LF and plays defense at a below average level most days. Today is one of those days for sure.

[TheKilo]

Can Papelbon go two innings today?

 

 

Timlin only threw 13, maybe him for another?

[RedSoxRooter]

Tavarez in the 10th, Seanez in the 11th. Game over.

[ORS]

Why are you measuring where the blame goes? A major league average outfielder picks that ball up with his hand and lobs it into the SS. A non-major league, average human being picks that ball up with his bare hand.

 

f*** YEAH TEK

I'm not measuring anything. Most of the complaints after that play were directed at Manny, so my assertion didn't take much bean counting.

 

Yeah, and league average CF catches that ball at the fence, or at the very least, hits the cutoff man. If you are so quick to take the "s*** happens, that's baseball" line of thinking with Coco, why no reprieve for Manny?

[example1]

Anyone else wondering where Papelbon is? Anyone?

 

I know TImlin had a good inning last inning, so maybe Francona thinks he'll be good to go.

[BoSox21]

what a ballgame though...

[example1]

I'm not measuring anything. Most of the complaints after that play were directed at Manny, so my assertion didn't take much bean counting.

 

Yeah, and league average CF catches that ball at the fence, or at the very least, hits the cutoff man. If you are so quick to take the "s*** happens, that's baseball" line of thinking with Coco, why no reprieve for Manny?

 

Because, on that play, Manny was the backup man. It is his job to minimize damage when the first player misses the ball. When he creates MORE damage due to a lack of concentration then I'll give him s*** for it. That's why.

 

Game over

[DUSTINMOHR4LIFE]

f***ING BS

[schillingouttheks]

Unbelievable.

[BoSox21]

youve gotta be s***ing me...

[example1]

Again, anyone wondering where Papelbon is?

[a700hitter]

Sexson with the walkoff. See you tomorrow against f***in Oakland.

[schillingouttheks]

f***ING BS

Don't s*** your pants.

[TheKilo]

Tough loss. Get Oakland tomorrow.

[RedSoxRooter]

ahh.

[ORS]

Because, on that play, Manny was the backup man. It is his job to minimize damage when the first player misses the ball. When he creates MORE damage due to a lack of concentration then I'll give him s*** for it. That's why.

 

Game over

Oh, the second line of defense gets the blame? That's new.

[MANNYHOF24]

Oh, the second line of defense gets the blame? That's new.

 

Yeah that was totally Crips fault, I really wouldnt blame Manny for that one

[RoyNHSox]

Tough loss for Timlin today, weird game overall.

[example1]

Oh, the second line of defense gets the blame? That's new.

 

No, you're missing my point. Errors happen in baseball. They just do. They happen on high fly balls that hit the top 2 inches of the fence on days when it is clearly difficult to see the ball. 2 errors on the same play do not just happen they happen due to a lack of concentration.

 

You clearly think that picking up a slowly bouncing ball with one's bare-hand is harder than catching a towering flyball that hits the top of the fence. I guess that's where we differ.

[element1151]

I don't expect crisp to make a magnificent catch like that. I expect Manny to be able to throw it back to the infield.

[example1]

Yeah that was totally Crips fault, I really wouldnt blame Manny for that one

 

The run scoring is both Manny and Crisp's fault. The person who had the easiest play was Manny. He was the one who was least likely to cause an error given that he didn't a) have to catch a ball at the top of the fence or throw a ball 200 feet to the cutoff man as part of a relay to get the guy at home (a play that still should have been easy). Manny's play was to PICK UP THE BALL and LOB it to the cutoff man.

[example1]

I don't expect crisp to make a magnificent catch like that. I expect Manny to be able to throw it back to the infield.

 

So you also expect him to be able to pick a slowly bouncing baseball up with his barehand without knocking it 10 feet BACKWARDS?

[a700hitter]

The run scoring is both Manny and Crisp's fault. The person who had the easiest play was Manny. He was the one who was least likely to cause an error given that he didn't a) have to catch a ball at the top of the fence or throw a ball 200 feet to the cutoff man as part of a relay to get the guy at home (a play that still should have been easy). Manny's play was to PICK UP THE BALL and LOB it to the cutoff man.

What do you see more often during the season: A) An outfielder misjudging where a flyball will land by 6 feet, or a fielder bobbling a barehand pickup?