Lugo??

[yankeessuck013]

the Orioles would never do that, they have an offer for two cot controlled players in Santana and Aybar which we probaly couldnt match without trading one of our MLB young pitchers.

 

It's called a "Joke."

[ksushi]

I just don't think Tejada is where the Sox are going right now.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

It's called a "Joke."

 

Thank you...some people are just too damn serious around here

[HeadOfSoxNation]

I just don't think Tejada is where the Sox are going right now.

 

I agree...and love your scenario of moving Lugo without ever having him in a Sox uniform to get Buehrle...but I don't think it will happen. It'd be awesome if it did, but I just don't think it will.

 

And as much as I don't think the Tejada thing will happen...how awesome of a punch/counter punch would it be if the Yanks got Abreu and then we go out and grab Tejada? That'd be like when Bald Bull goes apeshit in Punchout and comes charging at Little Mac and Little Mac counters with that blow to the stomach and knocks him on his fat ass. Yea, that's what it'd be like.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Mark Loretta is out of the starting lineup today.....

[Dana Kiecker]

Hello

[MC Hammer]

if we trade Loretta I don't believe I'd be able to explain my anger through a post.

[a700hitter]

if we trade Loretta I don't believe I'd be able to explain my anger through a post.

I agree. The Skankees pick up Abreu and Lidle for some s*** prospects without touching their major league roster, and the Red Sox are considering sending of the #2 hitter who has been doing a great job of getting on for the big boys.

[ksushi]

Depends what we get in return. Abreu and Lidle aren't exactly the best the NL has to offer. What does Abreu have like 8 home runs right now? Wonderful.

[MC Hammer]

I agree. The Skankees pick up Abreu and Lidle for some s*** prospects without touching their major league roster, and the Red Sox are considering sending of the #2 hitter who has been doing a great job of getting on for the big boys.

Well, not only that. No matter what the Yankees did, I don't see a reason to break up the most consistant defense in the history of the sport. Doesn't anyone value defense?

[ORS]

Well, not only that. No matter what the Yankees did, I don't see a reason to break up the most consistant defense in the history of the sport. Doesn't anyone value defense?

I like the IF D, especially the left side, but Loretta is the weak link. Sure, he's got good hands which keeps the error number low, but he's got next to no range. His likely replacement has better range, a stronger arm, handles the bat as well, walks more often, and more pop in his bat. The downside is that he'll be playing in the show for the first time, so there's a bit of a hiccup to be expected there. The hiccup could be worth it if Loretta is part of a package bringing back what this team needs most, pitching.

[MC Hammer]

I like the IF D, especially the left side, but Loretta is the weak link. Sure, he's got good hands which keeps the error number low, but he's got next to no range. His likely replacement has better range, a stronger arm, handles the bat as well, walks more often, and more pop in his bat. The downside is that he'll be playing in the show for the first time, so there's a bit of a hiccup to be expected there. The hiccup could be worth it if Loretta is part of a package bringing back what this team needs most, pitching.

I still don't agree. If we're trading Loretta now, and bringing Dustin up we can kiss the playoffs goodbye IMO, no matter what we get in return. Trading Loretta means that not only do we lose a solid glove at 2B, but we're also left without a #2 hitter.

 

I don't understand talking about Loretta's range as it was never much better than it is right now. If you were expecting a guy that was going to range for balls on the other side of 2B then you obviously had no idea who Mark Loretta is/was.

 

I don't see us winning this division if we're going to start over at 2B and in the #2 hole more than half way through the season. There is too much chemistry in our IF to break up, and doing so would be team suicide.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

I don't see us winning this division if we're going to start over at 2B and in the #2 hole more than half way through the season. There is too much chemistry in our IF to break up, and doing so would be team suicide.

 

What if Mark Loretta can bring in another excellent arm?? That arm can be a huge difference for us and we may find a comperable replacement for 2nd base. You can't make a judgement call for a trade that has not happened and you don't know any of the other players involved. Just relax.

[ORS]

Wow, that's a little extreme. That chemistry doesn't seem to affect most MIF duos when a change is made.

 

Don't get me wrong, Loretta is a solid ball player. With a capable backup (Cora) and potentially better replacement ready for the next level (Pedroia), he's expendable, and the team needs pitching. I think they are less likely to make the playoffs this year if they wave the white flag every 5th day than they are if they trade Loretta.

[pats55sox45]

heres my prediction

we give up mark loretta, mike lowell

get julio lugo, ryan shealy, scott linebrink

 

youk moves to 3b

shealy becomes 1b

lugo plays 2b

and we get a great reliever

 

im not so sure how i would feel about it, but i just have a feeling this is the type of big complicated trade were workin on

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

heres my prediction

we give up mark loretta, mike lowell

get julio lugo, ryan shealy, scott linebrink

 

youk moves to 3b

shealy becomes 1b

lugo plays 2b

and we get a great reliever

 

im not so sure how i would feel about it, but i just have a feeling this is the type of big complicated trade were workin on

 

I'm not a real fan of that trade mostly because I'm such a big Mike Lowell fan. I don't want to move Alex Gonzalez or Mike Lowell....THAT is where our great defense has been coming from.

[schillingouttheks]

That being said, someone on BBTN said that the Sox are in a big 3-4 team deal and Lowell was one of the focuses of discussion. He also said that we could be shipping off someone else and getting someone like Linebrink, and a good possibility of Chris Young, in return. If we can get Chris Young by moving Lowell, I'm doing it.

[MC Hammer]

What if Mark Loretta can bring in another excellent arm?? That arm can be a huge difference for us and we may find a comperable replacement for 2nd base. You can't make a judgement call for a trade that has not happened and you don't know any of the other players involved. Just relax.

Who's hitting #2 if we trade Loretta? And then who is taking that spot in the lineup? Yes the addition to the rotation will definatly help, but if you don't think shaking the entire lineup up, and then putting a new player in our infield is going to mess with chemistry then I must be the crazy one. I would rather have the best defense in baseball, and a very good #2 hitter, than another pticher, a worse defense, and no #2 hitter. Yes we do have a hole at the #5 spot in our rotation, but filling a hole by creating another one doesn't help the team.

 

Wow, that's a little extreme. That chemistry doesn't seem to affect most MIF duos when a change is made.

 

Don't get me wrong, Loretta is a solid ball player. With a capable backup (Cora) and potentially better replacement ready for the next level (Pedroia), he's expendable, and the team needs pitching. I think they are less likely to make the playoffs this year if they wave the white flag every 5th day than they are if they trade Loretta.

The way I see it we've already made it almost 2/3rds of the way through the season having to forefit every 5th day and yet we're still in 1st place.

 

Lets, just pretend that we trade Loretta and still make the playoffs. What is going to help us win the World Series again ... a veteran 2B with a good bat, or a 5th starter who will never touch a baseball in the playoffs?

[pats55sox45]

That being said, someone on BBTN said that the Sox are in a big 3-4 team deal and Lowell was one of the focuses of discussion. He also said that we could be shipping off someone else and getting someone like Linebrink, and a good possibility of Chris Young, in return. If we can get Chris Young by moving Lowell, I'm doing it.

 

ya id be more willing to do my trade if it involved chris young

[example1]

Pedroia could be BETTER than Loretta. Having watched what I've watched of Howie Kendrick, I would put his bat in the lineup right now over loretta... especially if Loretta is trade worthy for a #3 arm or, packaged with prospects, something better. I say Kendrick because I think Pedroia and Kendrick are both highly touted 2Bmen, although both have very different styles.

 

If we get too attached to guys like Loretta (to the point of getting angry if they are traded) then its going to be a tough retooling period. The plan was to find some stop-gap players until our minor leaguers are ready. Pedroia is ready, let's use Loretta while he's still playing well.

[MC Hammer]

Why is everyone hell bent on breaking up the best defense in baseball? It seems like everyone on this board besides me is up for trading Lowell and Loretta.

[schillingouttheks]

Only if it lands us an arm like Chris Young. It really depends on what we get in return. If Lugo comes, well, there's a #2 hitter as well.

[CrespoBlows]

Why is everyone hell bent on breaking up the best defense in baseball? It seems like everyone on this board besides me is up for trading Lowell and Loretta.

 

Because Loretta is not a good defense 2B. He is probably average at best.

 

Trading Lowell? Pass. Unless it lands Chris Young.

[MC Hammer]

Because Loretta is not a good defense 2B. He is probably average at best.

 

Trading Lowell? Pass. Unless it lands Chris Young.

Yeah that .991 FPCT is so average.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Who's hitting #2 if we trade Loretta? And then who is taking that spot in the lineup? Yes the addition to the rotation will definatly help, but if you don't think shaking the entire lineup up, and then putting a new player in our infield is going to mess with chemistry then I must be the crazy one. I would rather have the best defense in baseball, and a very good #2 hitter, than another pticher, a worse defense, and no #2 hitter. Yes we do have a hole at the #5 spot in our rotation, but filling a hole by creating another one doesn't help the team.

 

How many #2 hitters have we had the last 4 years?? Mark Bellhorn, Bill Mueller, Orlando Cabrera, Mark Loretta, Todd Walker, Edgar Renteria.......its not going to mess with the team chemistry as long as that player can get on base for Ortiz and Manny. If you added Julio Lugo I would suggest having him leadoff and having Coco Crisp batting 2nd (where he has had most success in his career).

 

1. Julio Lugo

2. Coco Crisp

3. David Ortiz

4. Manny Ramirez

5. Trot Nixon

6. Jason Varitek

7. Mike Lowell

8. Kevin Youkilis

9. Alex Gonzalez

 

.....speed, power, OBP.....that lineup is just fine and the Red Sox could add some pitching. I'm not saying Julio Lugo is the guy we would get if ANY deal were to occur (we could get someone better) but again....we can't critique any deals until they happen

[example1]

Who's hitting #2 if we trade Loretta? And then who is taking that spot in the lineup? Yes the addition to the rotation will definatly help, but if you don't think shaking the entire lineup up, and then putting a new player in our infield is going to mess with chemistry then I must be the crazy one. I would rather have the best defense in baseball, and a very good #2 hitter, than another pticher, a worse defense, and no #2 hitter. Yes we do have a hole at the #5 spot in our rotation, but filling a hole by creating another one doesn't help the team.

 

His name is Pedroia. That is who would be our #2 hitter. If not him them move Coco back to leadoff and have Youk hit 2nd. There are options and its not the end of the world.

 

The way I see it we've already made it almost 2/3rds of the way through the season having to forefit every 5th day and yet we're still in 1st place.

 

Lets, just pretend that we trade Loretta and still make the playoffs. What is going to help us win the World Series again ... a veteran 2B with a good bat, or a 5th starter who will never touch a baseball in the playoffs?

 

How about a 2nd starter who happens to be in the 3rd or 4th spot on a team that has two #1 caliber pitchers and a legitimate #3 rookie who could be a great #4 in the playoffs. Pedroia is a tremendous defensive player. He has a great eye. I think of him (perhaps erroroneously) as a 2B version of Youkilis. I would much rather have two Youkilii in a row than a Youkilis-Loretta (even though I love loretta's game as much as anyone).

[MC Hammer]

How many #2 hitters have we had the last 4 years?? Mark Bellhorn, Bill Mueller, Orlando Cabrera, Mark Loretta, Todd Walker, Edgar Renteria.......its not going to mess with the team chemistry as long as that player can get on base for Ortiz and Manny. If you added Julio Lugo I would suggest having him leadoff and having Coco Crisp batting 2nd (where he has had most success in his career).

 

1. Julio Lugo

2. Coco Crisp

3. David Ortiz

4. Manny Ramirez

5. Trot Nixon

6. Jason Varitek

7. Mike Lowell

8. Kevin Youkilis

9. Alex Gonzalez

 

.....speed, power, OBP.....that lineup is just fine and the Red Sox could add some pitching. I'm not saying Julio Lugo is the guy we would get if ANY deal were to occur (we could get someone better) but again....we can't critique any deals until they happen

How do you know it wont effect team chemistry. How many times have you been on a first place MLB club that loses an important player on your team to a trade? Getting on base and producing on the field has NOTHING to do with team chemistry AT ALL.

 

Great gameplan ... lets take a .304 hitter out of the #2 hole and slide in a wonderful .269 average. Then lets take a .297 hitter and move him from the leadoff spot ... to 8.

 

.... Your planning makes A LOT of sense.

[MC Hammer]

His name is Pedroia. That is who would be our #2 hitter. If not him them move Coco back to leadoff and have Youk hit 2nd. There are options and its not the end of the world.

[/Quote]

You're going to call up a kid who has never had a MLB AB before and hit him #2 for a first place team? Jesus christ talk about setting up a player to fall on his face.

 

 

How about a 2nd starter who happens to be in the 3rd or 4th spot on a team that has two #1 caliber pitchers and a legitimate #3 rookie who could be a great #4 in the playoffs. Pedroia is a tremendous defensive player. He has a great eye. I think of him (perhaps erroroneously) as a 2B version of Youkilis. I would much rather have two Youkilii in a row than a Youkilis-Loretta (even though I love loretta's game as much as anyone).

Those kind of pitchers are not on the market unless they are having a seriously bad year. If we could get a #2 guy, who is pitching like a #2 guy this year, then I'd consider it, but I still don't think I'd make the move.

 

Stick to the plan. Let Dustin start next year.

[ORS]

Yeah that .991 FPCT is so average.

Tools of a defender: hands, arm accuracy, arm strength, range

 

That stat only tells you about two of those things, hands and arm accuracy. His arm strength is nothing to get excited about. His range is well below average.

[MC Hammer]

Tools of a defender: hands, arm accuracy, arm strength, range

 

That stat only tells you about two of those things, hands and arm accuracy. His arm strength is nothing to get excited about. His range is well below average.

... he plays 2nd base. Arm strength is not something you look at for a 2B. His range is not well below average and it's hardly lower than at other points in his career. Please name ... 15-20 2Bs with better range to prove your point.