Pedro is 5 - 0 I'm eating my words...

[BrentD22]

Talking to friends in the past when Pedro Martinez played for the sox we always talked about how he was all done... I said they should have traded him 2 years before we did to get the best in return. I was wrong the guy is 5 - 0. What ever non-detectable steriods or HGH he is taking he should continue. I remember saying ha ha the Mets just messed up BIG time. I was wrong..........

[redsoxrules]

Talking to friends in the past when Pedro Martinez played for the sox we always talked about how he was all done... I said they should have traded him 2 years before we did to get the best in return. I was wrong the guy is 5 - 0. What ever non-detectable steriods or HGH he is taking he should continue. I remember saying ha ha the Mets just messed up BIG time. I was wrong..........

 

i was thinking the other way ,when they didnt sign him i was pissed ,but theres still a few years left in his contract so we will se how it turs out ,but so far ,last year he had a great year and this year even better so far, his stat to date:

 

53.2 IP, 30H, 19ER, 62K, .86WHIP , opponants just batting .164 just ridiculus

tied for the league lead in K's and leads the league among starting pitcher in WHIP and oponants batting average

 

 

 

theres only one problem for him so far he is giving the long ball alot

it will be interesting on his next start against the yanks VS mussina il be watcing that game

[See Red]

I'm eating my words too. Couldn't be happier to be wrong, to be honest. I love Pedro and I wish he can continue to prove us wrong for years and years to come!

[monty]

Alot of people thought the first 2 years of his 4 year deal would be Pedroish... Its the latter 2 years and the money the latter 2 year include that scared Boston away.

 

Im not worried and glad we have that extra money to use the net couple years.

 

If we signed pedro... We probally wouldnt have Josh Beckett.

[redsoxrules]

Alot of people thought the first 2 years of his 4 year deal would be Pedroish... Its the latter 2 years and the money the latter 2 year include that scared Boston away.

 

Im not worried and glad we have that extra money to use the net couple years.

 

If we signed pedro... We probally wouldnt have Josh Beckett.

 

extra money? boston would of still had extra money to use , pedro is worth every single penny of what he got , and why would he suck on the last 2 years of his contract? its not like he's 40.

[TheRivernator]

Pedro has learned how to pitch in the NL East. He used to be a fireballer with amazing offspeed pitches. Now he is a crafty righty who uses his offspeed stuff a lot more to get people off balance and will reach back for the occasional 93mph to blow a hitter away. He is special, and for a 4th yr you would have hung onto him...

[Sizzlin22]

I'm not as mad as not brining him back.. He's pitching in the NL East, theres no way he could keep this up routinely going angainst the Yankees, Jay's, O's, and even the D-Ray's can hit a little bit. He would not be pitching as well if eh were in a Sox uniform.

[Goalstopper]

I am glad for him. but i would prefer him in a red sox uni

[Teddyballgame10]

Come on you must be kidding me. Hes in the NL its so much easier his stats would be much worse had he been in the AL. I remember the last year with the soxs everytime out there it looked like he needed everything he had to finsh the outing. I see him all the time being in NY and itsd a breeze for him out there with no DH and weaker NL hitters. You might even see saterday against another AL time like the yankees it wont be such smooth sailing. Anyway its still the 2nd year of a 4 year contract. Its not the first 2 years the sox were scared off it was 3 and 4. i think it was still worth it even though I lvoe him

[Cocos Disciples]

i was thinking the other way ,when they didnt sign him i was pissed ,but theres still a few years left in his contract so we will se how it turs out ,but so far ,last year he had a great year and this year even better so far, his stat to date:

 

53.2 IP, 30H, 19ER, 62K, .86WHIP , opponants just batting .164 just ridiculus

tied for the league lead in K's and leads the league among starting pitcher in WHIP and oponants batting average

 

 

 

theres only one problem for him so far he is giving the long ball alot

it will be interesting on his next start against the yanks VS mussina il be watcing that game

 

Yeah I agree. He's doing well in the first half of the contract, but let's see when hes 35 and 36 in the tail end.

[MANNYHOF24]

Its wired because in 04, Pedro pitched 89-90 most of the time, and when he really needed it he got 93. But last year with the Mets I saw him hitting 95-96, however that veolocity tailed off in the second half of the season. This year he is back living around 90-91 however the man just knows how to pitch, and for that reason as long as Pedros Arm is attached to his body, he can still pitch maybe for another 3-4 years

[Goalstopper]

Come on you must be kidding me. Hes in the NL its so much easier his stats would be much worse had he been in the AL. I remember the last year with the soxs everytime out there it looked like he needed everything he had to finsh the outing. I see him all the time being in NY and itsd a breeze for him out there with no DH and weaker NL hitters. You might even see saterday against another AL time like the yankees it wont be such smooth sailing. Anyway its still the 2nd year of a 4 year contract. Its not the first 2 years the sox were scared off it was 3 and 4. i think it was still worth it even though I lvoe him

true the al and nl differential has a difference. but i would still like him here because he can still pitch in the AL. maybe not like the NL but he could throw pitches.

[empirestrikesback26]

He's predro martinez. His ass ages like wine.

[ahhchon]

Come on you must be kidding me. Hes in the NL its so much easier his stats would be much worse had he been in the AL. I remember the last year with the soxs everytime out there it looked like he needed everything he had to finsh the outing. I see him all the time being in NY and itsd a breeze for him out there with no DH and weaker NL hitters. You might even see saterday against another AL time like the yankees it wont be such smooth sailing. Anyway its still the 2nd year of a 4 year contract. Its not the first 2 years the sox were scared off it was 3 and 4. i think it was still worth it even though I lvoe him

 

do you watch baseball? when was the last time you saw pedro pitch? probably the world series or some sportscenter highlight. i've seen every single pedro game since he's left the sox, yeah that's right, EVERY SINGLE GAME.

 

the guy is a different pitcher (as stated earlier). he no longer tries to overpower with his fb (therefore increasing stamina), he's utilizing his great changeup and changing arm slots etc. he's a different pitcher, he's learning how to pitch so his body doesn't shut him down.

 

the NL is easier, but it's not that big of a difference, atlanta, washington, phili are all decent teams. face it, he's more dominant that any of us thought he would be. us, the fans screwed up, we thought he was done after 2-3 years max and now he's showing us he's changed and isn't done. it's that simple.

 

and he's not on roids.. give me a break, watch him pitch before you say something stupid. i bet no one in this thread has seen pedro pitch more than 2 full games since he's left the sox.

 

john

[guapo34]

Yes he's a different pitcher but I have to agree with Teddyballgame on this one. He'd be good in the American League, but i don't think he'd be contending for any cy youngs. I think his ERA would be in the high 3's and he wouldn't go as deep into ballgames. The AL East was really getting good at getting his pitch count up and taking advantage as he tired later in games.

 

He'd still be a good pitcher, but i think the NL has made a big difference. Just look at Bronson Arroyo.

[Mr Crunchy]

his fast ball tops out at 92

hes developed a great breaking ball and he still has the change up

hes also pitching in the national league which will knock 1-1.5 runs off your era

hes more of a complete pitcher than ever before

 

compare his#s from 04 against non al east teams and theyre very similiar to what hes doing now...

[ahhchon]

hes also pitching in the national league which will knock 1-1.5 runs off your era

 

to say that the AL and NL difference is 1-1.5 points off your era is a VERY BOLD statement.

 

that's like saying if peavy pitched in the al his era would be 3.8-4.3. i beg to differ. there is a great difference from a guy who has a sub 3 era in one league and a over 3 era in another.

 

the al nl difference is not just the dh, teams (for the most part) are managed differently. some pitchers thrive under those conditions, some don't. bronson arroyo is not the ends all reason that pitchers do better in the nl versus the al. you need to realize that he's going to a difference environment, different ballpark, teams have less footage on him. maybe it was the bit of confidence he got after a few good starts, maybe he's challenging batters in a way he's never done so in boston.

 

there are many reasons to why pitchers do better in one league than another, but to say the difference is 1-1.5 runs is rediculous. it's like saying peavy in 05 was just as good as radke in 05.

 

john

[guapo34]

While we can't judge too much from one start, we'll get some evidence tomorrow on just how effective pedro will be against an AL team. Luckily for him he'll still get to face a pitcher along with melky cabrera and bernie williams.

[a700hitter]

Pedro can pitrch in any league any where and he would dominate. He is the greatest pitcherof the last 40 years. It's as simple as that. It was a major blunder to let him go, and sign the likes of Clement and Wells.

[empirestrikesback26]

Pedro's line today:

7 IP

1 ER

3 Hits

12 K's

0 BB

 

Mets win 8-1.

[empirestrikesback26]

Pedro's line today:

7 IP

1 ER

3 Hits

12 K's

0 BB

 

Mets win 8-1.

Close in everything but the final score.

[mtbykr]

Pedro pitched a gem today and then the bullpen crapped the bed! It's pretty amazing how well he has adapted to his loss in velocity, fun to watch him pitch today!

[redsoxrules]

Come on you must be kidding me. Hes in the NL its so much easier his stats would be much worse had he been in the AL. I remember the last year with the soxs everytime out there it looked like he needed everything he had to finsh the outing. I see him all the time being in NY and itsd a breeze for him out there with no DH and weaker NL hitters. You might even see saterday against another AL time like the yankees it wont be such smooth sailing. Anyway its still the 2nd year of a 4 year contract. Its not the first 2 years the sox were scared off it was 3 and 4. i think it was still worth it even though I lvoe him

 

wrong! not only did he shut down the yanks it was his best performance of this year so far

[Teddyballgame10]

wrong! not only did he shut down the yanks it was his best performance of this year so far

 

I was at this game. It was a breeze for him. You are forgetting no matsui no sheff no posada. No DH still. When mussina came to the plate it was a joke even though he gave him a good AB the 2nd time.

[element1151]

Close in everything but the final score.

Yeah, too bad they lost that one.

[irishsoxphan]

yea, if i had the choice I would really still have pedro now. remember, we cant bash him, he was a vital part of 04 weather you choose to believe it or not.

[TheKilo]

yea, if i had the choice I would really still have pedro now. remember, we cant bash him, he was a vital part of 04 weather you choose to believe it or not.

 

 

You and 99% of Red Sox fans.

 

Can't bash Pedro.

[Dana Kiecker]

Im not sure what Wagner was doing in with a 4 run lead..

[Dana Kiecker]

Pedro can pitrch in any league any where and he would dominate. He is the greatest pitcherof the last 40 years. It's as simple as that. It was a major blunder to let him go, and sign the likes of Clement and Wells.

 

Nolan Ryan says Hello.

[TheKilo]

Nolan Ryan says Hello.

 

 

Nolan Ryan is overrated.

 

Pedro > Nolan