Be on alert

[TheRivernator]

another red sox site was just hacked by a person calling himself yeteam. The board makeup has competely changed and the background now says Invision Power. Also, the entire board is now called "hacked by yeteam". Be on alert, this guy might try to hack all sox sites.....

[NomahsHammSammich]

awww..wouldn't it be a shame if the humble, modest, kind folk at SOSH were hacked to Smithereens? After being a member there for over 1K posts... I can honestly say, it couldn't happen to a more deserving lot.

[SCM33]

When I left this site for a while, it was actually because they finally, after years of trying, accepted my application form.....then it kinda ran outta fun. Its not about baseball talk over there, rather......an advanced statistics class that I fell asleep in during my junior year of college.

 

Plus, if you arent one of the original members, they dont pay much attention to your posts anyway. They act like you werent there. I am going to guess that you had the username similar to the one you are using here right?

[NomahsHammSammich]

Yeah. I agree totally with what you said "sweet chin". I was there before Schilling came there..and was one of the posters who was talking to him the night in chat when he first signed. Curt is actually good for the site..because he talks "baseball." Most of the people there are just so into themselves and inventing some sort of statistical formula to quantify everything from OBP...to the arc of the sun flower seed spat from Josh Beckett's mouth. It is ridiculous. I cannot stand most of the assclowns on that site--the ones looking to mock everyone who is not up to snuff on the latest "Jamesian" creation.

 

It is funny. I browse through there now and again for personnel updates..they are usal really quick in reporting transactions. I saw a thread where a few of them were BASHING Schilling for being candid. The same fans who were slobbering all over his nads a year earlier..lol.. At least Schilling is a real person and not some poindexter, "Keyboard" tough guy trying to dump on someone who actually has talent.

 

And another thing. It is alwasy funny when you argue with the statheads..they will tell you what % of balls Willy-Mo Pena pulls, They will tell you who has the best average with RISP in a rainstrom, with humidity over 80%, with a dewpoint of 20...-- but ask them about "opening hips", staying "tall to the ball", or "lead hand extension" and they will fumble with their calculators looking between the sin and tan buttons until their f***ing eyes pop out of their skulls... When they don't find the "lead hand extension" button..they come back with.."You are a neanderthal, you are a simpleton who knows nothing about baseball." Now that is what really gets me.

 

I have forgotten, used, forgotten, re-used and thrown away more about baseball than every one of those blithering maroons. Most of them are all paper fans. I heard an observer watching the SOSH Softball outing actually called in for the Short Yellow Buses...they were that pathetic and are about as athletic as my televsion stand.

 

Honestly, that site is pathetic. It is fun to be at a couple of sites now that actually talk baseball and have fun..instead of being micro-analyzed by a bunch of self-professed statistical gurus.

[SCM33]

What the people over there dont realize, is that before the turn of the century, scouts actually had to watch players play and rate their skills using hands on tools instead of SPSS and other statistical engines to formulate statitisics to back up their points. All you really have to do is watch the Sox games and you can tell who can or can't play.

 

I love reading how they all dumped on Willy Mo when we got him, yet we are watching a transformation similar to that of David Ortiz with him. People over there don't appreciate the progressions he is making. If you look at tape from ST to now you see a completely different approach to hitting. Looks like people over at SOSH didnt take in account good coaching and mentoring by Papa Jack, Big Papi and Manny.

[NomahsHammSammich]

What the people over there dont realize, is that before the turn of the century, scouts actually had to watch players play and rate their skills using hands on tools instead of SPSS and other statistical engines to formulate statitisics to back up their points. All you really have to do is watch the Sox games and you can tell who can or can't play.

 

I love reading how they all dumped on Willy Mo when we got him, yet we are watching a transformation similar to that of David Ortiz with him. People over there don't appreciate the progressions he is making. If you look at tape from ST to now you see a completely different approach to hitting. Looks like people over at SOSH didnt take in account good coaching and mentoring by Papa Jack, Big Papi and Manny.

 

Why would they? You cannot measure Papa Jack's influence using quantative analysis!

 

Don't get me wrong. I use stats.. I am a Fantasy Baseball Geek.. And some of the more advanced stats like DIPS and VORP are very useful...stats are VERY useful tools for measuring performance....but they are not all that encompasses the game..and that is my problem with those people.

[redoctober]

Yeah. I agree totally with what you said "sweet chin". I was there before Schilling came there..and was one of the posters who was talking to him the night in chat when he first signed. Curt is actually good for the site..because he talks "baseball." Most of the people there are just so into themselves and inventing some sort of statistical formula to quantify everything from OBP...to the arc of the sun flower seed spat from Josh Beckett's mouth. It is ridiculous. I cannot stand most of the assclowns on that site--the ones looking to mock everyone who is not up to snuff on the latest "Jamesian" creation.

 

It is funny. I browse through there now and again for personnel updates..they are usal really quick in reporting transactions. I saw a thread where a few of them were BASHING Schilling for being candid. The same fans who were slobbering all over his nads a year earlier..lol.. At least Schilling is a real person and not some poindexter, "Keyboard" tough guy trying to dump on someone who actually has talent.

 

And another thing. It is alwasy funny when you argue with the statheads..they will tell you what % of balls Willy-Mo Pena pulls, They will tell you who has the best average with RISP in a rainstrom, with humidity over 80%, with a dewpoint of 20...-- but ask them about "opening hips", staying "tall to the ball", or "lead hand extension" and they will fumble with their calculators looking between the sin and tan buttons until their f***ing eyes pop out of their skulls... When they don't find the "lead hand extension" button..they come back with.."You are a neanderthal, you are a simpleton who knows nothing about baseball." Now that is what really gets me.

 

I have forgotten, used, forgotten, re-used and thrown away more about baseball than every one of those blithering maroons. Most of them are all paper fans. I heard an observer watching the SOSH Softball outing actually called in for the Short Yellow Buses...they were that pathetic and are about as athletic as my televsion stand.

 

Honestly, that site is pathetic. It is fun to be at a couple of sites now that actually talk baseball and have fun..instead of being micro-analyzed by a bunch of self-professed statistical gurus.

 

 

I'm a stat head myself, "sabermetrician," and I hate to break it to you, but statistical analysis has been very useful to the sport of baseball. I understand scouting is very useful, and one who just simply watches the game could point out whos good and whos not. However, sabermetrics is just an objective way of looking at the game. Is there anything wrong with that? Or is it that you can't handle the truth that could break your distorted perception of a favorite player?

 

Also, the Sox are built on statistical analysis (as well as cost effectiveness too). Bill James, the brainchild of sabermetrics works for the Red Sox front office, and Theo is also a big believer in it. Yes theres still plenty of flaws within the system, but I know plenty of people out there researching, and coming up with new ways of making the system more accurate, especially the projection stats. You should take the time to learn it, and enhance your baseball knowledge. Complexity doesn't make you stupid.

[SCM33]

I'm a stat head myself, "sabermetrician," and I hate to break it to you, but statistical analysis has been very useful to the sport of baseball. I understand scouting is very useful, and one who just simply watches the game could point out whos good and whos not. However, sabermetrics is just an objective way of looking at the game. Is there anything wrong with that? Or is it that you can't handle the truth that could break your distorted perception of a favorite player?

 

Also, the Sox are built on statistical analysis (as well as cost effectiveness too). Bill James, the brainchild of sabermetrics works for the Red Sox front office, and Theo is also a big believer in it. Yes theres still plenty of flaws within the system, but I know plenty of people out there researching, and coming up with new ways of making the system more accurate, especially the projection stats. You should take the time to learn it, and enhance your baseball knowledge. Complexion doesn't make you stupid.

 

 

We both posted over at SOSH. We know it very well, probably better than you do. Fact is, it gets old, and I think we are tired of ALWAYS looking at it through saber minds, which is why we came back here. I think sabers are the ones who have a hard time looking at the game with an outside view becuase they are too busy calculating the thousands of formulas to back up arguments. You can find any mathmatical significance if you look hard enough and nobody has been able to put together a formula which equals a good ballplayer, or a good team. Look at Oakland for instance, Billy ball gets them into the playoffs, nothing more. What has Mark Bellhorn done since leaving Boston? The thing is, all those calculations looked great when he was doing well in Boston, and everyone fell in love with sabermetrics, but does that indicate how good of a ballplayer Bellhorn is? No. Its very subjective and fun to talk about but in the end its no more accurate than any other theory, which is in itself argumentative. There is no formula for success, sometimes the numbers work out, sometimes they dont, but its when stat heads insult people who have just as much insight that I have a problem with. I am a very educated baseball mind and know all about sabermetrics, but came to the conclusion that it is not the end all for baseball discussion. People at SOSH dont understand that.

[americantrotter]

There are quite a few post/posters worth reading at SOSH, but they are pretty obsessed with stats and shouting each other down. The quality started going down last year, and too many threads are stat driven now. I know they like low noise level, but baseball is a game watched with the eyes as well.

[Soxfan1]

Is this the same site that hacked the Manny Ramirez forum?

[redoctober]

We both posted over at SOSH. We know it very well, probably better than you do. Fact is, it gets old, and I think we are tired of ALWAYS looking at it through saber minds, which is why we came back here. I think sabers are the ones who have a hard time looking at the game with an outside view becuase they are too busy calculating the thousands of formulas to back up arguments. You can find any mathmatical significance if you look hard enough and nobody has been able to put together a formula which equals a good ballplayer, or a good team. Look at Oakland for instance, Billy ball gets them into the playoffs, nothing more. What has Mark Bellhorn done since leaving Boston? The thing is, all those calculations looked great when he was doing well in Boston, and everyone fell in love with sabermetrics, but does that indicate how good of a ballplayer Bellhorn is? No. Its very subjective and fun to talk about but in the end its no more accurate than any other theory, which is in itself argumentative. There is no formula for success, sometimes the numbers work out, sometimes they dont, but its when stat heads insult people who have just as much insight that I have a problem with. I am a very educated baseball mind and know all about sabermetrics, but came to the conclusion that it is not the end all for baseball discussion. People at SOSH dont understand that.

 

 

It will be with more research and accurate formulas. I've noticed a glaring similarity with people who don't believe sabermetrics helps us understand the game of baseball better and that is: they think analyzing with the eyes tells you everything. However, that couldn't be more untrue. I even noticed this once I started getting into sabermetrics. I couldn't believe how distorted my view of the game was. Actually, I haven't been to SOSH yet, but I may just give it a view later on to see exactly what you're talking about. Because I don't think it's accurate or right to say that this forum is any better because we're more simple with our discussions instead of delving into statistics. Theres nothing wrong with statistical analysis. It does not hurt the game of baseball, it only makes teams dig up the dark horses that maybe they wouldn't have looked into years ago.

 

 

By the way, the playoffs are a crapshoot as Beane once said, and that statement is true. If last years playoffs were played all over again, we'd probably crown a new World Series champion.

[redoctober]

I know Tango Tiger over there. That guy has done some excellent work. Really, I don't see what the fuss is all about.

[NomahsHammSammich]

It will be with more research and accurate formulas. I've noticed a glaring similarity with people who don't believe sabermetrics helps us understand the game of baseball better and that is: they think analyzing with the eyes tells you everything. However, that couldn't be more untrue. I even noticed this once I started getting into sabermetrics. I couldn't believe how distorted my view of the game was. Actually, I haven't been to SOSH yet, but I may just give it a view later on to see exactly what you're talking about. Because I don't think it's accurate or right to say that this forum is any better because we're more simple with our discussions instead of delving into statistics. Theres nothing wrong with statistical analysis. It does not hurt the game of baseball, it only makes teams dig up the dark horses that maybe they wouldn't have looked into years ago.

 

 

By the way, the playoffs are a crapshoot as Beane once said, and that statement is true. If last years playoffs were played all over again, we'd probably crown a new World Series champion.

 

 

 

Who said there was anything wrong with statistical analysis>? I said in BOTH of my posts that it is VERY useful. It is when someone shoves it down your throat as the ONLY way of evaluating a player that I take offense to. Statistical Analysis would have told us that Edgar Renteria would have been a very good player for the Red Sox..well, he wasn't. Statistical analysis told us that Scott Sauerback would be a DEADLY LOOGY for us...HE SUCKED. No method of talent evaluation is fool proof. Using stats combined with conventional scouting is the key.

 

I take offense when myopic sabremetricians tell you they "know" the game better than someone who has been playing, scouting, and studying the game for 30 years. That is the type of people you have at SOSH. People who were not even baseball fans, but when they found out baseball was a cool way to play with numbers...decided to THEN become fans...these are the people who rub me the wrong way when they try and tell people who have made baseball their life...they don't know what the hell they are talking about.

 

Another thing... Who would you rather have in RF in their Prime? Paul O'Neill or Gary Sheffield? 3rd base??? Scott Brosius or Alex Rodriguez? 1st base??? Tino Martinez or Jason Giambi? All Sabremetricians would go with Sheffield/A-rod/and Giambi..yet that potent triumverate has yet to win a Championship? Why is that? Is Chemistry a factor to winning Championships? I think it is.. Sabremetricians will tell you it isn't.

[americantrotter]

I think the fuss is the sniping, the superior attitudes, the members only forum concept, and the overall reliance on stats.

 

We do have a stat head in Theo, who also believes in scouting. That is the perfect mix. Using stats to project, and explain the difficult to distinguish talents. Scouting though is also majorly important, because numbers arent going to tell you "how" to handle certasin situations, only "what" brings a higher probability of success.

[KeepTheFaith1229]

I don't understand how people hack sites...

[NomahsHammSammich]

I think the fuss is the sniping, the superior attitudes, the members only forum concept, and the overall reliance on stats.

 

We do have a stat head in Theo, who also believes in scouting. That is the perfect mix. Using stats to project, and explain the difficult to distinguish talents. Scouting though is also majorly important, because numbers arent going to tell you "how" to handle certasin situations, only "what" brings a higher probability of success.

 

 

Bingo..end of thread..very nicely put.

[redoctober]

Who said there was anything wrong with statistical analysis>? I said in BOTH of my posts that it is VERY useful. It is when someone shoves it down your throat as the ONLY way of evaluating a player that I take offense to. Statistical Analysis would have told us that Edgar Renteria would have been a very good player for the Red Sox..well, he wasn't. Statistical analysis told us that Scott Sauerback would be a DEADLY LOOGY for us...HE SUCKED. No method of talent evaluation is fool proof. Using stats combined with conventional scouting is the key.

 

I take offense when myopic sabremetricians tell you they "know" the game better than someone who has been playing, scouting, and studying the game for 30 years. That is the type of people you have at SOSH. People who were not even baseball fans, but when they found out baseball was a cool way to play with numbers...decided to THEN become fans...these are the people who rub me the wrong way when they try and tell people who have made baseball their life...they don't know what the hell they are talking about.

 

Another thing... Who would you rather have in RF in their Prime? Paul O'Neill or Gary Sheffield? 3rd base??? Scott Brosius or Alex Rodriguez? 1st base??? Tino Martinez or Jason Giambi? All Sabremetricians would go with Sheffield/A-rod/and Giambi..yet that potent triumverate has yet to win a Championship? Why is that? Is Chemistry a factor to winning Championships? I think it is.. Sabremetricians will tell you it isn't.

 

 

And look at how Edgar is doing this year in Atlanta. Yes, it's the National League he's playing in, but I think you were trying to hit home with the Edgar statement, and you only reached 2nd. Now, I did a cursory check of the Sons of Sam Horn forums so I can't give you an informed opinion as of yet, but they seem like baseball junkies, just like you and me. Just because they're more stat driven doesn't dilute the inner fan in them. As for scouting, who says I was against scouting? I respect scouts, and I always look at scouting reports, as well as the stats. As far as your last statement goes concerning chemistry, it's a little bit overrated. You can have all the chemistry you want, but if all of your players are hitting below the Mendoza line you're going to have a 100+ loss season. Production is the bottomline, and sabermetrics helps.

[redoctober]

I think the fuss is the sniping, the superior attitudes, the members only forum concept, and the overall reliance on stats.

 

We do have a stat head in Theo, who also believes in scouting. That is the perfect mix. Using stats to project, and explain the difficult to distinguish talents. Scouting though is also majorly important, because numbers arent going to tell you "how" to handle certasin situations, only "what" brings a higher probability of success.

 

What about Bill James being apart of the Red Sox braintrust? He's the brainchild of sabermetrics. So don't tell me the Red Sox are not a sabermetric team. They're like a high powered Oakland A's.

 

Yes they take into consideration of costs, just like any franchise does, and yes Theo also believes in scouting, and so do I, but the bottomline is, the team is based on sabermetrics.

 

Also, who doesn't want a higher probability of success? I don't know what point you were trying to make with that, but it wasn't logical.

[NomahsHammSammich]

And look at how Edgar is doing this year in Atlanta. Yes, it's the National League he's playing in, but I think you were trying to hit home with the Edgar statement, and you only reached 2nd. Now, I did a cursory check of the Sons of Sam Horn forums so I can't give you an informed opinion as of yet, but they seem like baseball junkies, just like you and me. Just because they're more stat driven doesn't dilute the inner fan in them. As for scouting, who says I was against scouting? I respect scouts, and I always look at scouting reports, as well as the stats. As far as your last statement goes concerning chemistry, it's a little bit overrated. You can have all the chemistry you want, but if all of your players are hitting below the Mendoza line you're going to have a 100+ loss season. Production is the bottomline, and sabermetrics helps.

 

 

Who cares what Edgar Renteria is doing now? HE STUNK for us. My point was there was no accurate quantification for what moving to a Baseball Crazed city like Boston in the AL would be like for Renteria. I heard rumblings when he first left St. Louis from the manager..Larussa, who said that he wouldn't be able to hack it in Boston.. and he was right. But looking solely at numbers..he should have FLOURISHED in a hitters park like Fenway..why didn't he? Please, give me a formula to figure out the downward spiral Edgar Renteria took last year in a Boston uni. in a hitters park(PF, I am sure you are familiar with this lovely sabre stat)..hitting in front of the best #3 and #4 hitter combo in Baseball(By FAR).... Please, you are losing this argument--and not by a small margin.

 

Nobody is saying sabremetrics are not important--and useful.. What we are saying is that you cannot figure out everything in baseball 100% accurately taking ONLY satistics into account.

[redoctober]

Who cares what Edgar Renteria is doing now? HE STUNK for us. My point was there was no accurate quantification for what moving to a Baseball Crazed city like Boston in the AL would be like for Renteria. I heard rumblings when he first left St. Louis from the manager..Larussa, who said that he wouldn't be able to hack it in Boston.. and he was right. But looking solely at numbers..he should have FLOURISHED in a hitters park like Fenway..why didn't he? Please, give me a formula to figure out the downward spiral Edgar Renteria took last year in a Boston uni. in a hitters park(PF, I am sure you are familiar with this lovely sabre stat)..hitting in front of the best #3 and #4 hitter combo in Baseball(By FAR).... Please, you are losing this argument--and not by a small margin.

 

Whoa, whats with the hostility? Yes, you're right in a hitters park like Fenway, Renteria should have put up stellar offensive numbers last season, but he didn't. We all know that. However, if you read my previous posts on the first page of this thread I have not once claimed sabermetrics as an infallible system, nor will it ever be. There are people out there researching and analyzing and coming up with more accurate formulas, particularly projection stats to get the whole system closer to the infallible extreme.

[NomahsHammSammich]

Whoa, whats with the hostility? Yes, you're right in a hitters park like Fenway, Renteria should have put up stellar offensive numbers last season, but he didn't. We all know that. However, if you read my previous posts on the first page of this thread I have not once claimed sabermetrics as an infallible system, nor will it ever be. There are people out there researching and analyzing and coming up with more accurate formulas, particularly projection stats to get the whole system closer to the infallible extreme.

 

 

I guess the hostility?(wouldn't really call it that) is stemming from the fact that you continue to imply that I do not respect sabremetrics as a viable and accurate means of evaluation. I have stated over and over again that I do respect it's place in baseball.

[KeepTheFaith1229]

Riv, what site was it?

[americantrotter]

What about Bill James being apart of the Red Sox braintrust? He's the brainchild of sabermetrics. So don't tell me the Red Sox are not a sabermetric team. They're like a high powered Oakland A's.

 

Yes they take into consideration of costs, just like any franchise does, and yes Theo also believes in scouting, and so do I, but the bottomline is, the team is based on sabermetrics.

 

Also, who doesn't want a higher probability of success? I don't know what point you were trying to make with that, but it wasn't logical

 

Umm......I like Bill James. Love his work, but that's why I love Theo. He likes scouts too. I never said that the Red Sox didnt heavily use stats like James comes up with, only that it wasnt their ONLY approach.

 

Umm....you dont make sense. I will state again. Knowing WHAT is most likely to bring success is much different than knowing how your guy can do it. For all of the dominance of Red Sox hitting in 04, we crushed the Cardinals because we flat out shut them down offensively after game 1. That's scouting to your strengths.

 

 

I think everyone here understands the importance of scouting and numbers. It just depends on your own personality how you like to discuss baseball. SOSH can be a great site, (and I know they appreciate scouts too) I just dont like what I am seeing as much anymore.

[NomahsHammSammich]

I think everyone here understands the importance of scouting and numbers. It just depends on your own personality how you like to discuss baseball. SOSH can be a great site, (and I know they appreciate scouts too) I just dont like what I am seeing as much anymore.

 

It really turned into a bitchfest. One of the Statistical guru's..EricVan, got hired by the Sox..so it is like everyone there is vying to follow in his footsteps and prove that they too are geniuse's.

[americantrotter]

I know, I've been lurking since the Schilling thing, and there are too many people telling others that they hold the key to subjective arguments because they have heard of VORP.

[redoctober]

Umm......I like Bill James. Love his work, but that's why I love Theo. He likes scouts too. I never said that the Red Sox didnt heavily use stats like James comes up with, only that it wasnt their ONLY approach.

 

Umm....you dont make sense. I will state again. Knowing WHAT is most likely to bring success is much different than knowing how your guy can do it. For all of the dominance of Red Sox hitting in 04, we crushed the Cardinals because we flat out shut them down offensively after game 1. That's scouting to your strengths.

 

 

I think everyone here understands the importance of scouting and numbers. It just depends on your own personality how you like to discuss baseball. SOSH can be a great site, (and I know they appreciate scouts too) I just dont like what I am seeing as much anymore.

 

 

Going by numbers heading into that World Series I knew right away that the Red Sox had better pitching. Actually, I didn't even need to use statistics for that one, but now it solidifies that statement. Also, what the hell are you talking about to begin your second paragraph? Over a large sample size if you see using one pitcher over another increases your odds of success, wouldn't you not make that move?

[americantrotter]

If numbers tell you that the Yankees cant hit 95 MPH or faster, that doesnt mean your staff can throw it. That's why you have scouts, to chart a gameplan you can actually use. (Simple example I know)

 

Going by numbers heading into that World Series I knew right away that the Red Sox had better pitching. Actually, I didn't even need to use statistics for that one, but now it solidifies that statement. Also, what the hell are you talking about to begin your second paragraph? Over a large sample size if you see using one pitcher over another increases your odds of success, wouldn't you not make that move?

 

We had better pitchers than the Cardinals in 04, but pitchers dont pitch against each other. They shut us down fairly well too, it was just that our pitching was dominant.

 

If you havent figured out my second paragraph from my earlier posts, than I am done trying to explain it.

 

Of course I would use a pitcher who had a better probability of success, what I wouldnt do is assume that my RHP would shut down a statistically weak hitting RHP lineup. Every pitcher is different, and a scout who has seen a team/player could tell you if that probability holds with my pitcher.

 

Another simple example, lefties crush righties, but there is always that righty who flips the table because of the movement on his pitches.

[He Hate Me]

Yeah. I agree totally with what you said "sweet chin". I was there before Schilling came there..and was one of the posters who was talking to him the night in chat when he first signed. Curt is actually good for the site..because he talks "baseball." Most of the people there are just so into themselves and inventing some sort of statistical formula to quantify everything from OBP...to the arc of the sun flower seed spat from Josh Beckett's mouth. It is ridiculous. I cannot stand most of the assclowns on that site--the ones looking to mock everyone who is not up to snuff on the latest "Jamesian" creation.

 

It is funny. I browse through there now and again for personnel updates..they are usal really quick in reporting transactions. I saw a thread where a few of them were BASHING Schilling for being candid. The same fans who were slobbering all over his nads a year earlier..lol.. At least Schilling is a real person and not some poindexter, "Keyboard" tough guy trying to dump on someone who actually has talent.

 

And another thing. It is alwasy funny when you argue with the statheads..they will tell you what % of balls Willy-Mo Pena pulls, They will tell you who has the best average with RISP in a rainstrom, with humidity over 80%, with a dewpoint of 20...-- but ask them about "opening hips", staying "tall to the ball", or "lead hand extension" and they will fumble with their calculators looking between the sin and tan buttons until their f***ing eyes pop out of their skulls... When they don't find the "lead hand extension" button..they come back with.."You are a neanderthal, you are a simpleton who knows nothing about baseball." Now that is what really gets me.

 

I have forgotten, used, forgotten, re-used and thrown away more about baseball than every one of those blithering maroons. Most of them are all paper fans. I heard an observer watching the SOSH Softball outing actually called in for the Short Yellow Buses...they were that pathetic and are about as athletic as my televsion stand.

 

Honestly, that site is pathetic. It is fun to be at a couple of sites now that actually talk baseball and have fun..instead of being micro-analyzed by a bunch of self-professed statistical gurus.

 

QFT...

 

I couldn't agree with you more. When I would discuss baseball in the past with people, it would be about who had the best looking swing, who had the best follow etc. Nowadays, it's all about someone's RISP with a 1 run lead and after the 7th inning, which I think is a stat called CL. It might work for some people, but personally it's information overload IMO and takes the fun out of it.

[SCM33]

QFT...

 

I couldn't agree with you more. When I would discuss baseball in the past with people, it would be about who had the best looking swing, who had the best follow etc. Nowadays, it's all about someone's RISP with a 1 run lead and after the 7th inning, which I think is a stat called CL. It might work for some people, but personally it's information overload IMO and takes the fun out of it.

 

 

We should come up with our own way of evaluating players.:thumbsup:

 

There are many ways to analyze a player, I think people should be open to all of them. Stats are great, but like I said....generally you can tell what a player is doing wrong, or how they will perform by watching them. Stats will tell you if they are currently succeeding, but how they swing, their arm slot, their front shoulder, their footwork and their reads on balls tell you alot more about the player as a whole.

[yeszir]

Talksox is superior to all other message boards. We all get along here. It's like one big family.