Giambi - Lingering Questions

[bobby jr]

Well Jason Giambi jacked two HR's on Sunday to help the Yankees beat my Orioles. Now when you consider only a year ago he was almost sent to the minor leagues, this man has regained all of his skills even in his mid 30's and he is hitting HR's like he may win MVP again.

 

Now I don't know if Giambi is "back on the juice" or not, but let's face it with his past history some serious questions remain to be answered.

 

How can he be hitting HR's now like he was when he was presumably taking steroids according to leaked grand jury testimony? If he came clean, one would expect his HR totals to diminish. Does this mean the steroids were not helping him hit HR's? Or is there some other explanation?

 

MLB still does not test for Human Growth hormone. I wish that they did. It is a shame that these questions remain, but pretending that they don't exist is not going to get anything solved.

 

Here is an excerpt from a article about a new book the steroid scandal which mentions Giambi

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/03/23/sportsline/main1432306.shtml

 

"Giambi, the 2000 American League MVP when he played with Oakland, developed a relationship with Anderson during a baseball exhibition trip to Japan in 2002, by which time he had signed with the Yankees, the authors wrote.

 

The book said Giambi wanted to learn "what was Anderson doing to keep Bonds playing at so high a level. Could Anderson help Giambi, too?" Giambi later flew to Bay Area and met Anderson at a gym, and that the pair went to the hospital to have Giambi's blood drawn and take a blood and urine sample to BALCO.

 

The book said Giambi tested positive for Deca-Durabolin, and that Anderson advised the slugger he would fail baseball's new drug test, which was starting in the upcoming season.

 

Anderson then started Giambi on a cycle of testosterone, saying the hormone would clear his system before he was tested by the league. Calendars seized by government agents show Giambi took drugs similar to Bonds. "

 

"I have nothing to say. I haven't seen it," Giambi said at New York Yankees camp in Tampa, Fla.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

IMO your preaching to the choir. Obv he could still be using HGH. In fact he could be using a new designer steriod that MLB doesnt test for. Ouestions will always surround players like Bonds, Giambi, and others.

[rician blast]

IMO your preaching to the choir. Obv he could still be using HGH. In fact he could be using a new designer steriod that MLB doesnt test for. Ouestions will always surround players like Bonds, Giambi, and others.

 

 

for all we know he could be "juicing" by visiting the Meadowlands horse stables and bobbing for horse semen.

[He Hate Me]

I'll just say this. I wouldn't be shocked at all if he was still on the juice. Not one bit.

[Optimist]

for all we know he could be "juicing" by visiting the Meadowlands horse stables and bobbing for horse semen.

 

Go away.

[schillingouttheks]

Yeah, I agree. I've only seen some pretty disgusting posts of his. Whatever.

 

I agree with what's been said though. I wouldn't be surprised either.

[YazYaz04]

i agree with alexthegreat, theres always going to be new drugs to test for. Until baseball does something about preventing new drugs (which is virtually impossible) there will always be speculation about bonds, giambi. They need to work on combating the new stuff just as much as the old.

[schillingouttheks]

Recently, I've pretty much convinced myself that most baseball players are on some type of performance enhancement drug/steroid. I really wouldn't be surprised if it's much more popular than we all think. Steroids and performance enhancers may have unfortunately just become a part of the game now. I hope to God I'm wrong, but I really wouldn't be surprised if I'm right.

[Soxfan1]

This is another BS thread. Giambi ovbiously isn't on steiroids and he sure as hell ain't visiting the Meadowlands horse stables and bobbing for horse semen.

[jsinger121]

This is another BS thread. Giambi ovbiously isn't on steiroids and he sure as hell ain't visiting the Meadowlands horse stables and bobbing for horse semen.

 

He might not be on steroids but he could easily be on Human Growth Hormone something MLB doesn't test for.

[TheRivernator]

the funniest thing about this thread is that nobody on here have any f***ing clue about what they are talking about. His 2004 season was ruined because he had a brain tumor in his pituitary. For those of you who have no medical sense at all, just consider that the gland that controls all other glands. It is regulated by the brain, but I wont go into that. If that is off, then there are about a thousand diseases that can ruin you and the majority of them present with severe and unrelenting fatigue. He was so wiped that he couldnt even get out of bed, let alone hit a baseball. His steroid use has given him major muscle bulk and the majority of that wont go away so long as he lifts regularly. Also, the fact that he had a brain tumor previously that could have been linked to steroid, testosterone, or HGH use means that it is likely to recur if he were to take them again. Seeing as he is healthy currently, I'll say he is finally clean....

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

Also, the fact that he had a brain tumor previously that could have been linked to steroid, testosterone, or HGH use means that it is likely to recur if he were to take them again. Seeing as he is healthy currently, I'll say he is finally clean....

I dont like to argue against players on my team but for arguements sake lets say his tumor was caused by regular steroid use and not HGH. Could he use HGH and not get a tumor? In the end we can assume what the cause of the tumor was but we really dont know.

[TheRivernator]

I dont like to argue against players on my team but for arguements sake lets say his tumor was caused by regular steroid use and not HGH. Could he use HGH and not get a tumor? In the end we can assume what the cause of the tumor was but we really dont know.

 

It is possible, but seeing as the whole diagnosis wasnt released means that it is mostly speculation. BUT, anything that can throw off his HPA axis could cause growth of specific pituitary tumors. He isnt smart enough to not screw himself up....

[ORS]

I thought one of the big risks associated with the use of HGH was the acceleration in the growth of tumors. I don't recall reading anything about steroids that suggests they have this same side effect, but I'm no expert.

[ahhchon]

he's been caught once, he can't be dumb enough to do it again..

 

the guy is a great baseball player, steroid or not he's still damn good and has a great eye.

 

john

[TheRivernator]

I thought one of the big risks associated with the use of HGH was the acceleration in the growth of tumors. I don't recall reading anything about steroids that suggests they have this same side effect, but I'm no expert.

 

The pituitary controls the production of steroids in the body to a degree. It also contains HGH and many other hormones. Thowing off one can cause disasterous results if unregulated....

[He Hate Me]

he's been caught once, he can't be dumb enough to do it again..

 

the guy is a great baseball player, steroid or not he's still damn good and has a great eye.

 

john

 

thats the problem witht he current policy. Until they can check blood samples, there WILL ALWAYS be that doubt. If I were Giambi and was clean, I would voluntarily do a blood test just so ppl know I'm legit. And don't give me that s about privacy, there are some prices u have to pay for cheating.

 

yeah great eye, great guy, blah blah I 100% agree. Still, he cheated, and I'm willing to forgive that, but he will always be tainted unless he submits himself to voluntary blood testing. Part of me is also extremely pissed that this loser's steroids driven contract is on our roster.

[a700hitter]

Once a cheater always a cheater. His apology was ********. If he was honest, he would have said that he was sorry that he got caught.

[schillingouttheks]

Even though I still consider him a cheater, he did salvage some respect that I have for him by openly admitting it and not pointing any fingers while saying he didn't.

 

That being said, if it turns out that he still is on some sort of steroid, my respect for him will diminish completely. And even though I wouldn't be surprised if he was, as far as my respect goes...innocent until proven guilty.

[26 to 6]

Of coarse lets leave it to Bobby Jr. to start this thread up again. (For those of you who werent here last season, there was a huge billion pae long thread on this because all the Sox fans were pissed Giambi was hitting well again.)

[26 to 6]

Edit: Double Post

[26 to 6]

Recently, I've pretty much convinced myself that most baseball players are on some type of performance enhancement drug/steroid. I really wouldn't be surprised if it's much more popular than we all think. Steroids and performance enhancers may have unfortunately just become a part of the game now. I hope to God I'm wrong, but I really wouldn't be surprised if I'm right.

Thats because they are/were. Everybody was taking greenies and whatnot, which are now illegal in baseball and tested for.

 

The way I see this whole steroid thing is this. It's not fair to villify these guys who have taken steroids because so many players have done so. I mean, I dont even think they contribute much to performance. f***, Wally Joyner took steroids. There were hundreds of Minor Leaguers suspended last year for using steroids, a dozen or so this year as well. Guys like Tony Saunders, Wilson Alvarez (two guys Canseco ratted out in his book) werent/arent great players, by any stretch of the imagination. To me, what steroids does is makes guys look big and add a little strength. I however know that it takes much more than strength to hit a baseball and drive it. A lot of these superstar players who have been accused or admitted using steroids would have hit those home runs anyway. Not as many of course, but most of them.

 

Now for my theory on motivation for taking steroids. Simple. To get an edge. I dont look at these guys who took steroids and think of them as bad guys/cheaters. I mean, we've all cheated at some point in our lives to get something done. For us High School age kids, you cant deny that you havent copied a friend's homework 5 minutes before class. Maybe some of you guys out there told a little white lie on your resume or something. Should we treat you guys the way the Giambi's, Bonds, and Canseco's of the world are treated? I mean, I dont blame any of them for taking steroids. Like Mike Schmidt said, I would have taken them too if I was in their position. Its comparable to getitng snowtires in the winter or something. Just something to help you out and give you an advantage. Studying really hard for a huge test or something. Same s***.

 

Now dont get me wrong, i'm not promoting or condoning the use of it. I'm just saying I understand it and everything. Obviously, because it is illegal , it is wrong. And that's why so many people are making a big deal out of it. If it was legal nbody would care. PLayers dump a lot of legal s*** in their body that enhance their performance, but we dont hear about it because their legal. Are they cheaters? Their not doing it naturally either. The way I see it, the past 10-15 years or so was the steroid era. Cool, great, fine. Thats always gonna be and nothing we can do is going to change it. Its like the deadball era, the cookie-cutter/tacky era, etc. Baseball is moving on from it, taking the right steps with the drug testing policy and everything. Lets just take it from there. Lets move into a new era of baseball.

[Manny Goes Boom]

Now for my theory on motivation for taking steroids. Simple. To get an edge. I dont look at these guys who took steroids and think of them as bad guys/cheaters. I mean, we've all cheated at some point in our lives to get something done. For us High School age kids, you cant deny that you havent copied a friend's homework 5 minutes before class. Maybe some of you guys out there told a little white lie on your resume or something. Should we treat you guys the way the Giambi's, Bonds, and Canseco's of the world are treated? I mean, I dont blame any of them for taking steroids. Like Mike Schmidt said, I would have taken them too if I was in their position. Its comparable to getitng snowtires in the winter or something. Just something to help you out and give you an advantage. Studying really hard for a huge test or something. Same s***.

 

Now dont get me wrong, i'm not promoting or condoning the use of it. I'm just saying I understand it and everything. Obviously, because it is illegal , it is wrong. And that's why so many people are making a big deal out of it. If it was legal nbody would care. PLayers dump a lot of legal s*** in their body that enhance their performance, but we dont hear about it because their legal. Are they cheaters? Their not doing it naturally either. The way I see it, the past 10-15 years or so was the steroid era. Cool, great, fine. Thats always gonna be and nothing we can do is going to change it. Its like the deadball era, the cookie-cutter/tacky era, etc. Baseball is moving on from it, taking the right steps with the drug testing policy and everything. Lets just take it from there. Lets move into a new era of baseball.

 

They get an UNFAIR advantage...and yes that's cheating.

 

And you said you'd take them too if you were in their position, but your not promoting using them??? :dunno:

[Manny Goes Boom]

Hey, as long as Giambi hits while he's not playing the Sox, and the yanks gain no ground I'm happy (as he is on my fantasy team, )

[TheRivernator]

thats the problem witht he current policy. Until they can check blood samples, there WILL ALWAYS be that doubt. If I were Giambi and was clean, I would voluntarily do a blood test just so ppl know I'm legit. And don't give me that s about privacy, there are some prices u have to pay for cheating.

 

yeah great eye, great guy, blah blah I 100% agree. Still, he cheated, and I'm willing to forgive that, but he will always be tainted unless he submits himself to voluntary blood testing. Part of me is also extremely pissed that this loser's steroids driven contract is on our roster.

 

if he submits to a blood test, the union may expell him...

[ORS]

I however know that it takes much more than strength to hit a baseball and drive it.

Like hand-eye coordination? If steroids could improve that, then there is a real advantage, but steroids haven't been known to do that. But, what if there were a drug that got you to see better and improved how your brain processes information, wouldn't improving those two things likely improve hand-eye coordination? I think it would, and two of the benefits of HGH are improved eye-sight and brain function, as well as improved visuospatial performance (likely due to the improvements of the other two).

 

HGH is the real unfair advantage IMO, and the current policy does nothing to stop the use of it.

[TheRivernator]

that is the biggest crock of crap I have ever seen. Improved eyesight? Better brain function? Tell that to a guy with acromegaly, and if you want to sound medical, look that up. Don't spread crap around here....

[He Hate Me]

that is the biggest crock of crap I have ever seen. Improved eyesight? Better brain function? Tell that to a guy with acromegaly, and if you want to sound medical, look that up. Don't spread crap around here....

 

go a Google for HGH and Improved eyesight.

[TheRivernator]

I did, and it is total f***ing garbage. There is ZERO scientific evidence that HGH improves eyesight, none. If you will take anything that google has to offer you as fact, then you'll be in trouble...

[TheRivernator]

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this is on the bottom ogf all these holistic shitbags. A lot of holistics is ********....