trouble with the 'pen

[Anuj09]

Umm Why has our bullpen straight up SUCKED

 

i mean sans Papelbon, the pen is pitching like last year - s*****!!!!!!!!

[redsoxrules]

they dont straight up suck just seanez, foulke is getting better everyday,foulke would have got the job done if he would have stayed in, timlin just had a bad outing it happens, papelbon is lights out, tavarez however is a big ? mark

[The Monster is my Mom]

put Rajah in the pen

[hoefdj18]

tavarez seems to be the only big question mark. ok, timlin, seanez and folke have been touched up a few times. but it's april! i have faith, they'll come around.

[ksushi]

Tavarez even is fine. Seanez to me has no place on the team for two reasons: He sucks, and one of our young kids deserves his roster spot. Delcarmen or Martinez.

[Rdsxmbnt]

Papelbon has obviously pitched extremely well. Foulke has been getting better, looks like the 2nd best option we have right now. Timlin looked bad last night but he should still be decent. Seanez is terrible, and Tavarez is still questionable. If some of these guys dont step up, Delcarmen, Hansen, Martinez, and Meredith will probaly get the call because what some guys in the pen have done so far is not acceptable and should/will be changed eventually.

[TheRivernator]

Foulke has been ok to this point, but I dont think he is ready for high pressure set-up or closer duties. Timlin has been fine and Paps has been lights out. Other than those 3, the pen has been rough....

[ksushi]

Foulke has been ok to this point, but I dont think he is ready for high pressure set-up or closer duties. Timlin has been fine and Paps has been lights out. Other than those 3, the pen has been rough....

 

You basically just said, other than the main stay of their bullpen which is good, their bullpen is bad. Who else is left, Seanzez? He sucks? Seriously? I didn't know that. Their bullpen, for all intents and purposes, is basically Timlin, Foulke and Papelbon. Tavarez has yet to prove himself, but he is a good reliever also. MDC is up in the bigs again, so aside from Seanez our pen is fine.

[Beckett95]

start of the season bullpen

 

Foulke

Timlin

Papelbon

Tavarez

Riske

Seanez

 

wat id like to see by July/August

 

Papelbon

Delcarmen

Hansen

Timlin

Foulke

Van Buren

[TheRivernator]

You basically just said, other than the main stay of their bullpen which is good, their bullpen is bad. Who else is left, Seanzez? He sucks? Seriously? I didn't know that. Their bullpen, for all intents and purposes, is basically Timlin, Foulke and Papelbon. Tavarez has yet to prove himself, but he is a good reliever also. MDC is up in the bigs again, so aside from Seanez our pen is fine.

 

Isnt it baffling when you get bullpen guys who were nasty and they come into the NYY-BOS world and they suck? Riske has been hurt and ineffective, Tavares has been average, and Seanez sucks. Also, a 3 man bullpen is not going to get it done over the long haul, you need a pen that is multi-faceted and if you only have 3 effective relievers, then you wont have anybody who could hold deficits. If Foulke and Timlin are considered the bridge to Paps, who do they use if they are losing? Seanez? Tavares? Riske? If those guys dont step up, your pen will burn out...

[ksushi]

Isnt it baffling when you get bullpen guys who were nasty and they come into the NYY-BOS world and they suck? Riske has been hurt and ineffective, Tavares has been average, and Seanez sucks. Also, a 3 man bullpen is not going to get it done over the long haul, you need a pen that is multi-faceted and if you only have 3 effective relievers, then you wont have anybody who could hold deficits. If Foulke and Timlin are considered the bridge to Paps, who do they use if they are losing? Seanez? Tavares? Riske? If those guys dont step up, your pen will burn out...

 

Who is hanging Tavarez out to dry? Hes fine. He's done nothing to prove otherwise. He is and will be a good pitcher. Van Buren did well tonight when thrown in with a deficit, he could be back up, DiNardo once our 5 spot is resolved has done a great job as a long man in the past. Our pen isn't hurting.

[framinghamflyer34]

You have to look at the big picture. Are bullpen is old, overall, so not everyone is going to be golden. We have a decent pen, with proven guys. Timlin is almost always solid, and Seanez and Tavarez are just seasoned. Comparing our bullpen to other pens, we have a pretty decent pen.

[TheRivernator]

ksush, Tavares is getting hit hard thus far to a tune of .333 opp BA in 5IP. But, he usually gives up his share of hits, but the thing that should be scary is what he did in ST and the propensity that he has to do it again...

[ksushi]

You're not making any solid points. ST is not a solid point and after like 4 appearances to be throwing averages and percentages around is retarded.

[sarasoxfan]

I dont know what games some of you havebeen watching...but the bullpen with the exception of paps is awful. just awful. The games speak for the themesleves and no statistical manipulation is going to change that. Timlin hasnt been very good, but for the most part fans are delusional about him because they like him. It would save a lot of time if the runners on base when he came were just allowed to cross home plate and get it over with. For what he gets paid foulke has been just plain s*****. How can anyone say he is getting better--better than what...a groundskeeper ptiching?

[bjb406]

guys the bullpen has not been bad at all. Timlin has been great when he comes in to start an inning, so he's not high high pressure guy right now, but we have two others so who cares. Foulke has been real solid, he's looking much more comfortable than he did last year. His numbers, while not overwhelming, have been pretty strong (9 baserunners in 11 innnings is far from "just plain s*****"). As for Tavarez, he has been excelent most of the time, and had one bad outing to throw off his numbers, and rivernator, I dont know why it is "scary" to think he might repaet what he did in ST, I think 6.2 scoreless innings is pretty attractive.

[schillingouttheks]

That's exactly why we care...we only have 2 others. You can't pitch the same bullpen pitchers day in and day out. You need to be able to rely on your WHOLE bullpen in order to have an effective one. Timlin, Foulke (in non-save situations) and Papelbon are fine right now, and with MDC coming up, I have faith in him as well. I wouldn't have minded seeing Van Buren staying here and sending Seanez down to bring up MDC instead, but that's just how things work. Tavares needs to prove himself. He has temper problems and he's inconsistent. However, what I've seen out of him recently, I think this bullpen as a whole is getting better. The only problem that I have right now is Seanez. He always finds a way to blow something for you. While I think the bullpen is getting better and is a bit more solid than what people are giving it credit for, at the same time there are a lot of questions to be answered and players that need to prove themselves.

[YazYaz04]

I agree with the statement that you're whole bullpen must be solid. If they all gel, they will be just fine. It sounds like a cliche at this point but its true. They've gotta work as a unit in order to get the most out of themselves. Taveras will be fine, I was actually indimidated just watching him in St.Louis, if he is anything like that he can scare hitters. Timlin is proven to be pretty much a solid reliever and foulke, while iffy, was a huge part of that 04 team, who says he can't turn it around. I wouldn't base it this early on stats or records, I like to see how they are playing, and I think we should give 'em some time, have some prospects come up and see what works out best. We have still won games with this "crappy bullpen" so let them see what is best and make a decision.

[rician blast]

That's exactly why we care...we only have 2 others. You can't pitch the same bullpen pitchers day in and day out.

 

would be nice to have, oh, I don't know, maybe a kid named Arroyo still around, no?

[schillingouttheks]

What does that have to do with anything? Arroyo would be in the rotation most likely after Wells sucking it up real bad.

 

Though, I will say, it's nice to be able to have a guy like DiNardo come out of the 'pen for you. Which he would able to do if we still had Arroyo.

[redsoxrules]

i added up the bulpen's numbers 55.2IP , 48 HITS, 20 ER, 13BB, 40 K adds up to a total of 3.23 ERA however oponants are batting .287 againts them ,thats too high , however 11 hits and 6 ER of those belongs to seanez in just 7 IP , so just dont put seanez in the game and we will be just fine, i know you guys are gonna say its because of papelbon ,rightfully so .however he is part of the bulpen so his stats counts too, now as far for seanez you can make him not part of the bulpen so his stat wont count anymore

[ORS]

i added up the bulpen's numbers 55.2IP , 48 HITS, 20 ER, 13BB, 40 K adds up to a total of 3.23 ERA however oponants are batting .287 againts them ,thats too high , however 11 hits and 6 ER of those belongs to seanez in just 7 IP , so just dont put seanez in the game and we will be just fine, i know you guys are gonna say its because of papelbon ,rightfully so .however he is part of the bulpen so his stats counts too, now as far for seanez you can make him not part of the bulpen so his stat wont count anymore

Just so you know, you don't need to crank out that data. Go to espn.com, move the pointer over the drop-down MLB icon on the top bar, click on teams, find the Sox, click on stats, click on pitching, find the Splits drop-down menu at the top right of the stats page, click on As a reliever. It gives you each individual's performance as a reliever, and at the bottom of the page is the team cummulative performance.

[redsoxrules]

Just so you know, you don't need to crank out that data. Go to espn.com, move the pointer over the drop-down MLB icon on the top bar, click on teams, find the Sox, click on stats, click on pitching, find the Splits drop-down menu at the top right of the stats page, click on As a reliever. It gives you each individual's performance as a reliever, and at the bottom of the page is the team cummulative performance.

 

 

i know i just wanted to show that the sox bulpen isnt that bad as some people think

[ImissPedro]

We should give Foulke some credit he looks like he's starting to come into form, Tavares could use some anger managment also

[Sizzlin22]

Foulke has finally proved to me he is back to old form, Papelbon has been far and away the best reliever in baseball, Timlin should be good, this could be the year he finally falls but lets wait untill at least after AUGUST to bury him. Tavarez over the years has been a good set up man lets just see how we does, and we have MDC up to cover a hole if we need it.

 

And here I was think our bullpen is one of the storngest parts of our team. Silly me.