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Yankees slugger Gary Sheffield injected testosterone and human growth hormone in January 2002, according to the latest revelations in "Game of Shadows," a book written by two San Francisco Chronicle reporters.

 

Excerpts from the book appeared earlier this month in Sports Illustrated, giving graphic detail of Barry Bonds' alleged use of a vast array of performance-enhancing drugs, including steroids and human growth hormone.

 

Sheffield, who in 2003 reportedly admitted to a federal grand jury to unknowingly having used a steroid cream, also sought to maintain a relationship with Bonds' trainer Greg Anderson after Bonds and Sheffield had a falling out in 2002, according to the book's authors. Anderson was among four convicted in the BALCO steroid distribution scandal.

 

In a 2004 interview with Sports Illustrated, Sheffield said he thought "the cream" was cortisone-based -- he applied it to his surgically repaired knee -- and that he so little suspected its true ingredients that he openly kept it in his locker.

 

According to the book, Sheffield attempted to obtain "the cream" and "the clear," another designer steroid, through Anderson after Sheffield and Bonds had severed their relationship.

 

Anderson reportedly kept a drug calendar that documented Sheffield's use of HGH and testosterone.

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What a shocker! Never saw this one coming! :rolleyes:

 

I expect all of you Yankees fans that ripped Bonds apart after these very same sources told of his usage to do the same to Sheffield.

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Here's a question... What is Selig expecting to accomplish with this "investigation" into Bonds and his steroid use. It's not liek he can prevent him from, getting the record.

 

He can't kick him ou of baseball, he can't prevent him from playing, so what s it getting done?

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Here's a question... What is Selig expecting to accomplish with this "investigation" into Bonds and his steroid use. It's not liek he can prevent him from, getting the record.

 

He can't kick him ou of baseball, he can't prevent him from playing, so what s it getting done?

People who cheated the game are being exposed. Thats what's getting done.

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It's not like he cares though. He knows that everybody else knows he took steroids. I doubt having a good reputation is on top of his priority list.
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It's not like he cares though. He knows that everybody else knows he took steroids. I doubt having a good reputation is on top of his priority list.

 

 

Exactly. I don't think Sheff has ever cared what people think about him. He just wants to get paid where ever he plays, plain and simple.

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Exactly. I don't think Sheff has ever cared what people think about him. He just wants to get paid where ever he plays, plain and simple.

Doesn't matter if it affects him at all. The public should know who was cheating, when, and with what?

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We know he cheated and we know when he cheated, it doesn't really matter with what.

 

I'm in no way sayign give it a "free pass" but it's not going to accomplish anything.

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We know he cheated and we know when he cheated, it doesn't really matter with what.

 

I'm in no way sayign give it a "free pass" but it's not going to accomplish anything.

Actually no. Before this the only fact we had is that Sheffield admitted to using the cream ONCE, and he said he didn't know it was steroids.

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Here's a question... What is Selig expecting to accomplish with this "investigation" into Bonds and his steroid use. It's not liek he can prevent him from, getting the record.

 

He can't kick him ou of baseball, he can't prevent him from playing, so what s it getting done?

 

Best Interest of Baseball clause. Barry could be gone in a second if Bud had some balls. And there is nothing Bonds could do about it.

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Actually no. Before this the only fact we had is that Sheffield admitted to using the cream ONCE, and he said he didn't know it was steroids.

 

I think it will be pretty hard to prove he knowingly did it. It's pretty much common knowledge the he did steroids, but it's basically a he said/she said situation as far as his knowledge of what he was doing.

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I think it will be pretty hard to prove he knowingly did it. It's pretty much common knowledge the he did steroids, but it's basically a he said/she said situation as far as his knowledge of what he was doing.

Do you just randomly put things on your body? Anyone ever just hand you something and tell you to put it on, and you do without question? It's just like the Raffy situation ... cheaters lie.

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Do you just randomly put things on your body? Anyone ever just hand you something and tell you to put it on, and you do without question? It's just like the Raffy situation ... cheaters lie.

 

When I'm sick and I go to a doctor and he gives me pills to get better, I don't ask him about every single chemical that is in it. All I know is that it will make me feel better. And usually, because a doctor is willing to give it to you, its probably a safe bet that it is safe and legal.

 

So yes, I guess I do just put random things in my body:harhar:

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When I'm sick and I go to a doctor and he gives me pills to get better, I don't ask him about every single chemical that is in it. All I know is that it will make me feel better. And usually, because a doctor is willing to give it to you, its probably a safe bet that it is safe and legal.

 

So yes, I guess I do just put random things in my body:harhar:

You don't have to know about every chemical, but I want to know what it is. Unless I'm mistaken Sheffield did not get the Cream from a doctor, he got them from a physical trainer ... BIG DIFFERENCE.

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You don't have to know about every chemical, but I want to know what it is. Unless I'm mistaken Sheffield did not get the Cream from a doctor, he got them from a physical trainer ... BIG DIFFERENCE.

 

Well whoever it was, if I'm in Gary's situation all I know is that he knows more about this stuff than me. And again if he is willing to give it to me I would probably assume it was legal.

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Well whoever it was, if I'm in Gary's situation all I know is that he knows more about this stuff than me. And again if he is willing to give it to me I would probably assume it was legal.

So if a crack head offered you crack you'd smoke it? Because he knows more about crack than you?

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Best Interest of Baseball clause. Barry could be gone in a second if Bud had some balls. And there is nothing Bonds could do about it.

 

Except whine and bitch. Which probably could work.

 

If you throw Bonds out, then you got to throw Giambi, and all those other players who have used steriods out of baseball.

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Except whine and bitch. Which probably could work.

 

If you throw Bonds out, then you got to throw Giambi, and all those other players who have used steriods out of baseball.

OK, and how isn't that the best thing for the game?

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When I'm sick and I go to a doctor and he gives me pills to get better, I don't ask him about every single chemical that is in it. All I know is that it will make me feel better. And usually, because a doctor is willing to give it to you, its probably a safe bet that it is safe and legal.

 

So yes, I guess I do just put random things in my body:harhar:

 

That's you, though.

 

Sheffield, and Bonds are both over-controlling people. Do you seriously expect Bonds to not know what's going into his body? It's a brillant legal tacit, but common sense tells you that's probably not what happen.

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So if a crack head offered you crack you'd smoke it? Because he knows more about crack than you?

HAHA! That's classic.

 

The new book Game of Shadows says Sheff injected testosterone and HGH. This book appears to have impecable sources, so, as I did for Bonds, I'm going to accept it as valid. If you are a Yankee fan, and you are still playing the "he didn't knowingly take it" angle, don't you think it's time you stopped? I mean, come on.

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to quote you:

 

I'm pretty sure he was a physical trainer not a crack head....BIG DIFFERENCE:rolleyes:

No see your post makes it seem like you'd agree to anything as long as the person knows more about something than you.

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That's you, though.

 

I think it's probably most people. Even if a doctor told me what I was taking, it probably wouldn't make much sense to me anyway...

 

Sheffield, and Bonds are both over-controlling people. Do you seriously expect Bonds to not know what's going into his body? It's a brillant legal tacit, but common sense tells you that's probably not what happen.

 

I guess the real question is where the fault lies if they didn't know (which I agree they probably did, I'm just saying it's possible that they didn't and very hard to prove otherwise). Is it the PT's fault for not telling/warning these guys that what they are taking is illegal, or does fault rest with Bonds and Sheff for not asking? To me it is hard to blame the players if the trainer does not tell them, because like I said earlier I think most everyone would assume something an accredited medical person gives you is legal.

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That's you, though.

 

Sheffield, and Bonds are both over-controlling people. Do you seriously expect Bonds to not know what's going into his body? It's a brillant legal tacit, but common sense tells you that's probably not what happen.

Exactly, steroids are only effective performance enhancers if they are taken regularly for an extended period. It strains credibility that they would regularly inject these substances for a prolonged period without asking what they are.
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I think it's probably most people. Even if a doctor told me what I was taking, it probably wouldn't make much sense to me anyway...

You're probably right, but before I take something ... especially if I am with a doctor and can ask him ... I want to know the side effects. Have you ever seen a commercial for a drug? Ever see at the end when they list the side effects? 9/10 they're worse than what they're treating.

 

How about steroids.

Use: MAKE YOU STRONG ... LIKE HULK! GRRRR!!!!

Side Effects: Death.

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Exactly, steroids are only effective performance enhancers if they are taken regularly for an extended period. It strains credibility that they would regularly inject these substances for a prolonged period without asking what they are.

 

Do you have to inject them? I agree that its a stretch to think someone would inject something regularly without knowing what it was, but what if it's a cream? It would be like putting a Rx strength Aspercream or something on everyday. That wouldn't seem like a big deal to me either.

 

MCHammer, if it WAS just a topical cream, would you even ask a doctor about the side effects? I probably wouldn't bother. I would have a hard time believing a cream could kill me anyway..

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MCHammer, if it WAS just a topical cream, would you even ask a doctor about the side effects? I probably wouldn't bother. I would have a hard time believing a cream could kill me

anyway..

Topical creams can cause pain. Ever put too much icy hot on? I'm going to find out exactly how to use it, exactly why I need it, and exactly what it's going to do no matter who it is.

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