Red Sox Stat of the Day

[TheRivernator]

Sorry if I had instigated at you, just trudging through a bad day and this other guy's post made it sound like us red sox fans arent loyal. Shouldve honestly been at OC's first game back as it was unreal. His first AB, I couldnt hear myself talk.

 

You caught us just still shortly after the time Johnny has switched sides. Probably in some time we'll accept it and applaud like when most of us officially closed the grudge case on Clemens.

 

look at my post before you continue to make yourself look like a moron. You DID NOT crucify Cabrera because you had apparently upgraded at that position by getting ERent. You didnt WANT him back so there was no animosity at his departure, so the fans had no bad feelings and he was cheered. You better believe that if the sox wanted him and were lowballing him (like they always do) and he did the red blooded human thing to do and took the highest offer, then you would have said how terrible he was. Sox fans are loyal to the organization more than they are to the players, which is a good thing, but at the same time, too much loyalty to the organization and too little to the players makes you swallow every gulp of the media spooge that is ejaculated out there. There is a bad combination of organizational loyalists and in the pocket media types, so the majority of the fans eat up each and every spin that they make. I think the globe and the herald could turn a 62-100 season and spin it to a positive, and everyone would buy it. There are a select few that challenge the spin, but they are few and far between....

[TheRivernator]

who the f*** said anything about us crucifying him? Just about every game he had here this past season he got a big standing ovation each time as will Pedro, DLowe, Mueller and the others except for Damon. I wanted OC to be resigned as did much more people.

 

 

 

Two words David Wells. Dont even twist around his debut at Yankee Stadium in a Red Sox uniform, he got the booed every chance the yankee fans got the chance. There was even countless crude signs. Besides that, you havent had to deal with high profile players of yours going to the Red Sox. So you dont know how it feels. Again get off of your pedastal

 

 

go look at the past game threads, we always agonized on how his arm is rubber.

 

 

David Wells was booed during the game. That is fine, that is not a virtual crucifiction. We didnt have article upon article of hatred for Wells when he took the sox offer. We didnt say how pathetic he was now that he was a sox. We didnt really care. Yeah we booed him in game, that happens a lot, but we didnt obsess over his becoming a red sox like sox fans have over damon becoming a yankee.....

[riverside sluggers]

Did David Wells promise his fans he would never go to Boston? No he didnt.

 

You didnt WANT him back so there was no animosity at his departure

 

Actually as I said in my post, I DID want him back. And no Im more loyal to the players, the organization bid Roger Clemens adieu way before he was done. Dan Duquette was rightfully let go, thank god. The yankee fans here other than you speak more soundly and dont really like to start fights. Every post of yours gives us good reason enough to counter back.

 

You better believe that if the sox wanted him and were lowballing him (like they always do) and he did the red blooded human thing to do and took the highest offer, then you would have said how terrible he was.

 

Stop telling me how I would have reacted or said. Pedro took the highest offer, but he will get a standing ovation. There's no doubt in my mind OC wouldve still gotten a standing O. Its not for how much money they took, its plain and simple who they didnt sign with.

 

I think the globe and the herald could turn a 62-100 season and spin it to a positive, and everyone would buy it.

 

now you're just talking out of your ass, no wait its every one of your posts just about

[TheRivernator]

you may have wanted him back, but the organization didnt and they made it know by getting a supposed upgrade. They didnt even attempt to keep him and it was well known, so that one clearly fell on the organization and no slant needed to be put onto it, hence it was without animosity. You arent getting my point here. My point is, if the sox org wants a player to return at a lower than market rate and that player takes the higher offer, then the media harps on how greedy the player is and how bad he would have been anyway, maybe to soften the blow. If the sox dont want a player to return at all, then they make it known early and there is no animosity. Did the sox want Millar to return, NO. Did the sox want Myers to return, in the end NO because they didnt offer him arbitration. Did the sox want Mueller to return, not really. Did they want Damon to leave, not as stated to the media, and who of the above players has been crucified the most by the media? I rest my case.....

[He Hate Me]

Yeah like David Wells?

Pedro- trashed us when he left, when tehre was no reason for it, after all he did here he put it behind him because he thought getting a reasonable offer was a slap in the face. Even so we never really trashed him.

 

Theres a difference between trashing the FO and trashing the fans.

[TheRivernator]

Theres a difference between trashing the FO and trashing the fans.

 

some dont see the distinction...

[ORS]

Oh no, not another one. Not another Yankee fan who thinks being a Yankee fan makes him more virtuous, intelligent, and better looking. Everyone would buy positive spin on a 62-100 season? Look down your nose at people much? Get over yourself. Being a Yankee fan doesn't make you any more intelligent, or a better person, or anything else. It just makes you a Yankee fan. Just like being Sox fans doesn't make anyone here an idiot who believes everything in the media, or a bad fan that turns on departing stars, or anything else. It just makes them a Sox fan.

 

And don't give me any crap about how vitriolic the Boston media is compared to the NY media. ARod got hosed on the back pages of NY papers after DP'ing to end the season, and some idiot NY fans bought every word of it. Torre's intelligence gets questioned after every loss in the NY papers, and those same idiots are calling for his head by mid-season if the Yanks aren't in first. The Boston media has been pretty critical of the FOs moves this offseason, as have a lot of fans.

 

Agreeing with the direction the FO is taking doesn't mean one is "buying the spin". Not if the direction makes sense. Financial flexibility is an issue for 29 teams out there, some more so than others. There is only one team that is capable of putting the biggest offer on the table every time, and that is the same team that can afford to have $18M players riding the pine if they aren't playing well enough. Nobody else can afford that, so if the fans want their team's FO to be smart with money when the FA market is weak, it is only out of a desire for their team to be able to make a run at premiere talent when it hits the market. That isn't "buying" anything, it is understanding the reality of the situation, a reality that the fans of one team don't have to accept.

[Americal Man]

Agreeing with the direction the FO is taking doesn't mean one is "buying the spin". Not if the direction makes sense. Financial flexibility is an issue for 29 teams out there, some more so than others. There is only one team that is capable of putting the biggest offer on the table every time, and that is the same team that can afford to have $18M players riding the pine if they aren't playing well enough. Nobody else can afford that, so if the fans want their team's FO to be smart with money when the FA market is weak, it is only out of a desire for their team to be able to make a run at premiere talent when it hits the market. That isn't "buying" anything, it is understanding the reality of the situation, a reality that the fans of one team don't have to accept.

 

 

And that's extactly why everyone loves to see the yankmees lose and why there'll never be team chemistry - too many brown's and sheffields with big egos. Oh, did I mention a-rod?

[He Hate Me]

Oh no, not another one. Not another Yankee fan who thinks being a Yankee fan makes him more virtuous, intelligent, and better looking. Everyone would buy positive spin on a 62-100 season? Look down your nose at people much? Get over yourself. Being a Yankee fan doesn't make you any more intelligent, or a better person, or anything else. It just makes you a Yankee fan. Just like being Sox fans doesn't make anyone here an idiot who believes everything in the media, or a bad fan that turns on departing stars, or anything else. It just makes them a Sox fan.

 

And don't give me any crap about how vitriolic the Boston media is compared to the NY media. ARod got hosed on the back pages of NY papers after DP'ing to end the season, and some idiot NY fans bought every word of it. Torre's intelligence gets questioned after every loss in the NY papers, and those same idiots are calling for his head by mid-season if the Yanks aren't in first. The Boston media has been pretty critical of the FOs moves this offseason, as have a lot of fans.

 

Agreeing with the direction the FO is taking doesn't mean one is "buying the spin". Not if the direction makes sense. Financial flexibility is an issue for 29 teams out there, some more so than others. There is only one team that is capable of putting the biggest offer on the table every time, and that is the same team that can afford to have $18M players riding the pine if they aren't playing well enough. Nobody else can afford that, so if the fans want their team's FO to be smart with money when the FA market is weak, it is only out of a desire for their team to be able to make a run at premiere talent when it hits the market. That isn't "buying" anything, it is understanding the reality of the situation, a reality that the fans of one team don't have to accept.

 

Could you be more specific about who you're talking to next time?

[riverside sluggers]

Dont worry "He Hate me", ORS is responding to what TheRivernator has been ranting about on the past couple of pages.

[ORS]

Could you be more specific about who you're talking to next time?

Sorry, I felt it was fairly obvious since you were the only other Yankee fan participating and you weren't insulting anyone's intelligence. I'll quote next time.

[KeepTheFaith1229]

Could you be more specific about who you're talking to next time?

 

Yeah, you're a Yankee fan but at least you make sense and are realistic, especially on a Red Sox board. Now the Rivernator is a different story.

[TheRivernator]

Oh no, not another one. Not another Yankee fan who thinks being a Yankee fan makes him more virtuous, intelligent, and better looking. Everyone would buy positive spin on a 62-100 season? Look down your nose at people much? Get over yourself. Being a Yankee fan doesn't make you any more intelligent, or a better person, or anything else. It just makes you a Yankee fan. Just like being Sox fans doesn't make anyone here an idiot who believes everything in the media, or a bad fan that turns on departing stars, or anything else. It just makes them a Sox fan.

 

And don't give me any crap about how vitriolic the Boston media is compared to the NY media. ARod got hosed on the back pages of NY papers after DP'ing to end the season, and some idiot NY fans bought every word of it. Torre's intelligence gets questioned after every loss in the NY papers, and those same idiots are calling for his head by mid-season if the Yanks aren't in first. The Boston media has been pretty critical of the FOs moves this offseason, as have a lot of fans.

 

Agreeing with the direction the FO is taking doesn't mean one is "buying the spin". Not if the direction makes sense. Financial flexibility is an issue for 29 teams out there, some more so than others. There is only one team that is capable of putting the biggest offer on the table every time, and that is the same team that can afford to have $18M players riding the pine if they aren't playing well enough. Nobody else can afford that, so if the fans want their team's FO to be smart with money when the FA market is weak, it is only out of a desire for their team to be able to make a run at premiere talent when it hits the market. That isn't "buying" anything, it is understanding the reality of the situation, a reality that the fans of one team don't have to accept.

 

The Yankee media gives credit where credit is due and is willing to criticize when criticism is due. The red sox media types are the "it will be alright" types and will gloss over the many problems in the organization in-season, then will crucify anyone who dare leave without their consent. See the difference. The Yankee media will criticize while they are on the yankees. The sox media will criticize once they leave. Both have positive and negative aspects......

[TheRivernator]

Agreeing with the direction the FO is taking doesn't mean one is "buying the spin". Not if the direction makes sense. Financial flexibility is an issue for 29 teams out there, some more so than others. There is only one team that is capable of putting the biggest offer on the table every time, and that is the same team that can afford to have $18M players riding the pine if they aren't playing well enough. Nobody else can afford that, so if the fans want their team's FO to be smart with money when the FA market is weak, it is only out of a desire for their team to be able to make a run at premiere talent when it hits the market. That isn't "buying" anything, it is understanding the reality of the situation, a reality that the fans of one team don't have to accept.

 

 

And that's extactly why everyone loves to see the yankmees lose and why there'll never be team chemistry - too many brown's and sheffields with big egos. Oh, did I mention a-rod?

 

how'd that great chemistry work for you last yr?

[jsinger121]

how'd that great chemistry work for you last yr?

 

hows chemistry been the last 5 seasons......0 WS titles

[26 to 6]

for the record

the yankees last year lost more money than the chicago white sox entire payroll.

Just in baseball operations...but you would have to be an absolute idiot to think George lost money last year. He does have this thing called the YES network, which brings in LOTS AND LOTS of money.

[example1]

how'd that great chemistry work for you last yr?

 

Well, let's see, the Sox "tied" for the division with the Yankees and lost to the eventual World Champ in the playoffs. They did so with a payroll that was considerably lower than the Yankees, so I would say it did pretty well. The goal is to get to the playoffs and hope that the team is playing well enough to get through. Mission accomplished.

[26 to 6]

David Wells was booed during the game. That is fine, that is not a virtual crucifiction. We didnt have article upon article of hatred for Wells when he took the sox offer. We didnt say how pathetic he was now that he was a sox. We didnt really care. Yeah we booed him in game, that happens a lot, but we didnt obsess over his becoming a red sox like sox fans have over damon becoming a yankee.....

Exactly. We got over it. I will admit that it HURT hearing he had signed with Boston. And seeing him hold up that number 30 jersey at his press conference HURT. And seeing him in that uniform STILL HURTS, but I dont cry about it every day. He made a deciscion, we got over it, didnt bitch about it, and just showed him what we thought about his deciscion on opening day. He then made some negative comments towards us Yankee fans so as far as im concerned right now David Wells is an ******* and I will always feel that way until he takes back his comments. He wouldnt be considered a top tier pitcher if it wasnt for the Yankees. Nobody thought of him like that in Toronto, Detroit, Baltimore, or Cincy...not until he came to New York. So you're welcome Boomer.

 

Did David Wells promise his fans he would never go to Boston? No he didnt.

he didnt have to. He ALWAYS prided himself on being a Yankee and sometimes talked about hating the Red Sox. He even had that famous comment about wanting to be the one who blows up Fenway Park.

 

hows chemistry been the last 5 seasons......0 WS titles

You really have no idea how irritating it is when a Red Sox fan says that. When our drought hits 86 then you can say something. 5 years isnt a big deal.

 

And that's extactly why everyone loves to see the yankmees lose and why there'll never be team chemistry - too many brown's and sheffields with big egos. Oh, did I mention a-rod?

Never be team chemistry? Never is a pretty strong word. We had some pretty good team chemistry for years, and im sure we'll have it again.

 

Also, I think people give A-Rod too much s***, its ridiculous. He was the best shortstop in the game, and argueably in the history of the game, and he moves to a new position because he wants to WIN. If he is really as selfish and not a team player like all you Sox fans (who would really love to have him as their shortstop right now) say then tell me what that is. He never puts down teammates, he is always great with media, and I really enjoy having him and cant wait to see that "NY" on his Hall of Fame plaque.

 

And it WAS the Red Sox players that started a word war with A-Rod last year....really professional.

[26 to 6]

Well, let's see, the Sox "tied" for the division with the Yankees and lost to the eventual World Champ in the playoffs. They did so with a payroll that was considerably lower than the Yankees, so I would say it did pretty well. The goal is to get to the playoffs and hope that the team is playing well enough to get through. Mission accomplished.

Please, we won the division fair and square. We won the head to head matchups so the division title goes to us in a tie. And yes, you got swept by the eventual champions. And please, I hate when Sox fans make a big deal about the Yankee payroll as if they dont have the SECOND biggest payroll. It gets ridiculous. Such hypocrites.

[jsinger121]

i look at the record not the head to head....and to me it was a tie....i would have played a 1 game playoff to settle the damn thing.

[26 to 6]

i look at the record not the head to head....and to me it was a tie....i would have played a 1 game playoff to settle the damn thing.

I would have been fine doing that as well.

 

I dont get it, I thought that thats what was usually done. I even remember a coin flip for the Yankees/SOx 1 game playoff...but I dont know why it didnt happen. However, it doesnt matter to me. We won.

[TheRivernator]

i look at the record not the head to head....and to me it was a tie....i would have played a 1 game playoff to settle the damn thing.

 

same thing 2 yrs ago when the sox were close and they had the head to head. You guys would have taken the ALE if you could have it and you wouldnt have cared. Such hypocrites....

[jsinger121]

I would have been fine doing that as well.

 

I dont get it, I thought that thats what was usually done. I even remember a coin flip for the Yankees/SOx 1 game playoff...but I dont know why it didnt happen. However, it doesnt matter to me. We won.

 

it would have mattered had the Guardians not faded and we all ended up tied. since both the red sox and yanks were tied and both going to the playoffs it didn't matter for a 1 game playoff. since the yanks won the head the head they were called division champs even though both teams were really tied.

[26 to 6]

it would have mattered had the Guardians not faded and we all ended up tied. since both the red sox and yanks were tied and both going to the playoffs it didn't matter for a 1 game playoff. since the yanks won the head the head they were called division champs even though both teams were really tied.

Thats right, now I remember.

 

Whatever man, if thats how they figure it then we won fair and square. As long as it wasnt just made up this past season then I have no problem being called the division champs. Doesnt feel tarnished or anything.

[jsinger121]

i still would have played a 1 game playoff to break the tie.

[26 to 6]

I agree, but since we were both in the playoffs and whatnot it didnt make sense to use pitchers or anything if we didnt have to.

[KeepTheFaith1229]

I agree, but since we were both in the playoffs and whatnot it didnt make sense to use pitchers or anything if we didnt have to.

 

It did matter though because you guys got to play the Angels and we had to play the eventual WS champs.

[26 to 6]

I said the whole time, you can even go back and check the posts if you'd like, that I would prefer to play the White Sox. I think we matched up much better against them. And the fact that Anaheim is the only team to have a winning record against us from 1996-now and how they Always give us hell, I would have been perfectly content giving that one to you guys.

[TheRivernator]

I said the whole time, you can even go back and check the posts if you'd like, that I would prefer to play the White Sox. I think we matched up much better against them. And the fact that Anaheim is the only team to have a winning record against us from 1996-now and how they Always give us hell, I would have been perfectly content giving that one to you guys.

 

We had the type of pitching that they didnt like. For some reason Chacon, Small and Wang gave them fits....

[ksushi]

I don't think your pitching was better than the angels.