Red Sox Stat of the Day

[Bostons_Finest]

Hey Sox fans,

 

It's half-time of Super Bowl XL right now, and if you're anything like me then you're absolutely nauseated from watching these two mediocre teams battle it out for the right to borrow the Patriots' Lombardi Trophy for a year. So here's something that you guys should get a kick out of:

 

The Red Sox addressed a number of holes this offseason without breaking the bank in any one area. They essentially spent $3 million each at second base, shortstop and center field; starter Josh Beckett will likely cost them in the neighborhood of $4.5 million.

 

Know what that means? It means the Sox will pay Mark Loretta, Alex Gonzalez, Coco Crisp and Beckett an estimated $13.5 million, which is essentially what the New York Yankees will be paying Johnny Damon, who will average $13 million per year over the length of his new four-year contract.

 

- Tony Mazarotti, The Boston Herald, 02.05.06

 

 

In addition to that, according to Major League Baseball's Collective Bargaining Agreement, the Yankees have to pay an additional 40% to any added salary over the Luxury Tax, which means that Johnny Damon is actually costing New York approximately $18 million in 2006.

 

 

Here's to a better second half (Go Steelers!,

[TheRivernator]

Hey Sox fans,

 

It's half-time of Super Bowl XL right now, and if you're anything like me then you're absolutely nauseated from watching these two mediocre teams battle it out for the right to borrow the Patriots' Lombardi Trophy for a year. So here's something that you guys should get a kick out of:

 

The Red Sox addressed a number of holes this offseason without breaking the bank in any one area. They essentially spent $3 million each at second base, shortstop and center field; starter Josh Beckett will likely cost them in the neighborhood of $4.5 million.

 

Know what that means? It means the Sox will pay Mark Loretta, Alex Gonzalez, Coco Crisp and Beckett an estimated $13.5 million, which is essentially what the New York Yankees will be paying Johnny Damon, who will average $13 million per year over the length of his new four-year contract.

 

- Tony Mazarotti, The Boston Herald, 02.05.06

 

 

In addition to that, according to Major League Baseball's Collective Bargaining Agreement, the Yankees have to pay an additional 40% to any added salary over the Luxury Tax, which means that Johnny Damon is actually costing New York approximately $18 million in 2006.

 

 

Here's to a better second half (Go Steelers!,

 

Yeah, the sox saved money, YEAH!!! Didnt they just raise ricket prices??? Who cares if they save money, if they dont put it back into your hands as the fan or back into the club, how is it beneficial? BTW, the yankees will get around luxury taxes and market sharing due to their new stadium that is being built...

[KeepTheFaith1229]

if they dont put it back into your hands as the fan or back into the club, how is it beneficial? BTW, the yankees will get around luxury taxes and market sharing due to their new stadium that is being built...

 

Um, how is it beneficial? So we can sign one of the Lees next year...

 

Oh, and I don't know if you knew this but getting a new stadium is going to cost money. This is just taking cash out of Steinbrenner's wallet. They don't even really need a new stadium.

[TheRivernator]

Um, how is it beneficial? So we can sign one of the Lees next year...

 

Oh, and I don't know if you knew this but getting a new stadium is going to cost money. This is just taking cash out of Steinbrenner's wallet. They don't even really need a new stadium.

 

 

Issue 1: The Sox will never "overpay" or to be perfectly correct, they will never pay "market value" for a player, so to think that one of the Lee's will be coming to Boston is premature at best.

 

Issue 2: The Yankees pay 40 mil in luxury tax and much more than that in revenue sharing. There is a clause in the CBA that any team paying for a new stadium is exempt from the above 2. So, if the yankees are paying off a 900mil stadium over 20 yrs, yet they are saving 90mil a yr, then how much money will that save them? They will be able to pay the lease of their new stadium with money they would have los anyway....

[KeepTheFaith1229]

Issue 1: The Sox will never "overpay" or to be perfectly correct, they will never pay "market value" for a player, so to think that one of the Lee's will be coming to Boston is premature at best.

 

I think I'll let some other people respond to this. We would pay market value for one of the Lees, I don't think you need to worry about that.

[riverside sluggers]

The Sox will never "overpay" or to be perfectly correct, they will never pay "market value" for a player

 

Renteria?

[TheRivernator]

Issue 1: The Sox will never "overpay" or to be perfectly correct, they will never pay "market value" for a player, so to think that one of the Lee's will be coming to Boston is premature at best.

 

I think I'll let some other people respond to this. We would pay market value for one of the Lees, I don't think you need to worry about that.

 

Carlos Lee will command Konerko money as both have had similar numbers. If Derek Lee has another .300+ 40+ 100+, he will command Magglio money. I dont see the sox going over 4 yrs or over 10 mil a yr and both guys will require both....

[TheRivernator]

Renteria?

 

ERent was paid market value, you are right, but still did not exceed the company imposed limit...

[riverside sluggers]

ah but still contradicted your own statement

 

or to be perfectly correct, they will never pay "market value" for a player

 

Regardless, the last 3 offseasons havent shown that much of high caliber players at the same time the Sox need to fill a certain hole. Although i can recall in the 03 offseason the Sox had offered the biggest deal to Andy Pettitte, somewhere around 4 years/$60 million. Whose to suggest that they wont make a free agent offer like that again?

[KeepTheFaith1229]

Issue 1: The Sox will never "overpay" or to be perfectly correct, they will never pay "market value" for a player, so to think that one of the Lee's will be coming to Boston is premature at best.

 

Carlos Lee will command Konerko money as both have had similar numbers. If Derek Lee has another .300+ 40+ 100+, he will command Magglio money. I dont see the sox going over 4 yrs or over 10 mil a yr and both guys will require both....

 

The Sox would gladly go 4 years 52 mil for either of those guys.

 

Heh, it would be great...you guys give 4 yrs 52 mil to Damon while we give it to one of the Lees.

[TheRivernator]

 

The Sox would gladly go 4 years 52 mil for either of those guys.

 

Heh, it would be great...you guys give 4 yrs 52 mil to Damon while we give it to one of the Lees.

 

depends on what the need is. Why would we have wanted another 1b? We got a premier CFer and leadoff hitter. We dont need another power hitter. Then again, I expect us to be in on Carlos Lee because Sheff will be a FA and I dont see us extending him. George will not be outbid by the sox on someone he really wants...

[26 to 6]

Issue 1: The Sox will never "overpay" or to be perfectly correct, they will never pay "market value" for a player, so to think that one of the Lee's will be coming to Boston is premature at best.

 

Issue 2: The Yankees pay 40 mil in luxury tax and much more than that in revenue sharing. There is a clause in the CBA that any team paying for a new stadium is exempt from the above 2. So, if the yankees are paying off a 900mil stadium over 20 yrs, yet they are saving 90mil a yr, then how much money will that save them? They will be able to pay the lease of their new stadium with money they would have los anyway....

Yeah, but its not like Damon is gonna cost us that money. The fact that we're building a new stadium makes us exempt from luxury tax. And I agree, we dont need a new Stadium, but the current one, although I LOVE going to it and wouldnt trade it for anything, isnt in the best of shape right now.

 

They will be able to pay the lease of their new stadium with money they would have los anyway....

Lease? There will be no lease here. Forget the City of New York, this stadium is going to belong to the New York Yankees!

lol

 

but anyways, i know what youre saying.

[example1]

26 to 6, I think I have expressed this before, but I think you are an excellent poster and are a valuable member of this community.

 

So I ask, in all honesty, are you in the slightest embarassed by the amount of money the Yankees spend? I mean, everyone points to the Yankees and Red Sox, the big spenders. But its not even close. I mean, the Sox have made the playoffs for the past 3 seasons AGAINST the Yankees (i.e., sharing a division and many games). Two of those seasons they got to within 5 outs of going to the WS, and one of those they actually did. They have done this with the following payroll disparities:

 

2003: (Yankees: $169,588,508), (Boston $108,403,617)

2004: (Yankees: $187,918,394), (Boston $130,395,386)

2005: (Yankees: $208,306,817), (Boston $123,505,125)

 

Total: Yankees: 565,202,142; Red Sox: 362,304,128

 

...a difference of $202,898,014, or $67,632,671 per year.

 

If they used that money intellegently they could have bought some good TEAMS for that much money.

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That being said, Rivernator, I don't understand why you write that the Sox won't overpay for a player as if that is a bad thing.?..??

 

The yankees make lots of bad mistakes, and in order to make up for them they buy another marquee player. The sox don't do that and I'm proud of it. To me, spending that much money is lazy man's baseball. From the outside it seems that the yankees never have to get too deep into statistics or anything to justify their purchases. I assume that at some level they do, but I can't remember the last time the Yankees made a calculated move on par with the recent Crisp signing. When was the last time the Yankees got an "established up-and-comer" like that?

 

The whole point of the luxuary tax is to help poorer teams get out from the bottom, so it is ridiculuous that the Yankees get to avoid the tax by building themselves a new stadium. They just get to spend that money to make themselves better? Well, that's a hard financial decision then isn't it? We save 15 million dollars by building a stadium right now? Okay, screw you Tampa and washington and Arizona. We're going to be more expensive than we ever have been and you're not getting one CENT. Sweet stuff.

 

Sorry for the rant, but the fervor with which you are responding to every post on this board with your pro Yankee perspective incited it in me. The Yankees have not won a world series since they became the priciest team in baseball, yet you will come on here and insult sox fans for putting up with their owner who attempts to change the direction of a franchise so that it can be flexible? Our payroll dropped last year and I think it is clear that Henry has a ceiling. That doesn't mean he has a tolerance for losing, it means he lacks tolerance for stupidity.

 

I for one am happy that the sox have proved to be one of the most intelligent teams the past few years. They have taken on one noticably bad contract, and through some fenagling they were able to convert it into Coco Crisp, even if they lost a little money. But at least they were frugle and smart enough to get rid of him. If the Red Sox want one of the Lee's they will offer him what they believe he is worth. What they can ensure that player of is being part of a competitive team, a fair market wage, a community that supports its players like no other, and the ability to become/remain a superstar on the national market.

 

There is nothing wrong with that and it should keep players coming in for a fair market value as long as there are good players.

[TheRivernator]

26 to 6, I think I have expressed this before, but I think you are an excellent poster and are a valuable member of this community.

 

So I ask, in all honesty, are you in the slightest embarassed by the amount of money the Yankees spend? I mean, everyone points to the Yankees and Red Sox, the big spenders. But its not even close. I mean, the Sox have made the playoffs for the past 3 seasons AGAINST the Yankees (i.e., sharing a division and many games). Two of those seasons they got to within 5 outs of going to the WS, and one of those they actually did. They have done this with the following payroll disparities:

 

2003: (Yankees: $169,588,508), (Boston $108,403,617)

2004: (Yankees: $187,918,394), (Boston $130,395,386)

2005: (Yankees: $208,306,817), (Boston $123,505,125)

 

Total: Yankees: 565,202,142; Red Sox: 362,304,128

 

...a difference of $202,898,014, or $67,632,671 per year.

 

If they used that money intellegently they could have bought some good TEAMS for that much money.

--------------------------------------------

That being said, Rivernator, I don't understand why you write that the Sox won't overpay for a player as if that is a bad thing.?..??

 

The yankees make lots of bad mistakes, and in order to make up for them they buy another marquee player. The sox don't do that and I'm proud of it. To me, spending that much money is lazy man's baseball. From the outside it seems that the yankees never have to get too deep into statistics or anything to justify their purchases. I assume that at some level they do, but I can't remember the last time the Yankees made a calculated move on par with the recent Crisp signing. When was the last time the Yankees got an "established up-and-comer" like that?

 

The whole point of the luxuary tax is to help poorer teams get out from the bottom, so it is ridiculuous that the Yankees get to avoid the tax by building themselves a new stadium. They just get to spend that money to make themselves better? Well, that's a hard financial decision then isn't it? We save 15 million dollars by building a stadium right now? Okay, screw you Tampa and washington and Arizona. We're going to be more expensive than we ever have been and you're not getting one CENT. Sweet stuff.

 

Sorry for the rant, but the fervor with which you are responding to every post on this board with your pro Yankee perspective incited it in me. The Yankees have not won a world series since they became the priciest team in baseball, yet you will come on here and insult sox fans for putting up with their owner who attempts to change the direction of a franchise so that it can be flexible? Our payroll dropped last year and I think it is clear that Henry has a ceiling. That doesn't mean he has a tolerance for losing, it means he lacks tolerance for stupidity.

 

I for one am happy that the sox have proved to be one of the most intelligent teams the past few years. They have taken on one noticably bad contract, and through some fenagling they were able to convert it into Coco Crisp, even if they lost a little money. But at least they were frugle and smart enough to get rid of him. If the Red Sox want one of the Lee's they will offer him what they believe he is worth. What they can ensure that player of is being part of a competitive team, a fair market wage, a community that supports its players like no other, and the ability to become/remain a superstar on the national market.

 

There is nothing wrong with that and it should keep players coming in for a fair market value as long as there are good players.

 

you certainly swallowed the media line hook line and sinker. I thought it was funny how the perfectly assembled 2004 team was dismantled and no sox media guy would even think about writing about it. Instead they spin every move like the sox were doing the fans a favor, Pedro, who needs Pedro. DLowe, Damon, Mueller, etc. Your team dismantled because of $$ and you are the second biggest team in the game for chrissakes.

 

Now you harp on "flexibility", which is good to have, but at the same time, if you turn around and crucify every player that leaves your team, then nobody will ever want to go to beantown. So you gain flexibility, but lose potential superstars. Here is the thing that bothers me though. The sox have the big market, they have the rabid fans, and they have the money, yet they seem to be taking steps to become a middle market team. If it wasnt for Duke's "bad contract" in Manny, then your middle of the order would be Papi and ???. What are the chances of them finding another Papi among the rough? Not very good.

 

I dunno, I just see something fishy about the ownership group. They are cunning to say the least, but I think that 5 yrs down the road, you will see their main goal, and that is making $$. Making bank is not a bad thing, I will never put that down, but if it is at the expense of your fans, then you have to put it back into your team instead of into your pockets.

 

As for George? I am never embarassed by the guy, well except for the felony. He has a passion for the game, and he built a huge empire to feed. I love the fact that he would lose millions of his own money to make the fans happy. I just think that Cashman might finally reel him in off the ledge and get him to spend it wisely, which over the past few yrs is not the case.

 

As far as "overspending", I actually corrected myself and said, "market value". I saw that Damon was killed in the media, as was Pedro because they did not get the "market value" from the sox that was offered them by other teams. Damon's value became 13 mil a yr after Furcal signed for that money. When the sox refused to match it, they basically let him go. Then they go around and spin it like he jilted you guys. I think Damon said it right the first time when he said that the sox looked like they wanted to finish a close second, and they did. It turned out ok on paper so far with Crisp, but how many other future FA's will be treated the same way, Papi? Manny? etc.

 

Alright, it is early and I am tired so my rant may not make sense. Have a good day all....

[riverside sluggers]

Now you harp on "flexibility", which is good to have, but at the same time, if you turn around and crucify every player that leaves your team, then nobody will ever want to go to beantown.

 

get off your f***ing pedastal, we do not crucify every player that leaves town. Last year OC got an uproarious standing "O" while this season we should see for Millar & Pedro. Renteria & Mueller whenever they make it back here. As far as Damon goes he did promise the fans he could never play for the Yankees, money is no object to him. It was that quote not the FO that turned the knife in our backs. Along with him joining our hated rival. I guarantee there wouldve been a standing O had he signed anywhere else. Sorry but its the truth and dont give me "ah yankee fans would never do that to players who switch sides" because it has happened.

 

You talk about how Sox let Mueller go. There's a player that goes by the name of Youkilis thats been waiting in the wings since 04. Just about everyone was expecting Mueller to go. Sox made the Florida trade not to stick it to Mueller but because they could get a potential ace in Josh Beckett. Still they are getting a 3rd baseman who could rival Chavez & A-Rod for the 06 gold glove, and given Fenway's Park dimensions has a good shot of a better season.

 

Rebuttal of Lowell having a good offensive year in 3, 2, 1...

[He Hate Me]

26 to 6, I think I have expressed this before, but I think you are an excellent poster and are a valuable member of this community.

 

So I ask, in all honesty, are you in the slightest embarassed by the amount of money the Yankees spend?

 

Why should we be embarassed? We spend what we make, so why is it a bad thing? Wouldn't you prefer that your team maximizes their revenue on your team, rather than having it line the pockets of the owner?

 

Now, do we always spend wisely, well that's a pretty easy one to answer

[Mr Crunchy]

for the record

the yankees last year lost more money than the chicago white sox entire payroll.

[TheMeanWalrus]

for the record

the yankees last year lost more money than the chicago white sox entire payroll.

 

 

 

Sean the facts won't stop the ball wahsers and the apologists

[He Hate Me]

Sean the facts won't stop the ball wahsers and the apologists

 

I dont see why you would respond in that fashion to his statement.

[TheRivernator]

Sean the facts won't stop the ball wahsers and the apologists

 

 

for which side?

[TheRivernator]

get off your f***ing pedastal, we do not crucify every player that leaves town. Last year OC got an uproarious standing "O" while this season we should see for Millar & Pedro. Renteria & Mueller whenever they make it back here. As far as Damon goes he did promise the fans he could never play for the Yankees, money is no object to him. It was that quote not the FO that turned the knife in our backs. Along with him joining our hated rival. I guarantee there wouldve been a standing O had he signed anywhere else. Sorry but its the truth and dont give me "ah yankee fans would never do that to players who switch sides" because it has happened.

 

You talk about how Sox let Mueller go. There's a player that goes by the name of Youkilis thats been waiting in the wings since 04. Just about everyone was expecting Mueller to go. Sox made the Florida trade not to stick it to Mueller but because they could get a potential ace in Josh Beckett. Still they are getting a 3rd baseman who could rival Chavez & A-Rod for the 06 gold glove, and given Fenway's Park dimensions has a good shot of a better season.

 

Rebuttal of Lowell having a good offensive year in 3, 2, 1...

 

The Yankee FO hardly loses its own players (exception is Pettitte) if they want them and if a guy leaves and returns, we CHEER them instead of kill them. We dont have the media assassinate them on the way out the door. We dont make public comments saying that we tried really really hard but it didnt work out, making the player look like the bad guy. Mendoza left and now he is back, nobody ever booed him (aside from sox fans). Take a look at high profile fan favorites who were jettisoned lately by the red sox.

 

1. Mo Vaughn- the guy had a PI following him, then when he left the media all of a sudden found out he was fat.

2. Pedro- the guy switched divisions and he was killed. All of a sudden his rotator cuff was "90%" torn, which is impossible BTW, his best yrs were behind him and he was a traitor.

3. Derek Lowe- all of a sudden people figured out he liked to be a party animal. We wouldnt want him around, even though he was the MVP of our WS run.

4. Damon- Calling him Judas? Traitor? Fake? All of a sudden he was a hobbled old geezer with no arm? People now hate the guy because he did what any red-blooded american would have done. He took the money from a team that really wanted him.

 

As for OC, you supposedly upgraded on that position in 2004, why would you crucify him? The public would like the idea of him leaving anyway. Mueller was the only guy to get a proper sendoff in the papers.

 

It seems that when the sox lose a player that produced and the fans liked them, the media shunned the scrutiny by pointing out what was bad in the player, be it off the field or certain parts of their on the field game that quite frankly are not as important as their strengths (damons arm for instance). It is surprising that the sox have their media so deep into their pockets that they cannot even be honest with themselves.

 

Look for more of the same when the big 2 in your lineup gets broken up. All of a sudden Manny being Manny would be a curse instead of cool and Papi will be portrayed as a fat future injury waiting to happen, and all of a sudden he'll be a burden as a no D player. Granted, these things are true right now, but nobody is harping on them when predicting their seasons. Only when they walk out the door. The hypocrisy of the nation's media is amazing and unfortunately it is like leading horses to water, all they gotta do is drink....

[riverside sluggers]

As for OC, you supposedly upgraded on that position in 2004, why would you crucify him?The public would like the idea of him leaving anyway.

 

who the f*** said anything about us crucifying him? Just about every game he had here this past season he got a big standing ovation each time as will Pedro, DLowe, Mueller and the others except for Damon. I wanted OC to be resigned as did much more people.

 

if a guy leaves and returns, we CHEER them instead of kill them.

 

Two words David Wells. Dont even twist around his debut at Yankee Stadium in a Red Sox uniform, he got the booed every chance the yankee fans got the chance. There was even countless crude signs. Besides that, you havent had to deal with high profile players of yours going to the Red Sox. So you dont know how it feels. Again get off of your pedastal

 

All of a sudden he was a hobbled old geezer with no arm?

go look at the past game threads, we always agonized on how his arm is rubber.

[He Hate Me]

Besides that, you havent had to deal with high profile players of yours going to the Red Sox. So you dont know how it feels.

 

I'm not sure if this statement is intended to help your argument, but I can't think that its doing much for your pride

[riverside sluggers]

it does help my argument somewhat. Its the truth I realize that, this falls along the lines of Clemens & Boggs. Really how wouldve you guys acted if couple years ago you turn on the tv, "Andy Petitte agrees to Red Sox offer." Im guessing not all warm thoughts

[TheMeanWalrus]

I dont see why you would respond in that fashion to his statement.

 

 

All it means is, that the facts, i.e., the economic disparity that exists in MLB and the ability of some teams to overspend on players, will not deter the apologists from defending that position if they fall on the one side of the arguement to whom the disparity is beneficial, meaning the Yankees.

[He Hate Me]

it does help my argument somewhat. Its the truth I realize that, this falls along the lines of Clemens & Boggs. Really how wouldve you guys acted if couple years ago you turn on the tv, "Andy Petitte agrees to Red Sox offer." Im guessing not all warm thoughts

 

I don't blame you at all for feeling that way about Damon. When Andy left, there was a contingent in Yankee fans who bought the Tampa line that Andy had been having elbow issues, when in reality, he left for the Astros because George didn't make enough of an effort. Andy had an offer from the Sox I believe, but he turned that down to goto the Astros instead.

 

I don't know why in recent years your team has had some of its icons goto the Yankees (the last two with success since they both won championships here). I can't help but speculate that it's either the Red Sox FO or the character of the players themselves. IMO it's a bit of both, because our FO isn't exactly the best in the world either, but for whatever reason our high profile guys havent started going over to the Sox, YET.

[He Hate Me]

All it means is, that the facts, i.e., the economic disparity that exists in MLB and the ability of some teams to overspend on players, will not deter the apologists from defending that position if they fall on the one side of the arguement to whom the disparity is beneficial, meaning the Yankees.

 

There's a difference between being an apologist and pointing out simple facts that the Yankees are merely trying to better their product by all resources available. Wouldn't rather have that than someone to decide that a $15 million payroll is fiscal responsibility when they earn $50 million a year in revenue?

[riverside sluggers]

I don't blame you at all for feeling that way about Damon. When Andy left, there was a contingent in Yankee fans who bought the Tampa line that Andy had been having elbow issues, when in reality, he left for the Astros because George didn't make enough of an effort. Andy had an offer from the Sox I believe, but he turned that down to goto the Astros instead.

 

I don't know why in recent years your team has had some of its icons goto the Yankees (the last two with success since they both won championships here). I can't help but speculate that it's either the Red Sox FO or the character of the players themselves. IMO it's a bit of both, because our FO isn't exactly the best in the world either, but for whatever reason our high profile guys havent started going over to the Sox, YET.

 

Sorry if I had instigated at you, just trudging through a bad day and this other guy's post made it sound like us red sox fans arent loyal. Shouldve honestly been at OC's first game back as it was unreal. His first AB, I couldnt hear myself talk.

 

You caught us just still shortly after the time Johnny has switched sides. Probably in some time we'll accept it and applaud like when most of us officially closed the grudge case on Clemens.

[He Hate Me]

Sorry if I had blown up at you, just trudging through a bad day and this other guy's post made it sound like us red sox fans arent loyal. Shouldve honestly been at OC's first game back as it was unreal. His first AB, I couldnt hear myself talk.

 

You caught us just still shortly after the time Johnny has switched sides. Probably in some time we'll accept it and applaud like when most of us officially closed the grudge case on Clemens.

 

While I love what JD's offense will do for the lineup, and I think could bring us to 100+ wins this year, I do not like the man himself. I'm one of the few fans who have never accepted Clemens as a Yankee, and I've always felt that he piggybacked his way to the championships here. I just dont think the man can perform well under pressure on a consistent level.

 

I hope you guys never applaud Johnny Damon. For a guy to come out and say he will never play for the Yankees and then to go over there and start using words like "I'm a Yankee blah blah blah" is personally something I do not appreciate. If he had come along with Giambi to the Yankees, he probably would have said the same thing "I will never play for the Red Sox" and then sign on with you guys this year.

 

If people like Tino or Scotty Bro had signed with the Sox, I would have been absolutely crushed.

[Cityofchampions33]

we CHEER them instead of kill them.

 

Yeah like David Wells?

 

Please, we only say good riddance to players that disrespect us in our point of view and with the info we know about.

 

Lowe- never did anythign to him

Roberts - nothing, still wnat him back

Pokey- great guy, good luck to him

OCab - great guy, wanted him back

 

Pedro- trashed us when he left, when tehre was no reason for it, after all he did here he put it behind him because he thought getting a reasonable offer was a slap in the face. Even so we never really trashed him.

 

Damon- First he swore he wouldn't go to the Yanks, than he never told us about the offer he got, so we really weren't able to show our "lack of respect for him". He says we never budged, but that's because he never gave us an offer that was threatening. If he told us about the Yanks offer, I'm sure we wouldv'e gone higher.

 

Millar- He was just plain annoying, had some good contributions, but the bad far exceeded the good, yes, without him we lsoe the 04 ALCS, but he wa sjust terrible last season and just wouldn't shut up.