Yankees and Stros frontrunners for Raja

[TheMeanWalrus]

Hammer,

Sean is at our bartenders funeral services. I am leaving in 15 minutes to join them so have a nice night.

[Hammer]

Hammer,

Sean is at our bartenders funeral services. I am leaving in 15 minutes to join them so have a nice night.

 

that's what I figured walrus. you do the same old friend. we'll see you tomorrow morning.

[KeepTheFaith1229]

You're joking right?

This is the major leagues, son, not the 15 year old Jr Ruth team

 

Okay...and how does that change anything?

 

If you're injured, and you can't play effectively, you do what's best for the team and take yourself out. If you can play through the pain and be effective, then you do just that.

 

Oh, and try 13 year old Babe Ruth ball, and that still doesn't change a thing.

[TheMeanWalrus]

Okay...and how does that change anything?

 

If you're injured, and you can't play effectively, you do what's best for the team and take yourself out. If you can play through the pain and be effective, then you do just that.

 

Oh, and try 13 year old Babe Ruth ball, and that still doesn't change a thing.

 

 

 

It's not an age thing per se, but a comment that "oooooh, I tried my best" doesn't cut it at the Major League level.

 

 

KTF1229 - are you a Red Sox fan?

If so, Curt Schilling could;ve taken the same attitude in 2004 but he didn't

He sucked it up and pitched

KNOWING that maybe his ankle would respond and maybe it wouldn't

 

As I said earlier in this thread - Winners want the ball

[KeepTheFaith1229]

It's not an age thing per se, but a comment that "oooooh, I tried my best" doesn't cut it at the Major League level.

 

 

KTF1229 - are you a Red Sox fan?

If so, Curt Schilling could;ve taken the same attitude in 2004 but he didn't

He sucked it up and pitched

KNOWING that maybe his ankle would respond and maybe it wouldn't

 

As I said earlier in this thread - Winners want the ball

 

Yeah, I'm a Sox fan as evident by my display name...

 

I believe that if the ankle was numbed, Schilling could play through the pain and pitch effectively. Maybe Clemens should have sucked it up and pitched, maybe he did what he thought was best for the team...

 

Let's just drop this.

[TheMeanWalrus]

Yeah, I'm a Sox fan as evident by my display name...

 

I believe that if the ankle was numbed, Schilling could play through the pain and pitch effectively. Maybe Clemens should have sucked it up and pitched, maybe he did what he thought was best for the team...

 

Let's just drop this.

 

 

 

 

Theres nothing to drop, dude, do you remember the game?

And the aftermath?

And the "fallout" (for lack of a better word) that happened in the months afterwards?

[KeepTheFaith1229]

Theres nothing to drop, dude, do you remember the game?

And the aftermath?

And the "fallout" (for lack of a better word) that happened in the months afterwards?

 

I wasn't born yet. You said it was in '86? I was born in '92.

 

Can we please agree to disagree? I have to go.

[TheMeanWalrus]

I wasn't born yet. You said it was in '86? I was born in '92.

 

Can we please agree to disagree? I have to go.

 

 

 

Have a good night then

 

But, with all due respect, if you have to ask me what year we're talking about,then maybe you don't qualify to comment on what happened that dreadful Oct night in 1986

 

I was there (not literally in Shea, but as a die hard fan)

And I remember everything that happened. And not just what the box score in an online newspaper tells me about what happened that night. And as I mentioned earlier, its a shame that the media is hyping this guy up and putting him on pedastal for a generation of baseball fans that do not remember, thru no fault of their own, the first 12-15 years of this fraud's career.

 

Have a nice night, KTF1229

[26 to 6]

You're kidding about this right?

Do you remember this?

Do you know what happened in Shea that night?

 

In case you don't, I do

First things first.

You're f***ing hero got staked to a 2-0 lead in that game and could not hold it. One of COUNTLESS post season leads he's been handed and pissed away.

Thats the "nice way" of putting it

The reality of the situation was that Ole Blood and Guts, the Greatest Pitcher of our Generation, Captain Courage, asked out of that game in the 7th inning because he had a blister on his finger.

The AL Cy Young winner and MVP asked John McNamara to take him out of that game because his f***ing finger hurt. Are you kidding me?

Game 6 of the World Series with your team leading three games to two and you ask the manager to take you out?

Do you understand the magniotude of this on the gutlessness scale?

 

And you're gonna sit there and actually publicly post that this is one of his best postseason games? No offense but what planet are you from?

You're right, that is my mistake putting that one on the list. Obviously not one of the best. but like I also said I didnt put a lot of analysis into that list..threw it together real quick. Had I thought about it i'm sure I wouldnt have thrown it in there.

 

but like Keep The Faith said, do you really want a guy with a bad finger out there? I wouldnt.

 

 

..also, I love how you didnt have anything to say aboutthe other games I posted. So much for you're theory that he has never won a big game. And I hope I answered your question :

Name one big game Roger Clemens has won?

 

If you watch him run off the mound after he gets lifted you can clearly see that it dawns on him as he's about to reach the dugout that he should be limping and *poof* like magin the limp starts.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but I find it hard to believe that you remember all of that from a game played months ago.

 

But no excuse for that game, just a bad one I suppose. But what about the NLDS in relief? You always ut my hero down, but you never give him kudos when he deserves it. I post a list of big games and you just ignore it except for the blunder I made on the list. At least I have NO PROBLEM giving the Red Sox credit when they deserve it, and those that have been here for a long time with me know that.

[Cityofchampions33]

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2006/02/08/a_rocket_reentry_intriguing/

 

HAHAHA!

[Mr Crunchy]

clemens

the big game cy young award winner was an underdog to jeff fukin suppan in last years game 7.

jeff suppan couldnt make our playoff roster the year before and now hes a favorite over the legend that is roger??

why is that??

its that way because everyone who ever made a bet on a big game starring roger clemens knew enough not to do that again..

 

if its may 1st and ive got a 6 run lead theres nobody out there i'd want more than clemens

if its october?

i send him home to kobe and kerry and kotex and his darling wife debbie who had to carry her own bags while they suffered in boston.

f*** roger clemens

[TheMeanWalrus]

But no excuse for that game, just a bad one I suppose. But what about the NLDS in relief? You always ut my hero down, but you never give him kudos when he deserves it. I post a list of big games and you just ignore it except for the blunder I made on the list. At least I have NO PROBLEM giving the Red Sox credit when they deserve it, and those that have been here for a long time with me know that.

 

#1 - Division series games are not what I would classify as "big games"

 

#2 - Losses are losses and to suggest Game 6 in 86 is one of his finest moments is simply a joke.

 

#3 - I admitted he pitched well in the LCS clinching game in 86, as he did in the Arizona game he won in 2001. The one hitter vs Seattle was a gem.

 

#4 – Atlanta in ’99? Staked to an early 3 run lead with the Yanks up three games to none? What a heroic effort. This is precisely the kind of no pressure situation that Raaaaaaja thrives in.

 

 

So the greatest pitcher in the last 50 years has by all accounts 3 legit performances in his 33 career post season starts?

What a stud.

Any idea what his TEAMS record is in his 33 post season starts?

 

I'm not saying you're wrong, but I find it hard to believe that you remember all of that from a game played months ago.

 

Whats so hard to believe about that?

I remember a lot of things that happen in a lot of games dating way the hell back beyond last years Game One.

Watch the tape.

The gutlessness exhibited that night was more predictable than a beautiful sunset off the west coast of Negril.

 

 

Like I said earlier in this thread. . .The difference of opinion in this thread can be equated to the difference between the people that have watched Clemens pitch his entire career and those that are commenting on games that happened 3 years before they were born with no first hand experience and whose “memories” of Clemens consist of looking up box scores on CBSSportsline.com

 

Watch the games with your eyes, 26, and don’t rely so much on what Tim McCarver or your Rotisserie Baseball magazines tell you.

 

 

TMW

 

PS – If you want me to go into Clem’s big game failures just say the word, I got all day, and yeah, I remember them.

[ARod2212]

Pedro Martinez wanted the ball in 2003, that didn't end well. Is he a winner because he blew that game?

[TheMeanWalrus]

Great post :thumbsup:

[Paradisecity]

I do not want to see Roger Clemens on the Red Sox.

 

If Raja comes to Boston he'll make 15 million + to post a high 3, low 4 era.

 

And we sure as s*** know how he'll pitch against the yankees when we need him in September, and against the opposition in October.

 

This is the AL East, not the NL Central. You need brass balls, not raisins.

[MC Hammer]

Pedro Martinez wanted the ball in 2003, that didn't end well. Is he a winner because he blew that game?

Theres a big difference between wanting to stay in the game too long, and never wanting to be in the game in the first place.

[TheMeanWalrus]

Theres a big difference between wanting to stay in the game too long, and never wanting to be in the game in the first place.

 

 

 

Well said

[26 to 6]

Watch the games with your eyes, 26, and don’t rely so much on what Tim McCarver or your Rotisserie Baseball magazines tell you.

I have watched a bit of old Clemens games. Old games in general I guess.

 

But fair enough, differnece in opinion is fine.

 

Pedro Martinez wanted the ball in 2003, that didn't end well. Is he a winner because he blew that game?

[Mr Crunchy]

ive been thinking about this for a couple days

now lets face facts

he took the home town discount in houston then proceeded to stick an 18million dollar arbitration victory up the ass of dray mcclain.he wont be in houston by logical thinking

 

he had his a.l grand finale 3 years ago

he'll look like a fool negotiating with the yanks as andy petitte wallows in houston

 

who is he posturing for?

texas maybe?...theyve been known to overpay october failures big bucks,ask mayrod....

could it really be that hes coming here?

 

i think he gets a charge out of this

sort of like brittany spears teasing the papparazzi.....

f*** him

[MC Hammer]

ive been thinking about this for a couple days

now lets face facts

he took the home town discount in houston then proceeded to stick an 18million dollar arbitration victory up the ass of dray mcclain.he wont be in houston by logical thinking

Players don't come up with their own arbitration figures.

 

i think he gets a charge out of this

sort of like brittany spears teasing the papparazzi.....

f*** him

He gets a charge out of people making up stories that he might go to Boston or NY ...... thats news to me.

[elsrbueno]

I do not want to see Roger Clemens on the Red Sox.

 

If Raja comes to Boston he'll make 15 million + to post a high 3, low 4 era.

 

And we sure as s*** know how he'll pitch against the yankees when we need him in September, and against the opposition in October.

 

This is the AL East, not the NL Central. You need brass balls, not raisins.

 

exactly. Why pay $15mil+ for another David Wells?

 

12-15 wins, 4.0ish ERA-- David can do that WITHOUT the $15mil price tag.

[Mr Crunchy]

Players don't come up with their own arbitration figures.

 

agreed

and home town discounts dont cost 18,000,000.00 either

[MC Hammer]

Players don't come up with their own arbitration figures.

 

agreed

and home town discounts dont cost 18,000,000.00 either

... what sense does that make? Should the arbitrator have given the Stros a discount? I dont really understand that last statement.

[26 to 6]

ive been thinking about this for a couple days

now lets face facts

he took the home town discount in houston then proceeded to stick an 18million dollar arbitration victory up the ass of dray mcclain.he wont be in houston by logical thinking

 

he had his a.l grand finale 3 years ago

he'll look like a fool negotiating with the yanks as andy petitte wallows in houston

 

who is he posturing for?

texas maybe?...theyve been known to overpay october failures big bucks,ask mayrod....

could it really be that hes coming here?

 

i think he gets a charge out of this

sort of like brittany spears teasing the papparazzi.....

f*** him

It wasnt an arbitration ruling. When Houston offered him arbitration, during the numbers exchange Clemens requested $22 Million and I think the Astros offered somewhere in the $5-$8 Mil range. Knowing that they would obviously lose their arbitration hearing to the Cy Young winner they chose to negotiate rather than go to arbitration (VERY Common as you all know) and they came up with $18. But after 2004 Clemens made it clear that if he played a second year in Houston that there woule be no hometown discount (Those were his words). However, the year prior, where he made like $5 Mil, that was a hometown duscount.

 

So to answer your question hometown discounts dont cost $18 mil.

[Optimist]

Plenty of other times I have seen you be completely unrealistic in predictions and such

 

Sports fans being unrealistic about their teams?! NEVER!

 

Especially not on TalkSox....

 

:harhar:

[KeepTheFaith1229]

Sports fans being unrealistic about their teams?! NEVER!

 

Especially not on TalkSox....

 

:harhar:

 

I'm biased but at least I'm realistic...