Theo rejoins Red Sox

[gosox613]

Doesnt griffey wanna stay in cinci? he grew up there and his dad played there

[Plumpamania]

Unless CIN picked up most of his tab or they took Matt Clement instead of Arroyo, I'm against this trade. I don't like it.

 

I still think Arroyo and Declarmen would be better suited to Seattle for Jeremy Reed.

[elsrbueno]

Unless CIN picked up most of his tab or they took Matt Clement instead of Arroyo, I'm against this trade. I don't like it.

 

I still think Arroyo and Declarmen would be better suited to Seattle for Jeremy Reed.

 

Talent wise, that makes a lot of sense.

 

The Red Sox would take a huge PR hit trading Arroyo though-- especially since he just came out and said how he wants to be in Boston his whole career.

 

I agree about Griffey though. Cincinnati's got to take some of the risk out of it by picking up a big portion of Griffey's salary before this deal is considered.

 

EDIT:In the ideal world Wells either goes to Seattle for Reed, or goes somewhere else (San Fransisco, LA, Anaheim, San Diego, Arizona) in a 3-way where we get Reed.

 

Second choice: Clement for Reed.

 

Third Choice: Arroyo for Reed.

[Plumpamania]

Damon said he'd rather retire than go to the Yankees. Arroyo can go if it betters the team. I don't care about PR. Most fans don't understand the ins and outs of running a team.

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Damon said he'd rather retire than go to the Yankees. Arroyo can go if it betters the team. I don't care about PR. Most fans don't understand the ins and outs of running a team.

Fan reaction is irrelevant. Player reaction is important. Trading Arroyo could affect their ability to extend the likes of Ortiz and Beckett, and it could sour the opinion of Boston's FO in the minds of future FA signings. Not necessarily a good position to be in when it comes to negotiating time.

[jsinger121]

on the griffey matter he is under contract to the reds until 2009 at big money. that makes it even more of a risk. 4 more years for an injury prone player is too much of a gamble.

[RedSoxRooter]

Yeah, I withdraw my Griffey plea. I didn't know until this morning he was under contract until 2009. I thought it was like 2007.

 

I just don't like Coco Crisp or Reed as much as everyone else.

[riverside sluggers]

I just don't like Coco Crisp or Reed as much as everyone else.

 

Who do you suggest the Red Sox should get since they are looking for a center field er not already with the organization?

[a700hitter]

Who do you suggest the Red Sox should get since they are looking for a center field er not already with the organization?

Go get Griffey. Play him two years in CF then move him to a part-time corner and DH.

[riverside sluggers]

Go get Griffey. Play him two years in CF then move him to a part-time corner and DH.

 

Sox shoot down Griffey, Finley rumors

The Red Sox continue talks with other teams regarding a successor to Johnny Damon in center field, but a high-ranking Sox official shot down two rumors circulating Thursday. One rumor making the rounds had Steve Finley, the Giants' fourth outfielder, coming to Boston for David Wells. Another apparently inaccurate rumor had the Sox sending Arroyo to Cincinnati in a deal for Ken Griffey Jr., who is signed with the Reds through 2009 and could veto a deal to Boston.

[jsinger121]

not surprising at all. the red sox don't want to be tied to griffey's big contract for 4 more years when the guy has injury prone written all over him and will only decline further in the outfield.

[a700hitter]

You asked for suggestions.

[riverside sluggers]

You asked for suggestions.

Yes I realize that, but I was asking for plausible suggestions. Griffey rumor was shot down this morning, making this deal even less likely of a chance.

[jsinger121]

it would have been a bad deal to begin with....griffey 4 more years at big money.....no thanks

[a700hitter]

Yes I realize that, but I was asking for plausible suggestions. Griffey rumor was shot down this morning, making this deal even less likely of a chance.

It would be plausible, if the Sox made an effort to get Griffey.

[jsinger121]

the only reason you want griffey is because he is a star player. he can't play centerfielder anymore. he has been injury prone the last 3-4 seasons. he is signed for 4 more years at big money. why should the sox even pursue someone like him? because what they want to show the fans that they can bring star players in.

[Plumpamania]

Which is a bad idea. Jeff DaVannon. Eric Byrnes would have been nice too. But DaVannon fits the mold we need.

 

 

Arroyo for Ryan Church anyone?

[a700hitter]

the only reason you want griffey is because he is a star player. he can't play centerfielder anymore. he has been injury prone the last 3-4 seasons. he is signed for 4 more years at big money. why should the sox even pursue someone like him? because what they want to show the fans that they can bring star players in.

I think the guy still has plenty left in the tank. He is a step slower, but he still has a lot to offer. The sox still have the $ they saved on Pedro, Damon and Renteria to reallocate.

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I think the guy still has plenty left in the tank. He is a step slower, but he still has a lot to offer. The sox still have the $ they saved on Pedro, Damon and Renteria to reallocate.

I agree. I think h eneeds to get out of Cincinnatti and back into the AL where he can play the OF, DH a little, and all that stuff. Hes not that old and can still produce. Thats why I was somewhat in favor of us (Yankees) getting him last year at the trade deadline. Only turnoff is his contract and his contract length.

 

Ive always been a big fan of Griffey and I hope he can turn it around.

[Manny Goes Boom]

HAHAHA, What about Andruw Jones?

 

Just stirring the pot and having a lil fun with you guys don't take this as a serious suggestion unless you know something that I don't.

[krazeebrainz]

Ken Griffey Jr. is a household baseball name that has also but tainted by the thought and question "Imagine how good he could have been if he stayed healthy." I know that Griffey did have a good season last year, no questioning that. The question is do you want to work toward the World Series for one year, or set the table for years to come?

 

I think that picking up Griffey would be a mistake. His history of injury is enough to have me shy away from him. I would much rather see the Sox put someone between 22 and 30in center field and set the table for the upcoming season and seasons to come.

 

Though Griffey remains a solid fielder, he has lost a step. He isn't nearly as fast as he used to be and as the body gets older, healing takes that much longer. His injuries are bound to surface once again in the near future; it's the nature of the beast. Bearing this in mind, I think that I would rather pay a young ball player 8-10 million per year who shows serious promise and upside as opposed to signing a ball player who has had only 1"healthy" season in four years. The cost-to-benefit ratio is not only out of wack, it strikes me as a very expensive gamble.

 

I just keep thinking of his 2002 through his 2004 seasons. Griffey only played 70 games in 2002, 53 games in 2003 and 83 games in 2004.

 

Dis a no looka too good...

-krazeebrainz:thumbdown

[jsinger121]

Griffey is actually under contract until 2008 with a team option for 2009 something the reds will never pick up. he is still owed big money those next 3 years. no matter how much the red sox saved on pedro, damon, and renteria i want no part of griffey for the mere fact he is a DH now and he cannot stay healthy and carries a big contract. the red sox front office is smarter than going after players like ken griffey jr. who are on the downside of their career.

[Plumpamania]

Griffey is not the answer.

[jsinger121]

i am in total agreement with you. griffey would be a terrible pickup

[seabeachfred]

I think the guy still has plenty left in the tank. He is a step slower, but he still has a lot to offer. The sox still have the $ they saved on Pedro, Damon and Renteria to reallocate.

700 Hitter; a Griffey trade is a risk because of his injury prone body could break down at any time, but it would also block Jacoby Ellsbury's move into Centerfield for the Red Sox in one or two years. This guy is the real deal, a leadoff man who can hit, run ,steal bases, is an outstanding CF, and a classy young man. His progress must not be halted for an instant. As for Theo being back, tell me, this: Did we have to take two and a half months to make a circle that led right back to where we started from? All that time lost.

[a700hitter]

700 Hitter; a Griffey trade is a risk because of his injury prone body could break down at any time, but it would also block Jacoby Ellsbury's move into Centerfield for the Red Sox in one or two years. This guy is the real deal, a leadoff man who can hit, run ,steal bases, is an outstanding CF, and a classy young man. His progress must not be halted for an instant. As for Theo being back, tell me, this: Did we have to take two and a half months to make a circle that led right back to where we started from? All that time lost.

Griffey would play CF in 2006 and 2007 at most. In 2008 or earlier, move him to a corner or DH. This would not hinder Ellsbury's progress

at all. As far as I know, there are no plans for him to make the ML roster in '06.

 

As an asside, whether Ellsbury is a "classy young man" is irrelevant. It may be important to his agent and the club for marketing purposes, but that translates into zippo on the field. Some of the greatest players were crude, profane and totally without class, e.g. Cobb, Ruth, and to a large extent Teddy Ballgame.

[jsinger121]

griffey can hardly play center field right now. there is no way i want him for 2 seasons in center when he is already declining as an outfielder. plus the red sox already have a DH who is already a much better player than griffey is right now and making less money than him. there is no way in hell the red sox are going to waste resources and money on a declining/off injured player in griffey.

[a700hitter]

griffey can hardly play center field right now. there is no way i want him for 2 seasons in center when he is already declining as an outfielder. plus the red sox already have a DH who is already a much better player than griffey is right now and making less money than him. there is no way in hell the red sox are going to waste resources and money on a declining/off injured player in griffey.

I think we know where we both stand on this. Let's not sound like broken records. In my last post, I was merely responding to the statement that he was would be blocking Ellsbury's progress. That is just not true.

[jsinger121]

i don't about griffey blocking ellsbury because he wouldn't. what i am saying is with griffey's injury history he has a taken a big step back in center field. he doesn't play with the same kind of fire in the outfield like he once did. his range is declining and combine that with his inability to stay healthy combined with big money coming his way the next 3 seasons it would be stupid to bring him to boston just for the sake of appeasing the fans with a so called star player when clearly he is not the best option.

[a700hitter]

i don't about griffey blocking ellsbury because he wouldn't. what i am saying is with griffey's injury history he has a taken a big step back in center field. he doesn't play with the same kind of fire in the outfield like he once did. his range is declining and combine that with his inability to stay healthy combined with big money coming his way the next 3 seasons it would be stupid to bring him to boston just for the sake of appeasing the fans with a so called star player when clearly he is not the best option.

I know. I know. You've said the same thing in numerous posts. Don't your fingers get tired?