RUMOR: Manny & CLement for Tejada deal done ...

[ClayBuchholzIsDaFuture]

Keyword: RUMOR

 

According to an orioles message board the deal is done, only thing holding it up is that manny wants an extension ...lol.. manny being manny i guess ...

 

 

Link: http://www.orioleshangout.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28825 :dunno:

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I doubt it is true..its coming from a message board. Also, doesnt Manny have a couple years left on his current contract, why would he need an extension.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

I doubt it also. Its too complicated to get done like that.

[guapo34]

While I doubt its true I hope it is. If Manny vetoes a trade it'd be a lot easier for us to not trade him. If they work out the money we end up with Tejada, which is by far the best rumored Manny deal so far.

[ksushi]

Assuming it is done, does this mean we are staying in house with centerfield?

[ORS]

I doubt it is true..its coming from a message board. Also, doesnt Manny have a couple years left on his current contract, why would he need an extension.

I doubt it as well. Now, don't take this the wrong way, I'm merely going to answer your question. I've heard it mentioned that Manny wants the 2009 and 2010 options on his contract picked up by the team he is traded to.

[guapo34]

We don't really have an in house option at center field. Adam Stern? His defense looked excellent last year but he might be the worst regular hitter in baseball if he plays regularly.

[ksushi]

I'm not doubting this so much. I think something is happening, because its right about time that something does happen, but I don't know if a done manny deal is what happened. I think its probably close, but this deal doesn't make sense. Now, I don't like Tejada as a Sox, but I see why they would want him. So far he is the closest to value, so I'll take that for what it is. It seems like we are throwing Clement in for nothing though, but thats even ok with me. All of this is O.K. with me provided we keep the farm system intact. That doesn't seem possible to me though, how do we fill center? I really don't have a good answer because now we also need a left fielder. I assume that Marte could be an option in left field as he has some experience there, but that still leaves center open? I suppose wells could bring back a center fielder but then we are short one bullpen arm and are possibly leaving a Yhency Brazoban deal on the table. I for one, am not comfortable leaving that deal on the table anymore then I am comfortable playing with two outfielders next season.

 

Anyone have an estimate as to how much Shoppach would be worth on the trade block?

[26 to 6]

I doubt it as well. Now, don't take this the wrong way, I'm merely going to answer your question. I've heard it mentioned that Manny wants the 2009 and 2010 options on his contract picked up by the team he is traded to.

Thanks, I hadnt heard that. But wanting an extension and wanting someone to pick up an option are two different things, perhaps whoever reported he wanted an extension was mistaken or something...who knows.

[ksushi]

We don't really have an in house option at center field. Adam Stern? His defense looked excellent last year but he might be the worst regular hitter in baseball if he plays regularly.

 

Ellsbury. I'm not happy with that this year though, maybe next, but i'd at least like to see a stop gap from somewhere.

 

EDIT - the options are actually quite significant and no they're not that different from an extension. Its a deal breaker if there ever was one.

[guapo34]

I think theres a pretty good chance they already have something in place to replace Manny in left if this deal goes through. It could be signing Preston Wilson cuz they think he'd be better in left, or him in right with Nixon in left, and thats why they didn't go after him to play center, or a trade lined up for someone like Drew or Abreau. As for the bullpen, it seems we still have foulke, timlin, mota, seanez, hansen, dinardo, delcarmen, van buren, and the rule 5 guy as options there. Filling one of our holes may mean trading a good prospect, but i think they can get something done while keeping lester, pappelbon, and marte. Those are the only 3 I really don't want traded.

[yankeessuck013]

I just read a rumor on Rotoworld that says they're looking into signing Preston Wilson. Good for them! I don't like him as a player, as I think he's greatly overrated, but I do think it's time the Pirates put better players on the field than they have in the past; at least the Pirate fans can go to the ballpark and expect to see some runs put on the board and a better chance of winning.

 

back to the manny trade, I also doubt that it is that simple.

[ksushi]

I just read a rumor on Rotoworld that says they're looking into signing Preston Wilson. Good for them! I don't like him as a player, as I think he's greatly overrated, but I do think it's time the Pirates put better players on the field than they have in the past; at least the Pirate fans can go to the ballpark and expect to see some runs put on the board and a better chance of winning.

 

back to the manny trade, I also doubt that it is that simple.

 

Was preston close with the pirates or something? Cause i hadn't heard that.

 

Oh, and preston sucks. I don't think he is an option at all. No thanks, Ill keep manny if thats what it means.

 

And, guapo, if Lester Papelbon and Marte are the only three prospects you want to keep then you are vastly underrating Delcarmen, Pedroia, Bowden and Edgar Martinez.

[yankeessuck013]

yeah pirates sorry I forgot to say what team, but it is an upgrade for that team.

[guapo34]

I'm not saying i think we should get rid of them for nothing, but some people seem to think players like this aren't worth trading under any circumstances. I disagree.

[Beckett95]

I think theres a pretty good chance they already have something in place to replace Manny in left if this deal goes through. It could be signing Preston Wilson cuz they think he'd be better in left, or him in right with Nixon in left, and thats why they didn't go after him to play center, or a trade lined up for someone like Drew or Abreau. As for the bullpen, it seems we still have foulke, timlin, mota, seanez, hansen, dinardo, delcarmen, van buren, and the rule 5 guy as options there. Filling one of our holes may mean trading a good prospect, but i think they can get something done while keeping lester, pappelbon, and marte. Those are the only 3 I really don't want traded.

 

maybe, IF this does really happen, we can get a J.D. Drew deal from LA with D.Wells.

 

maybe--

LA gets--Wells, decent prospect (alvarez, Pinckney, Rozier)

Bos gets--Drew

 

there was talk a while ago they might give up Drew and some of his contract for Wells

[ksushi]

Well considering that the asking price right now is Lester for Reed and Meche, it only goes up from there when considering viable trade replacements. So, no, the guys who arent Papelbon Lester and Marte aren't worth trading because what will they get you? A good fertilizer for the infield? Some good grounds crew guys?

 

Look, I'm all for trading a prospect for veterans under the right circumstances, but these aren't those circumstances. We must be prepared right now to be throwing Ellsbury in center, because I don't think we have the trade bait necessary to get us a viable outfield option or two.

 

But hey who knows, I would be ok with Marte in left field next year if thats what it meant, and maybe trade Wells and Shoppach for an outfield option from somewhere. Maybe Ryan Langerhans from the braves, although I don't know if he can handle center. Who knows. The offseason hasn't gone as terribly as some think, but I still don't see the big picture. This doesn't go along with what they have available to them and with what they have done so far. I don't see how this brings us any closer to having some semblance of a big picture. These are all good moves if looked at individually, but together they don't make sense right now.

[ksushi]

maybe, IF this does really happen, we can get a J.D. Drew deal from LA with D.Wells.

 

maybe--

LA gets--Wells, decent prospect (alvarez, Pinckney, Rozier)

Bos gets--Drew

 

there was talk a while ago they might give up Drew and some of his contract for Wells

 

Yeah because Drew isn't on the DL much and he can probably play one of the most physically demanding positions on the field, right?

[Beckett95]

Keyword: RUMOR

 

According to an orioles message board the deal is done, only thing holding it up is that manny wants an extension ...lol.. manny being manny i guess ...

 

 

Link: http://www.orioleshangout.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28825 :dunno:

 

all the orioles fans are pissed over there. I dont no why its a pretty even trade. Manny will put up better offensive of numbers and clement can give them a decent #2 pitcher.

[ksushi]

Well, when you win only 80ish games a season, you don't want to trade you're only marquee player for anyone over the age of 30. You need turn around over a long period of time, so you need to bring in prospects. Basically this trade means they will get to tack 5 extra games on to their last years total. Yay.

[Beckett95]

the deal probaly wont happen anyway since the Orioles probaly wont want to give Manny a 2 year contract extension

[ksushi]

He isn't looking for an extension. He wants his options picked up.

[a700hitter]

The word is the Tejada-Ramirez/Clement trade has been agreed to in principle by the two teams blocked only at this time with last minute complications caused by Manny. Assuming these are ironed out the O's will have to make additional moves. Trade for or sign a SS. Do something about CF as they are not happy with Matos there. With Manny in left they will move Burnitz to RF(remember they paid him $6 million to play next year,) which again displaces Gibbons who now has no position. Conine/Javy/Manny will trade off DHing, while Conine/Javy share first base. This will leave Gibbons as the highest paid utility player in the major leagues and fortunate to get 400 plate appearances next year. Bottom line there are simply too many corner OF/1b/DH's on this team.

It seems that the this trade that has been "agree to in principle," would raise more questions for the Orioles than it would settle. I doubt it is a done deal.

[yankeessuck013]

I love that they think Manny and Clement are not enough for Miggy...

 

I think Tejada is a great SS and wouldn't mind him on this team but as far as best defensive SS... is there any better then Pokey Reese? That guy was a vacum, of course he couldn't hit his weight but defensively he was flawless..

 

He had tremendous range, and his arm was pretty good considering his size but it doesn't really compare to the strength of Tejada. Definetly more steady though.

[guapo34]

Well considering that the asking price right now is Lester for Reed and Meche, it only goes up from there when considering viable trade replacements. So, no, the guys who arent Papelbon Lester and Marte aren't worth trading because what will they get you? A good fertilizer for the infield? Some good grounds crew guys?

 

Look, I'm all for trading a prospect for veterans under the right circumstances, but these aren't those circumstances. We must be prepared right now to be throwing Ellsbury in center, because I don't think we have the trade bait necessary to get us a viable outfield option or two.

 

But hey who knows, I would be ok with Marte in left field next year if thats what it meant, and maybe trade Wells and Shoppach for an outfield option from somewhere. Maybe Ryan Langerhans from the braves, although I don't know if he can handle center. Who knows. The offseason hasn't gone as terribly as some think, but I still don't see the big picture. This doesn't go along with what they have available to them and with what they have done so far. I don't see how this brings us any closer to having some semblance of a big picture. These are all good moves if looked at individually, but together they don't make sense right now.

 

 

Well then we agree about the prospects. I think the lesser prospects have a little more value, and its possible we could spin arroyo and one of them for Reed. Just because they came out and said they wouldn't trade them unless they got Lester or Pappelbon doesn't mean its true.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

With all the damn talking and crap about these rumors I really wish this is the end of it and the deal gets done. Clearly this has been the rumor shipped around a lot lately (Manny and Clement for Tejada) and it needs to either happen or Manny talks need to be finished.

 

If Manny kills this deal by wanting an extension then he should stay on the Red Sox. The front office agreed to do what they could to move him and it better not be killed cause he is an ass hole. Why does this man want his option picked up?? What does he care about money at this point are you joking?? Apparently he doesn't care about loyalty either so I don't want an excuse like "I want to be secure on a team." Either this deal happens or he stays in Boston and deals with his choices he made years ago when he signed the contract.

[Beckett95]

quote from someone over on orioleshangout.com

I think the deal should be Papelbon, Manny, Marte and Lester for Miggy and Mora.

 

that sounds like something the d-rays front office would offer.

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quote from someone over on orioleshangout.com

 

 

that sounds like something the d-rays front office would offer.

haha those Orioles fans are riduculous

[BigPapiEnFuego]

So this must not be true. It's been 6 hours since this post and nothing about it is anywhere else.

[ksushi]

Yeah, thats what I am starting to think. Seems to me like it may have just been made up, or signals got crossed.