Danys Baez headed to the Dodgers

[Optimist]

I'm sort of the opposite. I despise the Mets and all they stand for...

[ORS]

I'm sort of the opposite. I despise the Mets and all they stand for...

What exactly do they stand for other than trying to win baseball games? I guess I missed the mission statement where they came out in favor of ethnic cleansing and forced prostitution. :sarcasm:

[Moose]

http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=37396

 

Great read.

 

According to the poll, only 3 Yankee fans are one-team fans.

[Optimist]

What exactly do they stand for other than trying to win baseball games? I guess I missed the mission statement where they came out in favor of ethnic cleansing and forced prostitution. :sarcasm:

 

 

I should have said something like 'fans' instead of 'everything they stand for.' It just sounded better, though.

[KeepTheFaith1229]

The Mets bullpen is officially beast. That having been said, maybe they'll finish third this year instead of fourth.

[Redguitar985]

It seems to me that the Mets are doing what the 1997 Marlins did, they rented a team, went out and got all the good players and then after they won the WS they had a fire sale, the Mets clearly have to money to continue if they win the WS, but if they don't my guess is that they have a firesale.

 

That would be so funny. I HATE the Mets!!!!

[KeepTheFaith1229]

Omar Minaya doesn't know what a fire sale is. He'll probably go out and trade David

Wright for Barry Bonds.

[Plumpamania]

Omar Minaya doesn't know what a fire sale is. He'll probably go out and trade David

Wright for Barry Bonds.

 

I'll give him Manny Ramirez for David Wright straight up. Hell, he loves his Latinos, I'll give him Mike Lowell too.

[jsinger121]

If Omar ever traded David Wright he should be fired immediately. He is a star a corner position. Very Hard to find.

[Plumpamania]

If Omar ever traded David Wright he should be fired immediately. He is a star a corner position. Very Hard to find.

 

 

I know and I was poking fun at Minaya's love for Latino ball players which is very well documentated.

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I know and I was poking fun at Minaya's love for Latino ball players which is very well documentated.

yea definately, me and my Latin friend joke about it all the time. About how theyre going to stop selling hot dogs at Shea from now on and replace them with burritos and rice and latin dishes.

 

But you guys made omar out to be a bad GM when in fact he is a very good GM.

[Plumpamania]

yea definately, me and my Latin friend joke about it all the time. About how theyre going to stop selling hot dogs at Shea from now on and replace them with burritos and rice and latin dishes.

 

But you guys made omar out to be a bad GM when in fact he is a very good GM.

 

I'd argue that. He left DC as a mess, with no farm system to speak of. He came to the Mets and dealt off every prospect not named Pelfrey (he wasn't signed lol), Humber (injured and couldn't) and Bannister. Milledge he didn't trade either, but I started off with the SP prospects, for that's the keyf or any team is cheap young pitching.

 

Omar Minaya has overpaid, whether by prospects or money, for aging ball players. Martinez, no matter how much we love him, isn't worth a 4 year contract. Beltran was overpaid. Lo Duca was over paid (prospects), Delgado is leaving his prime. Wagner shouldn't have gotten a 5 year contract and much more.

 

Minaya is an idiot playing with $$.

[jsinger121]

The Mets will definitely pay for cleaning out their farm system if they don't win the World Series within the next two seasons because afterthat alot of the players will be getting up there in age and they will start the downward parts of there career and will continue to eat up the Mets payroll.

[26 to 6]

I disagree. He hasnt done a bad job with the prospects. IMO the worst deal involving prospects that he made was trading Petit and Jacobs, but its understandable for Delgado. I dont have it all in front o me but tomorrow i'll take a look at his positives and negatives and analyze from there.

 

Considering what he had to work with in Montreal I think it is unfair to say he left it a mess, there wasnt much he could do.

[jsinger121]

The mets practically have no farm system. They have mortgaged it for a quick fix and to try win a world series within the next 2-3 years. If they don't win it all they will pay for it by having no homegrown players coming up in the next few years other than maybe millledge and pelfry. But who knows Omar may turn around and trade them at some point.

[thee sox]

Another solid move from the Mets, I don't see many holes in them at this point.

 

Any holes? Their rotation isn't exactly stellar and will keep them out of the playoffs yet again. They are really screwing their future right now...in a few years they're going to have aging stars with huge contracts and no younger guys to back them up. The Mets are turning into an even bigger mess than ever.

[Plumpamania]

I disagree. He hasnt done a bad job with the prospects. IMO the worst deal involving prospects that he made was trading Petit and Jacobs, but its understandable for Delgado. I dont have it all in front o me but tomorrow i'll take a look at his positives and negatives and analyze from there.

 

Considering what he had to work with in Montreal I think it is unfair to say he left it a mess, there wasnt much he could do.

 

 

Grady Sizemore & Jake Westbrook for 3 months of Bartolo Colon. Enough said.

[Plumpamania]

The mets practically have no farm system. They have mortgaged it for a quick fix and to try win a world series within the next 2-3 years. If they don't win it all they will pay for it by having no homegrown players coming up in the next few years other than maybe millledge and pelfry. But who knows Omar may turn around and trade them at some point.

 

Here we are:

 

Lastings Milledge: Projects to be a solid MLB Player

Brian Bannister: 4 Starter

Phillip Hughes: 2/3 Starter

Michael Pelfry: No idea, has to throw a pitch first

 

Those are the only four prospects that project to MLB regulars.

[riverside sluggers]

Many good things are predicted for pelfrey suceeding in the majors someday. At 6'-7", no surprise some batters might be intimidated by him before he even throws a pitch

[Plumpamania]

I knew he was tall, but idk about his pitching repotiore, or anything like that. But I'm guessing BA will project him presently as a #1 SP.

[ORS]

Minaya reminds me of the Duke a lot. He signs FAs on the downhill side of their peak just like Duke. He vastly overpays for FA talent still yet to hit peak year. And, he uses good prospects for 1 to 2 year answers in the roster. Jacobs is just as likely to be as good, or better than, Delgado is in two years (this is with Jacobs improving and Delgado declining, which is the most likely thing to occur). I think it is only a matter of time before he starts trying to strong arm draftees into contracts.

[Redguitar985]

I'd argue that. He left DC as a mess, with no farm system to speak of. He came to the Mets and dealt off every prospect not named Pelfrey (he wasn't signed lol), Humber (injured and couldn't) and Bannister. Milledge he didn't trade either, but I started off with the SP prospects, for that's the keyf or any team is cheap young pitching.

 

Omar Minaya has overpaid, whether by prospects or money, for aging ball players. Martinez, no matter how much we love him, isn't worth a 4 year contract. Beltran was overpaid. Lo Duca was over paid (prospects), Delgado is leaving his prime. Wagner shouldn't have gotten a 5 year contract and much more.

 

Minaya is an idiot playing with $$.

 

Yeah, giving Beltran a Manny-type contract after only one stellar season? Just for that, I hope Beltran's averages over the next six years are .255, 75 HR, 360 RBIs.

[Optimist]

Has this happened yet?

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Grady Sizemore & Jake Westbrook for 3 months of Bartolo Colon. Enough said.

I dont blame him for that, they were in contention that year, thought a playoff appearance would be good for the franchise (which it obviously would have been). He hasnt made too many bad trades.

 

The Mets are turning into an even bigger mess than ever.

 

I really dont see how. Nothing they have done this year has been too bad, with the exception of the Delgado trade, giving up Jacobs, (who I think could become a very good ballsplayer) and Yusmeiro Petit and trading Gaby hernandez, but it was for Lo Duca, who is a very good catcher, and who is a payer we needed. All of Minaya's signings have been pretty good. Granted, giving Pedro a 4 year deal wasnt the best move, but thats really his only bad (if you could call it that) move. He came to New York (NY= HUGE Vudget) frim Montreal (Mon = VERY VERY SMALL Budget) and he wanted to make an impact. Say whatt you want, but that move made a huge impact on the Mets. Signing a top free agent pitcher doesnt constitute dubbing him a bad GM (You guys added Schilling, pretty much the same thing). Beltran; a lot of money, but again, a move to make an impact, draw some fans, and sign a very good talent in the meantime. We cant even wuestion the Wagner deal, that was a must, and thats pretty much it for the big free agent signings.

 

IMO the worst move he's made is trading Cameron for nady, but that cut salary. If he was as bad as you guys make him out to be he wouldnt have sliced some payroll and kept Cameron.

 

All im saying is that I think you guys are being unfair. He didnt do anything the Red Sox wouldnt have done. Trading prospects is something you guys have done as well.

 

Has this happened yet?

No. It likely wont happen now.

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Yeah, giving Beltran a Manny-type contract after only one stellar season? Just for that, I hope Beltran's averages over the next six years are .255, 75 HR, 360 RBIs.

What are you talking about? If he averaged 70 homers over the next six years he would be considered a god!!

[jimmycarter05]

360 RBIs? That's more than 2 a game.

[Optimist]

What are you talking about? If he averaged 70 homers over the next six years he would be considered a god!!

 

I think they want those numbers to be his total for the next 6 years.

[KeepTheFaith1229]

Betcha Mike Jacobs hits more homers this year than Delgado.

[26 to 6]

Betcha Mike Jacobs hits more homers this year than Delgado.

I hope so. I really liked Jacobs, this is the one trade I wish we didnt do.

 

But I wouldnt be surprised if he did. Delgado, with his declining power, in that huge ballpark is definately going to decrease in his power numbers.

[KeepTheFaith1229]

I hope so. I really liked Jacobs, this is the one trade I wish we didnt do.

 

But I wouldnt be surprised if he did. Delgado, with his declining power, in that huge ballpark is definately going to decrease in his power numbers.

 

 

We? You're a Mets fan?