Did we just get Beckett?

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

Thing is they keep comparing beckett to otehr NL pitchers that came over and failed, aka Vazquez, Brown, Pavano, etc. so they think he will do the same thing. they just don't get that Beckett is ONLY 25, and is already MUCH better than all of those guys.

The funny thing is Vazquez (at 27) before coming to the Yankees in 2004 had a GREAT year in 2003. In fact it was better then any season Beckett has ever had. So you cant just call him trash previous to the 2004 season. I will repeat what I said in the thread before. Its a good trade if he stays healthy and health is a major question mark with him. If your telling me 9 trips to the DL in 4 seasons doesnt concern you then you are kidding yourself.

[Cityofchampions33]

The funny thing is Vazquez (at 27) before coming to the Yankees in 2004 had a GREAT year in 2003. In fact it was better then any season Beckett has ever had. So you cant just call him trash previous to the 2004 season. I will repeat what I said in the thread before. Its a good trade if he stays healthy and health is a major question mark with him. If your telling me 9 trips to the DL in 4 seasons doesnt concern you then you are kidding yourself.

 

He was 13-12 with a 3.24 ERA, similar to Beckett except for the wins-loss total. Granted, Montreal isn't the greatest offensive team but he was 26 then, Beckett is 25.

[RedSoxRooter]

9 of the 11 trips to the DL were because of blisters. The older he gets, the lesser of a problem it will be. It's not a shoulder or leg or labrea (or whatever) or elbow.

[ARod2212]

Vazquez (2003)- 34 starts, 231.2 IP, 4 CG, 3.24 ERA, 241 K

Vazquez (2004)- 32 starts, 198 IP, 0 CG, 4.91 ERA, 150 K

 

Beckett (2005)- 29 starts, 178.2 IP, 2 CG, 3.38 ERA, 166 K

 

 

Javier Vazquez was a better pitcher coming to the American League.

[26 to 6]

I posted the following in another thread but thought that more people would see it here, so forgive me for double posting.

 

Why do you guys have so much confidence that he will be your future ace. Besides his 2003 Postseason performance, this guy has proven absolutely nothing.

 

He is 7 games above .500 for his career (41-34), he has never gone 200 innings in a season, 3 complete games for his career, 2 career shutouts, doesnt go too deep into games (though he gets you deep enough) as he has never averaged 100 pitches per game for a season in his career, career ERA is 3.46, never had 200 K's in a season, has never started 30 games in a season (not exactly a quality I would want my ace to have), doesnt give up too many homers or walks (which is good), and something I found quite interesting is that 2005 is only the 3rd year he has finished with a w% of at least .500, only the second in which he has finished better than .500, and only the 1st in which he has finished 2 games better than .500 (15-8). And not to mention he's been on the DL about 78 times. So based on all that has been provided, I would hardly be able to consider this guy an ace. And you all know I hate to dig into the stats, but I had to, its the only way you guys understand things. Here is the link.

 

So if you are declaring this guy the future ace based purely on his stuff, then you got another thing coming. because aces arent made because of their stuff, if that was the case Jaret Wright would be the ace of every staff, Brett Jodie would have had a long Yankee career as an ace, Yusmeiro Petit would be the #2 on the Mets staff, Craig Hansen would be the closer for Boston, and I could go on and on about guys who had/have great stuff but were/are not aces.

 

Sorry guys. Like I said, outside of the 2003 postseason, this guy is gar-bage

[example1]

thats what i'm saying. Everyone is so convinced that they have a sure thing here, but fact of the matter is that hes just another one of those NL pitchers who hasnt proven anything in the AL yet. And correct me if im wrong, but dont a lot of Sox fans always rag on us because we have gone out and got a lot of NL pitchers lately??

 

Like seriously, Beckett doesnt have Nolan Ryan numbers, in fact he is only 7 games above .500 for his career, and all these SWox fans are pointing to him to be their Ace.

 

Beckett's numbers (other than innings) tend to look similar to Roy Oswalt's numbers. They had a similar WHIP last year (1.18 Beckett vs. 1.20 Oswalt) and over their careers (1.18 Oswalt vs. 1.23 Beckett). They each get a lot of strikeouts, but Beckett's career 8.97K/9 is considerably better than Oswalt's 7.80K/9. They both have ridiculuously low Opp. OBP for their careers (Oswalt .299 vs. Beckett's .306). Their career OPS numbers are IDENTICAL: .678.

 

2005 OPS: Oswalt .688, Beckett .669.

Beckett was #13 in MLB.

 

Blisters are a weak reason to say that this isn't a good acquisition. Beckett appeared in 24, 26 and 29 games the past three years. It's not like his arm is falling off. If nothing else, his time off will likely only help to preserve his arm. He has the build of someone who will just throw and throw and throw.

 

Mostly I am not surprised that the only ones critiquing the trade are Yankee fans.

 

Are you telling me you would rather have Jaret Wright than Beckett? Seriously?

 

Their numbers K/9 K/BB AVG OBP SLG OPS WHIP

 

Beckett (Career): 8.97 2.72 .234 .306 .371 .674 1.23

 

Wright (Career): 6.60 1.50 .276 .360 .425 .783 1.55

 

Yeah, Beckett may never get over his blister problem, but chances are he'll figure it out. Nobody ever questions Beckett's attitude for pitching and he's not going to let something like a blister keep him from becoming one of the best pitchers in baseball (which he has believed he is since high school).

 

If you really want to look at numbers, don't just provide a link to the stats, but look at the ones that matter. When he throws the ball, people hit beckett like they do Oswalt: not very well. His WAY better than Wright or Pavano or Vasquez. You can look at Pavano and Vasquez throw and their stuff isn't anything near what Beckett has. Beckett just seems better, and his numbers back it up. It is premature to be calling him the next Pedro (the numbers, again, don't lie). Pedro in 2000 had an opponents' OPS of .472 (213 OBP, 259 SLG) which is CRAZY! Last year Santana had an astounding .564, almost a hundred points higher than Pedro in 2000. Mariano Rivera's OPS last year was .465, the best of his career. So Pedro became better than Beckett probably will, but the numbers speak for themselves (as do the millions of people who think this is a coup for the Sox). Beckett is NOT your average pitcher.

[riverside sluggers]

is this trade official yet?

 

if not, are the physicals the only thing making this trade from becoming official in the next few days?

 

Checkup time for Beckett

By Chris Snow, Globe Staff | November 23, 2005

 

Surely, they are oiling the valve caps on the trumpets on Yawkey Way, preparing to publicly proclaim the rebirth of Marlins righthander Josh Beckett as Red Sox ace Josh Beckett. But that proclamation didn't come yesterday, because the Sox are taking full advantage of a 72-hour window permitted by Major League Baseball to inspect the merchandise before completing the deal.

 

The Sox have requested and hope to receive the 25-year-old Beckett's full medical records today. Those would include two recent MRIs of his right shoulder, reports written by the doctors who evaluated his throwing shoulder, and journals kept by the Marlins' training staff throughout his career documenting each of the blisters on the middle finger on his throwing hand. Six times in four-plus big-league seasons blisters have landed Beckett on the disabled list, though the issue appears less persistent than it was earlier in his young career.

 

The Sox presumably will take the same diligent approach with Mike Lowell, the other player the club agreed to acquire in a deal that came together Monday night, a deal that when finalized will send prospects Hanley Ram?rez, Anibal Sanchez, and Jesus Delgado to Florida. It's possible that the Sox will request an in-person evaluation of Beckett and/or Lowell, though an analysis of medical records, coupled with a phone conversation with each player, could be enough to satisfy the club.

 

Provided that the players involved check out physically, an announcement of the deal could come as soon as today or as late as Friday, given the Thanksgiving holiday. Beckett, as of yesterday, was hunting near his vacation home on Herradura Ranch, south of San Antonio, where the native Texan makes his primary residence.

[riverside sluggers]

sorry for double post. According to the Globe's Chris Snow, it seems that the Red Sox want to play nice and be buddies with the Texas Rangers and put together another big trade. hmmm

 

Meanwhile, according to two major league sources, the Sox have spoken with the Texas Rangers about trading for first baseman Adrian Gonzalez, the No. 1 overall pick in the 2000 draft. The 23-year-old Gonzalez, who hits lefthanded, split last season between Triple A Oklahoma and Texas. He hit .338 with 18 homers and 65 RBIs in 326 at-bats with Oklahoma, .227 with 6 homers and 17 RBIs in 150 at-bats with Texas. While the Rangers are believed to be interested in acquiring an outfield prospect, possibly Double A outfielder Brandon Moss, the Sox are likelier to offer up Triple A catcher Kelly Shoppach. Shoppach is a native of Fort Worth.

 

If the Sox were to acquire Gonzalez, they could go with a first-base platoon of Gonzalez and the righthanded-hitting Kevin Youkilis. Youkilis appeared likely to start at third base in 2006 until the deal for Beckett, which required the Sox to take on Lowell, a Gold Glove winner at third base who is scheduled to make $9 million each of the next two seasons.

[Cityofchampions33]

Yeah, I just read that article, at first I though we were goin for Texiera, I woulda just died.

[riverside sluggers]

haha yeah i was right there with you

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for you yankee fans to think about: im sick as any sox fan "oh but he has blisters, and um other stuff". article too long for me to copy and paste. Bottom line, the hand blisters can be easily corrected as throwing a different pitch. The blisters mainly happen on his middle finger, which basically isolates the problem. Each year his innings has gone up and wear and tear have lessenned.

 

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2005/11/23/putting_finger_on_a_problem/

[ORS]

Wow, Yankee fans seem to be in full spin-mode over this trade.

 

Yes, there are injury concerns about Beckett, but the trends certainly look good. His time on the DL due to blisters has decreased from 3 trips in 2003, to 2 trips in 2004, to 1 trip in 2005. Games started have increased from 24, to 26, to 29, as have innings pitched. I've heard it reported by Jack McKeon, sorry no link, that Florida was very cautious with him, and I can't say that I blame them, so that decreased his total innings from what it could have been.

 

Comparing Beckett to Wright is laughable if you look at their career rate stats. Wright's '04 is complete anomaly on his career record, while Beckett's '05 fits in with the improving trend of his record.

 

Comparing Beckett to Vazquez is more justified, but consider the fact that Vazquez had a very good 1st half in 2004, but just fell apart in the 2nd half. He improved this year, but he also went from the best offensive division in baseball to the worst, so the translation probably has him performing at the same level as he did in the 2nd half of '04. Why is this? I've read several articles that suggest he logged excessive innings at a young age in Montreal and in their farm system, so it's not a stretch to assume that his arm is a little burnt up.

 

Not to compare the two, but we saw what happened to Pedro after his arm was worn out. He went from pitching like no one in history to becoming an above average pitcher. I'll take above average any day of the week, but he just wasn't the same. Imagine if he was only above average to begin with?

 

Beckett hasn't suffered too much abuse (lucky for the Sox he had blisters), and is just entering his prime years armed with a 94-97 4-seamer, a 91-94 sinker, and an excellent overhand curve. Scouting reports indicate that he has excellent mechanics, and at 6'-5" 220, he has an excellent power pitcher's build. Could he flame out? Absolutely, but trends and other factors make our excitement completely justified.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

I posted the following in another thread but thought that more people would see it here, so forgive me for double posting.

 

Why do you guys have so much confidence that he will be your future ace. Besides his 2003 Postseason performance, this guy has proven absolutely nothing.

 

He is 7 games above .500 for his career (41-34), he has never gone 200 innings in a season, 3 complete games for his career, 2 career shutouts, doesnt go too deep into games (though he gets you deep enough) as he has never averaged 100 pitches per game for a season in his career, career ERA is 3.46, never had 200 K's in a season, has never started 30 games in a season (not exactly a quality I would want my ace to have), doesnt give up too many homers or walks (which is good), and something I found quite interesting is that 2005 is only the 3rd year he has finished with a w% of at least .500, only the second in which he has finished better than .500, and only the 1st in which he has finished 2 games better than .500 (15-8). And not to mention he's been on the DL about 78 times. So based on all that has been provided, I would hardly be able to consider this guy an ace. And you all know I hate to dig into the stats, but I had to, its the only way you guys understand things. Here is the link.

 

So if you are declaring this guy the future ace based purely on his stuff, then you got another thing coming. because aces arent made because of their stuff, if that was the case Jaret Wright would be the ace of every staff, Brett Jodie would have had a long Yankee career as an ace, Yusmeiro Petit would be the #2 on the Mets staff, Craig Hansen would be the closer for Boston, and I could go on and on about guys who had/have great stuff but were/are not aces.

 

Sorry guys. Like I said, outside of the 2003 postseason, this guy is gar-bage

 

 

If you notice...each year he logs more and more innings...could it be that he is becoming more healthy?? With all the injury problems the Red Sox have had don't you think they would be completely aware of the potential?? He found a solution to his blisters and from what I hear as you grow and throw...your hands gradually become more rough and the blisters go away...look at past pitchers who had the problem.

 

If you are referring to injuries with his shoulder he has been cleared and pitched at the end of the season extremely well. Every year scouts believe this guy can be a 20 game winner. I remember the hype around him when he was drafted. I watched him pitch to Sammy Sosa (when he was on juice) and made the guy look completely foolish (some of you might remember the at-bat im talking about). I watched him dismantle the Yankees in the postseason. Now you are telling me at age 25 this man has too many injuries...he'll never be good like he was in 2003??? If that is the case then Yankee fans are either the dumbest baseball fans in the country or they are just bitter.

 

I was posting here last night and was hoping this morning I would check and see a Yankee fan posting who came over from the NL to the AL and struggled. I STILL have not seen a single name. You say Beckett is only 7 games over .500....he plays for the Marlins....not only that but he has only had three full seasons.....what do you expect the guy to be 20 games over .500. I'm excited to see what his record will be this season with our offense.

 

So apparently we have an 25 year old kid, wrecked with injuries who has passed his time and is basically garbage.

 

......BTW I've never said anything about NL pitchers sucking when them come to the AL...I always blamed it on the Yankees for treating there pitchers like crap....makes sense considering I still don't have any other names.

[ksushi]

How can you call him garbage? Hes certainly not garbage, he averages a strike out per inning and has a 95 mph fastball with good control and good sink, and a great curve. Hes 25, hes 6 months older than Papelbon, his career has just started. He only has, what? like 4 seasons under his belt? Papelbon is going to be an ace caliber pitcher but news flash, he isn't going to log 200 innings in the next 3 seasons, or strike out 200, and probably won't win 20. That doesn't mean he doesn't have electric stuff, it doesnt mean he isn't a good pitcher. It means he isnt ready. The Sox just gave up three prospects(Allen Iverson says: "We here to talk about prospects? Talkin' bout prospects? Not a game, Prospects?") for a pitcher who may gearing up to his prime right now and has gotten better every single year he has been in the majors. When he gets stronger and more durable, he wil be an ace. Beckett is no different than papelbon, he is still in the beggining of his career, he could still be considered a prospect, its just that hes been up in the majors for so long for such a young kid, and he has shown flashes of greatness. I think he will log more innings this year than ever before, Francona is good with managing his starters (cant say the same for his bullpen skills) but hes good at getting the most mileage out of his guys. He won't be running beckett out on the mound for 7 or 8 innings a start. I think that could make the difference because McKeon does have a reputation for really working his pitchers and I know that although beckett only went the distance twice, I bet he went into the ninth a few more times and I bet he pitched into the 8th even more often. It isn't fair to call him garbage because you don't know that yet, its too early. And aside from that, this is a red sox forum, so you can expect alittle celebration when we acquire a 24 soon to be 25 year old ace, so maybe you should probably just leave it be.

[ARod2212]

Beckett isn't garbage, he's a very good pitcher. I still have Javier Vazquez in my mind when I think of Beckett, however.

 

As for the Yankees, we don't need to make a huge response. Johnson, Mussina, Chacon, Pavano and Wang is cool by me as a rotation. Sign Brian Giles, try out guys like Colter Bean for the bullpen, and maybe bring in Ryan.

 

If you guys end up trading Manny, this trade loses a lot of his impact, but as it stands right now, Boston's team slightly edges the Yankees.

[schillingouttheks]

If you guys end up trading Manny, this trade loses a lot of his impact, but as it stands right now, Boston's team slightly edges the Yankees.

Holy hell, am I dreaming or did a YANKEE fan just say this?

[yankeessuck013]

Holy hell, am I dreaming or did a YANKEE fan just say this?

 

haha I was thinking the same thing

 

i was gonna put it in my sig, but there's no more room.....but yeah, I won't forget this moment

[eZ_d0eS_iT]

the funny thing is that once he [beckett] becomes a FA at 35 - 37, thats when the yankees will all of a sudden throw obscene money at him. and if vasquez was such a prize with upside, why throw him away for an aging power pitcher with only a couple years left in baseball. smart thinking! no wonder they have to always throw money to lure players to come to ny, they're impulsive and give away whatever valuable prospects and young talent they have just to aquire someone who may or may not have an impact.

[26 to 6]

I over exaggerated when I said he was garbage, because he is clearly not. It is obvious that he is a pretty good pitcher and has the potential to be a great one. The only reason im making such a big deal is that you guys are making him out to be a proven Hall of Fame ace already, and its gonna come back to bite you in the butt.

 

And example1, im not critiquing the trade, im actually happy you pulled it off, there is a good chance it hurts you. I am critquing the way you guys are tagging him Walyer Johnson. If we hgad got him and we went as crazy about it as you guys, all of you would be saying exactly the same stuff I am saying. Like how do we know this guy can even handle Boston, he is a quiet laid back guy, all the media attention in Boston might drive him crazy and hurt his career.

 

Basically, all I am saying is that you guys should chill out a little, you dont wanna jinx it, do you?

 

There is no denying that this trade needed to be made, but hes not god, hes not Clemens, hes not Pedro, though he could very well become that. But he could also become a Bill Pulsipher, with all the expectations and whatnot and fizzle out to nothing due to all the injuries and whatnot.

You guys are looking at Beckett and Lowell as if this was 2003, its not. Beckett has been shaky last few years and Lowell was not very impressive at all last year.

[26 to 6]

Beckett isn't garbage, he's a very good pitcher. I still have Javier Vazquez in my mind when I think of Beckett, however.

 

As for the Yankees, we don't need to make a huge response. Johnson, Mussina, Chacon, Pavano and Wang is cool by me as a rotation. Sign Brian Giles, try out guys like Colter Bean for the bullpen, and maybe bring in Ryan.

 

If you guys end up trading Manny, this trade loses a lot of his impact, but as it stands right now, Boston's team slightly edges the Yankees.

I am in favor of giving Bean a shot, same with Matt Smith, Proctor, etc... Though I would love to get Ryan to be the primary and all the kids to fill the rest of the pen out. I know they are unproven, but we have to give them a shot as they could become very good, cheap investments for us. Also, I am in favor of signing Giles considering the alternatives.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

Holy hell, am I dreaming or did a YANKEE fan just say this?

I agree with him also. The only problem with that is its November 23. We arent even at the Winter Meetings yet. Its a bit early to be boasting about being slightly better then a team in November.

[ARod2212]

I agree with him also. The only problem with that is its November 23. We arent even at the Winter Meetings yet. Its a bit early to be boasting about being slightly better then a team in November.

Exactly. Something in my gut says these won't be the Red Sox or Yankees at the beginning of April.

[ksushi]

Well, that depends on what we get for Manny and who we sign in this offseason. It also depends on who the yankees get.

[Sizzlin22]

I am sicking of hearing Yankee fans saying "ohhh he's swithcing to the AL so he won't be that good." The guy seemed to handle the Yankees booming offense in '03 just fine when he pitched on 3 days rest in Yankee stadium.

 

Let's jsut say I'm not worried about it.

[riverside sluggers]

Beckett trade on hold through holiday

By Ian Browne / MLB.com

 

While Red Sox fans continue to salivate over the seemingly inevitable prospect of right-hander Josh Beckett coming on board in a trade with the Marlins, it now appears that the deal won't be announced until sometime after Thanksgiving. The sides tentatively agreed on Monday to an exchange in which Beckett and third baseman Mike Lowell would come to the Red Sox, while prospects Hanley Ramirez, Anibal Sanchez and Jesus Delgado would go to Florida.

 

The Red Sox were expected to get extensive medical records on Beckett and Lowell from the Marlins during the early part of Wednesday. Red Sox medical director Thomas Gill likely spent a large portion of his day poring over those records to make sure there were no red flags. With the Red Sox dealing away two of their best prospects in Ramirez and Sanchez, it is understandable for them to be so thorough in their research before officially signing off on the deal. Meanwhile, as of Wednesday afternoon, Beckett still hadn't been notified by the Red Sox that he could be joining them.

 

"Nobody has called me, I have no news," Beckett told WHDH-TV in Boston. "All I know is what I've heard from friends." This isn't the first time the Red Sox have had a major deal looming over Thanksgiving. Two years ago, they came to terms with the Diamondbacks on a trade for Curt Schilling, and former general manager Theo Epstein actually spent Thanksgiving at the Schilling household in Arizona persuading the big right-hander to accept a contract extension and waive his no-trade clause.

 

The Red Sox were successful that time around, announcing the deal the day after Thanksgiving. This time, there is no contract extension or trade clause to deal with. It is simply a matter of the Red Sox and Marlins signing off on the deal and making it official. Barring something unexpected, there will be an announcement in the coming days, whether it is on Friday or early next week. One player who isn't likely to be with the Red Sox in 2006 gave the proposed deal a thumbs-up. Free agent first baseman Kevin Millar teamed with both Beckett and Lowell in Florida before becoming Boston's primary first baseman the last three seasons.

 

"This guy is special," Millar said of Beckett. "That's the bottom line. His makeup is special. I think it's a huge addition. I think Mikey Lowell will bounce back in a change of scenery and absolutely dominate, and I think he's very excited to be a Red Sox." As busy as things have been for the Red Sox, they've been perhaps even more hectic for the Marlins, who also are in the process of sending slugging first baseman Carlos Delgado to the Mets in a deal that is also contingent on medical clearance. In addition, the Marlins announced on Tuesday that they will seek relocation opportunities, because they've been unsuccessful getting a new stadium deal in Miami.

 

The Boston Globe reported that the Red Sox were granted a 72-hour window from Major League Baseball -- which is pretty standard -- to read the medical reports and, if necessary, conduct physicals. As of early Wednesday afternoon, a source close to Beckett said that a physical had not been arranged for the right-hander. It could well be that after Gill and his staff go through all his records, a physical -- which is necessary for free agents but not trade acquisitions -- wouldn't be needed. When the Marlins fell out of the National League Wild Card race, Beckett, in a precautionary measure, opted to skip his final two starts because he was feeling stiffness and fatigue in his shoulder. He said that he likely could have pitched if a postseason berth was on the line.

 

After the season ended, Beckett had his shoulder inspected by renowned surgeon Dr. James Andrews and was given a clean bill of health. Because the 72-hour window technically expires on Thursday's holiday, Major League Baseball would likely grant the teams until Friday to sign off on the deal. Beckett and Lowell have been in frequent contact since rumor of the trade spread like wildfire on Monday. Though they both are said to be excited about the prospect of coming to the Red Sox, they can't do anything now but wait it out. "I've been talking to Mikey like every hour," Beckett said in his interview with WHDH-TV sports director Joe Amorosino. "If we go to Boston next year, Mikey is going to tear it up, mark my words." An eager Red Sox Nation hopes to get the chance to find out.

 

good to hear that Beckett and Lowell are both up and ready to come to Boston. Red Sox Nation welcomes you :thumbsup:

[ARod2212]

part 1

I am sicking of hearing Yankee fans saying "ohhh he's swithcing to the AL so he won't be that good." The guy seemed to handle the Yankees booming offense in '03 just fine when he pitched on 3 days rest in Yankee stadium.

 

part 2

Let's jsut say I'm not worried about it.

 

Does anyone else see the contradiction? If you are not worried about it, then what do you care about what we think?

[ORS]

Lay off the s*** 2212, seeing a contradiction there is pure hallucination. Something can annoy you without being a major concern.

[CrespoBlows]

Duncan? Bean? Cabrera? Henn? etc. etc.

 

Duncan- you may have a point there.

 

Colter Bean- Bean will be 29 years old when the season begins, so please for the sake of all of us, just shut it about Bean.

 

Cabrera- Getting desperate buddy

 

Henn- No response needed.

[26 to 6]

I am sicking of hearing Yankee fans saying "ohhh he's swithcing to the AL so he won't be that good." The guy seemed to handle the Yankees booming offense in '03 just fine when he pitched on 3 days rest in Yankee stadium.

 

Let's jsut say I'm not worried about it.

woahhh....wait a second. That is our arguement because whenever we acquire a pitcher from the NL you guys are always screaming the same arguement. The EXACT same arguement. While it may not have been you directly, many Red Sox fans, including several on this board have used that arguement against us. Talk about contradiction.

 

Dont be worried about it, but I bet you guys are all bitching about this trade if Lowell is hitting under .200, Beckett is on the DL, and Renteria cant field a ball.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

I over exaggerated when I said he was garbage, because he is clearly not. It is obvious that he is a pretty good pitcher and has the potential to be a great one. The only reason im making such a big deal is that you guys are making him out to be a proven Hall of Fame ace already, and its gonna come back to bite you in the butt.

 

Alright who the hell called him a hall of famer???? I don't think anybody did and yes we are calling him an ace. I would like Josh Beckett to hear that so he understands the expectations....the man is cocky and arrogant....has some good veterans around him and a explosive offense. The pieces are set for this highly touted player to fully blossom into an all star.....its not just Boston by the way that is talking this trade up so much.

[riverside sluggers]

Dont be worried about it, but I bet you guys are all bitching about this trade if Lowell is hitting under .200, Beckett is on the DL, and Renteria cant field a ball.

 

damn dude again you guys are all going under assumption that exactly what happened in 2005 will happen in 2006. I guess you guys dont pay attention that Lowell's home will now be a hitter's park with the green monster to the left him, IMO he's a dead pull right handed-hitter. He had 38 doubles this stadium and he called Dolphin Stadium his home, which is kind of a pitcher's park.

 

Again, god this stupid frigging argument "oh duh beckett is going to go on the DL again." Each season the blisters have lessened on him, hmm. Each season he appears in more games and more innings pitched. Hmm, do you see something going on there? Blisters have really just been the biggest problem that will get better. We are not talking about bad knees here or a bad back, blisters can be corrected. He's now got a better medical staff than the Marlins do.