Alex Rodriguez wins AL MVP

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

I'd like to see Jayson Starks slog through a 3 hour game playing 3rd base, and then tell me if he feels as fresh at the end of the game as he would if he just sat on his ass for most of the time. Then do that for 160 games, and tell me how he feels in Spetember after playing in the July and August heat.

 

I agree its really hard....I don't know anyone in baseball that can do it other than Alex Rodriguez. I mean 3 hours of work for 162 days. Thats a whole 486 hours of work a year. Man life is tough on him what a warrior. I will say the hardest thing to do in spots is hit a baseball. Can you imagine how difficult it must be to deliver when it matters most? Wow something like that would be "heroic"

[redsoxrules]

I'd like to see Jayson Starks slog through a 3 hour game playing 3rd base, and then tell me if he feels as fresh at the end of the game as he would if he just sat on his ass for most of the time. Then do that for 160 games, and tell me how he feels in Spetember after playing in the July and August heat.

 

playing defense tiring,lmao.holy f*** wow he has to field 4 to 5 ground ball in 3 hours, wow that must be hard . dont give me this crap that arod doesent hit any homeruns in the late inning cause he's tired.

[redsoxrules]

Most teams have inferior bullpen, and only bring in their closer for the 9th. Meanwhile, you can make a case that most starters are better than most relievers (otherwise they woudl be starting). ARod rises to the challenege against superior pitching (starting pitching, ergo his early HRs) while Ortiz has to wait till its late innings when they bring out the inferior pitchers. So why does Ortiz seemingly have so much more energy than other hitters at that stage in the game? Simple, he doesn't play the field. He sits on the bench and gets up 4 or 5 times a game. ARod has to go through a 2 or 3 hour marathon, can u blame him if he's a little tired by the 8th, as is everyone else except the DH? ARod does better against superior starting pitching, gets tired against the suck ass relievers because he has to play one fo the hardest positions in baseball ("the hot spot"), while Ortiz only has late game heroics because thats when inferior pitching comes out to play and he is energized due to his not having to do anything involved with playing defense.

 

ok well thats hould get some responses

 

oh f***ing please enough with arod being tired cause of playing defense, its f***ing baseball, wow he has to stand up for 3 hours waiting for a ground ball,and whats this arod getting homeruns in early innings is cause he rises to the challenge to better pitching ,WTF are you talking about if that was the case he would certainly have way f***ing more homeruns againts the crappy pitching ortiz gets in the late innings as well .tired or not

[He Hate Me]

I mean 3 hours of work for 162 days. Thats a whole 486 hours of work a year.

 

I have a funny feeling most baseball players don't see it as that simple. Ever heard of the dog days of summer? And plenty of players talk about the grind of the 162 game season, so please don't discount the other 9 guys on the field simply because once again you're trying to build up Ortiz into some kind of superhero. Go read comics for that.

[He Hate Me]

playing defense tiring,lmao.holy f*** wow he has to field 4 to 5 ground ball in 3 hours, wow that must be hard . dont give me this crap that arod doesent hit any homeruns in the late inning cause he's tired.

 

Your own team's players will talk about how hard it is to play a ful season. be a little more knowledgeable. You think playing third base means you stand around and field 3 or 4 groundballs? When you play defense especially in the corner spot, you stay tense all the time, usually on the balls of your feet in a semi squat. Go and do that for 2 hours, then tell me you're not tired.

[He Hate Me]

oh f***ing please enough with arod being tired cause of playing defense, its f***ing baseball, wow he has to stand up for 3 hours waiting for a ground ball,and whats this arod getting homeruns in early innings is cause he rises to the challenge to better pitching ,WTF are you talking about if that was the case he would certainly have way f***ing more homeruns againts the crappy pitching ortiz gets in the late innings as well .tired or not

 

ARod = energitic early, hits good against good pitching. Gets tired late, so fades sometimes because even suck ass pitchers can still hit 90 o the gun.

Ortiz = energtic late due to no playing D, hits better against bad pitching thus creating some of those late game heroics.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

I had a lot of fun getting this together....

 

Summarization of "He Hate Me" points:

 

1) Standing in the field for 3 hours is very difficult.

2) Late inning pitching is inferior to starting pitching (so Ortiz hits off Rivera who is inferior?)

3) Ortiz didn't hit any clutch hits. It was Manny Ramirez who allowed Ortiz to get them.

4) Manny hits in front of scrubs: Jason Varitek, Bill Mueller, and Trot Nixon??

5) Ted Williams sucked at baseball

6) David Ortiz is the same as Terrell Owens

7) David Ortiz will finish his career with Mo Vaughn numbers

8) Jason Varitek is a pussy who slaps in a fight (who won that fight?)

9) Quote "The biggest bitch move in the history of baseball is trying to slap another man while wearing a helmet and asorted protective gear." (Or is the biggest bitch move attmepting to cheat and slap a ball away while running to 1st then acting like you didn't do anything wrong?)

10) Quote "The things we do to amuse oursleves after a bad postseason." (how did you do in the postseason?)

11) Catcher's gear is considered "body armor"

12) A-Rod does his talking with his stats and his .133 BA in the postseason.

13) Quote to a girl on a message board "how yooooou doing?"

14) Yankees are not a "here and now group." Lets discuss how players are treated when they show up to NY and don't pan out right away. You go through so many pitchers its clearly "here and now"

15) Watches Molly Wringwald movies

 

....you might be the biggest idiot on this board

[He Hate Me]

I had a lot of fun getting this together....

 

Summarization of "He Hate Me" points:

 

1) Standing in the field for 3 hours is very difficult.

 

If you ever played 3rd base or any infield position, you would know you don't simply stand. I thought this would be common knowledge on a "baseball" forum.

 

2) Late inning pitching is inferior to starting pitching (so Ortiz hits off Rivera who is inferior?)

 

late inning pitching is inferior to starting pitching. How many times during a game do you hear the announcers talk about how the team needs to get to the bullpen?

 

3) Ortiz didn't hit any clutch hits. It was Manny Ramirez who allowed Ortiz to get them.

 

I didnt say this. I said numbers wise, Manny's presence accounted for a lot of good pitches to Ortiz. Try not to jump to conclusions so fast

 

 

4) Manny hits in front of scrubs: Jason Varitek, Bill Mueller, and Trot Nixon??

 

Who would you rather have batting behind you, a guy who bats .280 and plays only 130 games a year or Manny? nuff said. Varitek is an average hitter, Manny is world class. Manny isnt even out of Boston yet and already you're disparaging him. :thumbsup:

 

5) Ted Williams sucked at baseball

 

That was something your own people said, not me. Their standard of a great player is someone with a ring. By definition, Ted Williams is not a great player

 

 

6) David Ortiz is the same as Terrell Owens

 

hy·per·bo·le ( P ) Pronunciation Key (h-pûrb-l)

n.

A figure of speech in which exaggeration is used for emphasis or effect, as in I could sleep for a year or This book weighs a ton.

 

 

7) David Ortiz will finish his career with Mo Vaughn numbers

 

Mo Vaughn was an absolute beast when he was in Boston. Noone thought his career would turn out the way it did. And the guy finished with 330 HRs, Ortiz is only halfway there. he had a few great years, if you watch baseball long enough, you know to never base a guys entire career on that.

 

 

8) Jason Varitek is a pussy who slaps in a fight (who won that fight?)

9) Quote "The biggest bitch move in the history of baseball is trying to slap another man while wearing a helmet and asorted protective gear." (Or is the biggest bitch move attmepting to cheat and slap a ball away while running to 1st then acting like you didn't do anything wrong?)

 

Go and put on some body armor, and a facemask and see how tough you feel attacking someone who wasn't wearing that sort of protection.

 

 

10) Quote "The things we do to amuse oursleves after a bad postseason." (how did you do in the postseason?)

 

What the hell does have to do with anything? I commented on how we were all just arguing for the sake of arguing. The postseason commnet was meant for both of us. You're taking offense to innocent comments. What are you, some sort of Republican? If I say the weather sucks, are you going to think that I'm badmouthing your city? Stop acting like a woman.

 

 

11) Catcher's gear is considered "body armor"

 

Why do you think they wear it? It's not cuz it looks good.

 

 

12) A-Rod does his talking with his stats and his .133 BA in the postseason.

 

Thread title says "AL MVP" not "Postseason MVP". Go start your own thread on that if you want.

 

 

13) Quote to a girl on a message board "how yooooou doing?"

 

sar·casm ( P ) Pronunciation Key (särkzm)

n.

A cutting, often ironic remark intended to wound.

A form of wit that is marked by the use of sarcastic language and is intended to make its victim the butt of contempt or ridicule.

The use of sarcasm. See Synonyms at wit1.

 

 

14) Yankees are not a "here and now group." Lets discuss how players are treated when they show up to NY and don't pan out right away. You go through so many pitchers its clearly "here and now"

 

I was referring to Yankee and Red Sox FANS.

 

15) Watches Molly Wringwald movies

 

Its Ringwald, and since you were born after the Reagan administration, I won't get on your case too much.

 

 

....you might be the biggest idiot on this board

 

I thought being an idiot was a good thing in a Red Sox fan;s eyes or did you already forget about last year?

[riverside sluggers]

hits better against bad pitching thus creating some of those late game heroics.

 

again i say he had hit 30 of his 47 HRs against starting pitching, you just dont want to admit he is the best clutch hitter in today's baseball. Season long he had better avg's than arod with RISP, and RISP 2 outs. thats the whole game, not just the late innings. really you got to face it.

[He Hate Me]

again i say he had hit 30 of his 47 HRs against starting pitching, you just dont want to admit he is the best clutch hitter in today's baseball. Season long he had better avg's than arod with RISP, and RISP 2 outs. thats the whole game, not just the late innings. really you got to face it.

 

Then stress that instead of constanly harping on late game heroics. Ortiz has had a great year, I take nothing away at all from what he has done. Did he get help from Manny and having fresh legs? yes. does that make him any less of a hitter? no.

[ARod2212]

Enough with the fellation of David Ortiz and his "late game heroics." The award isn't most clutch player. It is Most Valuable Player for the entire 2005 season (that includes the first 6 innings too). Rodriguez had better stats all around on offense, and played the field with stellar defense. Try to justify it however you want, Alex Rodriguez had a better season.

 

Take 8 A-Rod's on a team, and 8 Ortiz' on a team and see who wins. The fact that Ortiz can't play defense is another strike against him.

Other strikes include:

less homers

less runs

lower OBP

lower SLG

lower OPS

lower AVG

less steals

less hits

 

Ortiz had more doubles, walks and RBIs. He made 2 errors in 82 chances. Excuse me for not feeling more outrage about this selection.

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playing defense tiring,lmao.holy f*** wow he has to field 4 to 5 ground ball in 3 hours, wow that must be hard . dont give me this crap that arod doesent hit any homeruns in the late inning cause he's tired.

I take it you've never played baseball. It requires a lot more than just standing there and fielding the balls that come to you.

 

there is a lot involved.

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When A-Rod does interviews and radio shows hes usuallyy laid back and says the right things, but appearantly DirecTV and XM have a deal andn now all the XM channels are on DirecTV, and A-Rod is on the Kevin Kennedy/Rob Dibble showm and boy he is really showing a different side. He is talking about how he is sick and tired of all the people complaining about how he got the MVP and all the people in general who never have anything good to say about him (such as New England). Something else that gave me a laugh is that when Rob DIbble said "before the season, I predicted you would win MVP" and A-REod respneded with "that-A-Boy!" lol

 

I cant get mad though, hes just showing the human element, which is good. I dont think any less of him.

[26 to 6]

Enough with the fellation of David Ortiz and his "late game heroics." The award isn't most clutch player. It is Most Valuable Player for the entire 2005 season (that includes the first 6 innings too). Rodriguez had better stats all around on offense, and played the field with stellar defense. Try to justify it however you want, Alex Rodriguez had a better season.

 

Take 8 A-Rod's on a team, and 8 Ortiz' on a team and see who wins. The fact that Ortiz can't play defense is another strike against him.

Other strikes include:

less homers

less runs

lower OBP

lower SLG

lower OPS

lower AVG

less steals

less hits

 

Ortiz had more doubles, walks and RBIs. He made 2 errors in 82 chances. Excuse me for not feeling more outrage about this selection.

Good Post!

 

 

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Guys all talk about how selfish he is, but he is like 2 Home RUns away from all time HR leader at SS and then he still went and changed positions. Most guys wouldnt have done that. I hope he gets it some time, like if Jeter goes down and they move him over to play SS while Jeter is out or something.

[He Hate Me]

I take it you've never played baseball. It requires a lot more than just standing there and fielding the balls that come to you.

 

there is a lot involved.

 

A lot of people who say playing defense doesn't affect you physically have never played baseball. Like I said before, stand on the balls of your feet for 2 hours in a semi squat, and tell me how that feels. no 3rd basemen will ever be just standing, he has to prepare himself to field a 100+ MPH liner on every play.

[26 to 6]

Good Post!

 

 

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Guys all talk about how selfish he is, but he is like 2 Home Rnns away from all time HR leader at SS and then he still went and changed positions. Most guys wouldnt have done that. I hope he gets it some time, like if Jeter goes down and they move him over to play SS while Jeter is out or something.

8) Jason Varitek is a pussy who slaps in a fight (who won that fight?)

9) Quote "The biggest bitch move in the history of baseball is trying to slap another man while wearing a helmet and asorted protective gear." (Or is the biggest bitch move attmepting to cheat and slap a ball away while running to 1st then acting like you didn't do anything wrong?)

 

I think it was a very pussy-ish move by Tek to hit A-Rod while still wearing his gear. Not that I expect him to take it all off, but at least take off your mask. Also, who are you kidding, there was no winner to that fight. Keep thinking Tek won if you want, but there was clearly no winner.

 

I still laugh at A-Rod's slap because how funny it is. But I cant get mad about it, he did (or tried to do) what he could to get the job done.

[26 to 6]

A lot of people who say playing defense doesn't affect you physically have never played baseball. Like I said before, stand on the balls of your feet for 2 hours in a semi squat, and tell me how that feels. no 3rd basemen will ever be just standing, he has to prepare himself to field a 100+ MPH liner on every play.

Its unbelieveably hard, before my knees died on me I used to be a Third Basemen, and it is a lot harder than it looks.

[26 to 6]

ANybody know where I can get career postseason stats, the only site I got right now hasnt updated for 2005 yet, just up to 2004?

[He Hate Me]

http://www.baseball-reference.com/

[26 to 6]

http://www.baseball-reference.com/

they only had up to 2004

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Its unbelieveably hard, before my knees died on me I used to be a Third Basemen, and it is a lot harder than it looks.

 

I'm a hockey player...also played baseball...and thats just pathetic how you guys think baseball is tough. The hardest position in baseball is not 3B its catcher. That makes you tired....yet you call Jason Varitek a pussy when clearly anyone who claims baseball is a hard and exhausting sport is a pussy....hahaha you guys make me laugh

[He Hate Me]

I'm a hockey player...also played baseball...and thats just pathetic how you guys think baseball is tough. The hardest position in baseball is not 3B its catcher. That makes you tired....yet you call Jason Varitek a pussy when clearly anyone who claims baseball is a hard and exhausting sport is a pussy....hahaha you guys make me laugh

 

We called him a pussy for his action in a certain situation. Noone said anything about his playing abilities, try to stay focused. We're also not saying 3B is the hardest position to play, noone has said that, and we wouldn't because we played organized baseball before. Try to stop laughing at yourself.

[ORS]

A lot of people who say playing defense doesn't affect you physically have never played baseball. Like I said before, stand on the balls of your feet for 2 hours in a semi squat, and tell me how that feels. no 3rd basemen will ever be just standing, he has to prepare himself to field a 100+ MPH liner on every play.

Two hours? That's funny. How about 30 seconds times 40 batters. That's 1200 seconds, which makes the grueling workout only 20 minutes long. Of course, there are breaks in between each session, and the whole thing takes over three hours. Hardly taxing.

 

I've played baseball; I've been an infantryman in the Marines. Let me tell you. Baseball is a walk in the park. If playing the field were so tough, ARod wouldn't hit the gym after the game 5 days a week, which it has been reported he does. These guys, well most of these guys, are top conditioned athletes. They have everything from energy bars, for the prudish, to speed pills, for the hardcore, to keep these guys sharp during the game.

 

I know you need something to justify why his bat turns into a wet noodle after the 7th inning, but you are going to have to do better than that.

[redsoxrules]

I take it you've never played baseball. It requires a lot more than just standing there and fielding the balls that come to you.

 

there is a lot involved.

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When A-Rod does interviews and radio shows hes usuallyy laid back and says the right things, but appearantly DirecTV and XM have a deal andn now all the XM channels are on DirecTV, and A-Rod is on the Kevin Kennedy/Rob Dibble showm and boy he is really showing a different side. He is talking about how he is sick and tired of all the people complaining about how he got the MVP and all the people in general who never have anything good to say about him (such as New England). Something else that gave me a laugh is that when Rob DIbble said "before the season, I predicted you would win MVP" and A-REod respneded with "that-A-Boy!" lol

 

I cant get mad though, hes just showing the human element, which is good. I dont think any less of him.

 

for your information i play baseball every year 3rd base too . my season aint 162 games and im not pro but i dont get tired playing 3rd base in the ninth inning so i would imagine Arod whose in better shape than me is not freagin tired playing defense

[ARod2212]

I think the basic part of that point is Ortiz gets to sit on the bench and get ready for his next at bat, and Rodriguez has to play the field. Say what you will about the ease of it, it is certainly less taxing on your body to sit on the bench and wait to hit. Especially over 162 games.

[He Hate Me]

Two hours? That's funny. How about 30 seconds times 40 batters. That's 1200 seconds, which makes the grueling workout only 20 minutes long. Of course, there are breaks in between each session, and the whole thing takes over three hours. Hardly taxing.

 

I've played baseball; I've been an infantryman in the Marines. Let me tell you. Baseball is a walk in the park. If playing the field were so tough, ARod wouldn't hit the gym after the game 5 days a week, which it has been reported he does. These guys, well most of these guys, are top conditioned athletes. They have everything from energy bars, for the prudish, to speed pills, for the hardcore, to keep these guys sharp during the game.

 

I know you need something to justify why his bat turns into a wet noodle after the 7th inning, but you are going to have to do better than that.

 

If playing defense is such a non stress sport, then why do baseball players use greenies and such to stay sharp? It must have some sort of effect, wouldnt you agree? Can you imagine a DH who never plays defense ever having this problem?

[ORS]

If playing defense is such a non stress sport, then why do baseball players use greenies and such to stay sharp? It must have some sort of effect, wouldnt you agree? Can you imagine a DH who never plays defense ever having this problem?

Maybe because several of the players are booze hounds that need something stronger than coffee to get the job done. Playing the field isn't that draining, nothing to see here, move along people.

[He Hate Me]

Maybe because several of the players are booze hounds that need something stronger than coffee to get the job done.

 

http://bostondirtdogs.boston.com/Headline_Archives/2004/11/bushschilling_v.html

Kevin Millar said on FSN's "Best Damn Sports Show Period" last Friday that the team drank shots of Jack Daniels at 7:45pm before Game 6 of the ALCS to keep warm in the 35 degree temperatures in the Bronx. Since they won Game 6, they did the same for Game 7. To keep the streak going they switched to Crown Royal for the World Series (Games 1, 2, 3, and 4). Millar said "I'm glad we won in four games, because those Crown Royal shots and Jack Daniels shots started to kill me." He also added that they asked manager Terry Francona to do a shot before Game 4 of the Series to calm his nerves, he obliged.

 

 

 

Playing the field isn't tough, nothing to see here, move along people.

 

Then why not have Ortiz play third base?

[He Hate Me]

It isn't that tough physically. Obviously you need the talent to field any position, but that isn't the argument.

 

You can't seriously believe that playing defense (especially the infield) everyday doesn't affect you physically. I'm sure the entire players union would have something to say aobut that.

[ORS]

http://bostondirtdogs.boston.com/Headline_Archives/2004/11/bushschilling_v.html

Kevin Millar said on FSN's "Best Damn Sports Show Period" last Friday that the team drank shots of Jack Daniels at 7:45pm before Game 6 of the ALCS to keep warm in the 35 degree temperatures in the Bronx. Since they won Game 6, they did the same for Game 7. To keep the streak going they switched to Crown Royal for the World Series (Games 1, 2, 3, and 4). Millar said "I'm glad we won in four games, because those Crown Royal shots and Jack Daniels shots started to kill me." He also added that they asked manager Terry Francona to do a shot before Game 4 of the Series to calm his nerves, he obliged.

 

The speed is for the next day, not the day of.

 

 

 

 

Then why not have Ortiz play third base?

It isn't tough physically. Obviously you need the talent to field any position, but that isn't the argument.

 

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[He Hate Me]

let me know when you're done editing your post so I can reply