Alex Rodriguez wins AL MVP

[gosox613]

They were still very silent , maybe not completely, but still, they were not behind him through it all, (well, maybe Jeter, but thats another story), and if they really did like him then they would have been.

[BoSox Rule]

Rodriguez clearly deserved it.

[ARod2212]

They screwed up the Cy, but the writers did get the MVP right. How did A-Rod get a 3rd place vote? That's a joke.

 

Ortiz had more walks and RBIs. Slice it however you want, you can't give a guy an MVP based on those stats alone, let alone a DH.

[Cityofchampions33]

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/articles/2005/11/14/rodriguez_beats_ortiz_to_win_second_mvp_in_three_seasons/

 

VERY dissapointed, VERY VERY dissapointed, these reporters obviously don't know what they're doing, they screw up the NL & AL Cy Young, then this... Honestly I think they should just let the managers, who actually see the players, vote.

[riverside sluggers]

Ortiz had more walks and RBIs. Slice it however you want, you can't give a guy an MVP based on those stats alone, let alone a DH.

 

actually whats making a debate is the offensive stats he had delivered with RISP, RISP/2 outs, and most significantly from the 7th inning on. He was the most clutch hitter in baseball in 2005.

 

http://www.frankgalasso.com/IMAGES/daily%20cartoon/MVP%20copy.jpg

[Pinstripe_Pride]

Honestly you guys, if you can't admit that Arod deserved the award over Ortiz you either didn't watch any Yankees baseball games or you are just letting your hatred of the Yankees blind you. Arod lead his team in RBIs, Homers, Runs, OPS, and Avg. Ortiz just lead in RBIs and Homers, but was second in the AL in homers to none other than Arod. Arods numbers during crunch time in the last week of the season were hands down much more impressive than Ortiz's. Ortiz's avg. was in the .260s while Arod hit over .300. Arod had better hitting stats than Ortiz and hitting was Ortiz's only fighting chance of winning the award. Arod obviously outshined him defensively with some really superb plays that saved games. Remember guys, it takes a lot to get to that last walk-off hit.

 

Arod deserved it and I'm really surprised that a lot of you convinced yourselves that Ortiz should have won the award over Arod.

[riverside sluggers]

Arods numbers during crunch time in the last week of the season were hands down much more impressive than Ortiz's.

 

still doesnt overshadow how Ortiz came up in the clutch more than Arod did in the entire season.

 

Ortiz in close and late situations had batted .346 with 11 Hrs and 33 RBIs

 

Arod lead his team in RBIs, Homers, Runs, OPS, and Avg. Ortiz just lead in RBIs and Homers,

 

actually Ortiz had led his team in Doubles, HRs, RBIs, Runs, OBP, Slug, Ops, Walks

[MC Hammer]

still doesnt overshadow how Ortiz came up in the clutch more than Arod did in the entire season.

Arod had 12 ... count em ... 12 RBIs in clutch situations this season.

[He Hate Me]

I'm just waiting to see what snide and crass remarks the Boston players will make about this. Will we get another holier than thou, better teammate from Kevin Millar? Or will Ortiz give us another speech about how defense doesn't mean anything when you can hit. Maybe this time he can give his speech to all the FSN channels and ESPN. Obvisouly all his TO like slef promotion antics didnt influence the writers enough

[MC Hammer]

I'm just waiting to see what snide and crass remarks the Boston players will make about this. Will we get another holier than thou, better teammate from Kevin Millar? Or will Ortiz give us another speech about how defense doesn't mean anything when you can hit. Maybe this time he can give his speech to all the FSN channels and ESPN. Obvisouly all his TO like slef promotion antics didnt influence the writers enough

You mean like the snide and crass remarks you just made?

[He Hate Me]

You mean like the snide and crass remarks you just made?

 

Forgive me, I was reading an article where they quote Red Sox players. I obviously had ghood teachers

[yankees4ever]

if Ortiz was cast off aside because of mainly he "is just" a DH. People who voted really dont know or care of how a great player he is and carried the team on his back in 2005.

 

For the Yankees it wasnt Arod who brought the team to the playoffs, if not for Small and Chacon, the Sox wouldve won the East by a not small margin.

 

You're right, he didn't carry the yanks by himself, but he was a big part of it. And if it came down to AROD and Papi, you have to give it to the position player over a DH anyday.

[yankees4ever]

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/articles/2005/11/14/rodriguez_beats_ortiz_to_win_second_mvp_in_three_seasons/

 

VERY dissapointed, VERY VERY dissapointed, these reporters obviously don't know what they're doing, they screw up the NL & AL Cy Young, then this... Honestly I think they should just let the managers, who actually see the players, vote.

 

Yep, City, and if they do, any manager in his right mind wouuld give it to a position player over a DH with similar stats.

[ARod2212]

Funny, I had no idea a 2 run homer in the 8th counted more for the one in the 3rd. Rodriguez beat Ortiz in nealy every category. Quit trying to argue Ortiz' intangibles, he didn't deserve the award.

[gosox613]

Funny, I had no idea a 2 run homer in the 8th counted more for the one in the 3rd. Rodriguez beat Ortiz in nealy every category. Quit trying to argue Ortiz' intangibles, he didn't deserve the award.

So then the picture you use as your avatar means as much as a rbi base hit? Is that what you are trying to say???

[ksushi]

Yeah, I personally don't think A-rod really embodies the idea of the MVP. Sure throw numbers at me all day, but at the end of a day, to me at least, it really comes down to how tough a competitor he is, and how dependent his team is on him. A-rod isn't even the MVP of his team, Derek Jeter is, or Mariano Rivera. Without A-rod that team is still a force, with out Derek or Mariano, the team would not have finished in first place and would not have been so much of a force. Thats my two sense, tear it apart if you want, cause I'm sure its flawed but thats how I think. I'm old school when it comes to this stuff. Its all about winning with MVP, how much your team needs you, how much better you make the guys around you and how much you contribute to the teams success. I just think that A-rod isn't a good MVP.

 

I recognize he had awesome stats, and he is the fantasy MVP, I would take Ortiz on my team over A-rod anyday of the week and I'd even stick him at first base. Oh well, life goes on. To be honest though, if I had a vote it would go to Mariano Rivera, if you're going to tear me apart for this at least don't call me a homer.

 

Re-posting this cause it got lost in the shuffle of a merge. And because i like my opinion better than anyone elses, because its mine and different and special in its own way. Something along those lines.

[ARod2212]

So then the picture you use as your avatar means as much as a rbi base hit? Is that what you are trying to say???

The homer(s) Giambi hit was just as important as Boone's in that game.

 

I actually agree on the Mariano Rivera point, but if he doesn't garner votes he deserves for Cy, he'll never get MVP. He has been the most important difference between the Yankees and everyone else in baseball the last 10 years.

 

I've seen the argument "if A-Rod was off the team they wouldn't suffer that much, Giambi, Chacon and Small saved the season anyway. Jeter was more important." Just think for a second, all the players contributed to the Yankees division title. Take any contributer off the team and they suffer. Chacon and Small were important, so was A-Rod.

 

But if you replace Rodriguez with Rey Sanchez, the Yankees suffer the most. More than if the Red Sox replaced Ortiz with an average DH. More than if anybody replaced any star with an average player in the American League. 1.000+ OPS guys with Gold Glove caliber defense don't get replaced by average players without a ridiculous dropoff.

[BoSox Rule]

Think you could get a smaller avatar NYY2212?

[Pinstripe_Pride]

Think you could get a smaller avatar NYY2212?

No way! I love his av.

[redsoxrules]

Funny, I had no idea a 2 run homer in the 8th counted more for the one in the 3rd. Rodriguez beat Ortiz in nealy every category. Quit trying to argue Ortiz' intangibles, he didn't deserve the award.

 

true but its also true that hitting a 2 run homer is harder to do in the eight inning than in the second inning ,theres more pressure in the eight than the second inning

[He Hate Me]

true but its also true that hitting a 2 run homer is harder to do in the eight inning than in the second inning ,theres more pressure in the eight than the second inning

 

Most teams have inferior bullpen, and only bring in their closer for the 9th. Meanwhile, you can make a case that most starters are better than most relievers (otherwise they woudl be starting). ARod rises to the challenege against superior pitching (starting pitching, ergo his early HRs) while Ortiz has to wait till its late innings when they bring out the inferior pitchers. So why does Ortiz seemingly have so much more energy than other hitters at that stage in the game? Simple, he doesn't play the field. He sits on the bench and gets up 4 or 5 times a game. ARod has to go through a 2 or 3 hour marathon, can u blame him if he's a little tired by the 8th, as is everyone else except the DH? ARod does better against superior starting pitching, gets tired against the suck ass relievers because he has to play one fo the hardest positions in baseball ("the hot spot"), while Ortiz only has late game heroics because thats when inferior pitching comes out to play and he is energized due to his not having to do anything involved with playing defense.

 

ok well thats hould get some responses

[riverside sluggers]

still you are under-rating how great ortiz is whatever pitcher he has to face. either way you are calling ortiz an inferior hitter in the early innings and a batter who starting pitchers shouldnt be afraid of.

 

ARod rises to the challenege against superior pitching

 

im pretty sure ortiz has hit his fair share of HRs in the early innings and against tough pitchers. 30 if his 47 HRs this season came against starting pitching.

 

my opinion, the way you are goin on about ortiz not meaning much because a DH and doesnt deserve a MVP award, you might as well be saying that you dont think he should be a Hall of Famer as well <_>

[He Hate Me]

still you are under-rating how great ortiz is whatever pitcher he has to face. either way you are calling ortiz an inferior hitter in the early innings and a batter who starting pitchers shouldnt be afraid of.

 

 

 

im pretty sure ortiz has hit his fair share of HRs in the early innings and against tough pitchers. 30 if his 47 HRs this season came against starting pitching.

 

my opinion, the way you are goin on about ortiz not meaning much because a DH and doesnt deserve a MVP award, you might as well be saying that you dont think he should be a Hall of Famer as well <_>

 

a HOF?

 

He has 177 HRs!

 

Ortiz has Mo Vaughn numbers rightt now and at artound the same age too.

 

HOF? hahahhaha

[riverside sluggers]

simply put... ass

 

He has 177 HRs!

 

Ortiz has Mo Vaughn numbers rightt now and at artound the same age too.

 

(1) Mo Vaughn by the time he was 29 had accumulated 155

 

(2) rate papi is going 350 will be at the very least ammount

 

(3) intangibles of him being Mr. Clutch time and time again will help some

 

Bernie Williams just hit 275 HRs, so let me guess bernie still has the edge cuz papi is just a dh.

[He Hate Me]

simply put... ass

 

 

 

(1) Mo Vaughn by the time he was 29 had accumulated 155

 

(2) rate papi is going 350 will be at the very least ammount

 

(1) Mo Vaughn had 190 HRs at 29

 

(2) At the rate Mo Vaughn was going at 29, he owulda had 400 HR. Similar builds, similar stats. I'm just saying...

 

(3) intangibles of him being Mr. Clutch time and time again will help some

Plenty of hitters have been "clutch" and not gotten in the HOF. You have to be dominant for a very very long time to even get a sniff. 3 or 4 years won't cut it.

 

Bernie Williams just hit 275 HRs, so let me guess bernie still has the edge cuz papi is just a dh.

 

Well going by your logic that Ortiz is better than Arod since he has a ring. Bernie has 4 of them, so....

[ORS]

Jayson Stark's take nails it for me. Sure, ARod is a deserving MVP, but to think he had a better year at the plate is ridiculous. Just read.......

 

 

link

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

absolutly brilliant Jayson Stark

[He Hate Me]

I'd like to see Jayson Starks slog through a 3 hour game playing 3rd base, and then tell me if he feels as fresh at the end of the game as he would if he just sat on his ass for most of the time. Then do that for 160 games, and tell me how he feels in Spetember after playing in the July and August heat.

[riverside sluggers]

Well going by your logic that Ortiz is better than Arod since he has a ring. Bernie has 4 of them, so....

 

so... did i ever mention in my posts who has more rings? no

 

did i ever mention ass-rod in my post? no

 

you are simply going by the logic of how many homeruns ortiz currently has, not what he will have by his career's end.

[He Hate Me]

so... did i ever mention in my posts who has more rings? no

 

did i ever mention ass-rod in my post? no

 

you are simply going by the logic of how many homeruns ortiz currently has, not what he will have by his career's end.

 

You asked if Ortiz is Hall of Fame worthy. based on his current numbers, my answer was NO. If you are projecting him to continue hitting 40 HR and knocking in 140 RBI for the next 5 or 6 years, then yes I would think so.