Javier Vazquez wants to be Traded

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

According to ESPN, Vazquez would like to be traded to a team on the east coast for family reasons. He had to travel a lot this past season in Arizona and it really made things difficult for him, his two kids, and his wife.

 

My thoughts....I like this guy and always have. I think he has a great makeup and was an all star pitcher for New York before he struggled in the 2nd half. I remember his quote saying "I'm going to make the Yankees wish they never traded me" (something along those lines). What better way to get back at the Yanks than to pitch for Boston. He would be comfortable living on the east coast with his family, and have great motivation to pitch a big season. At 29 years old he still has plenty of years. I would not mind the Red Sox taking a chance on him. Perhaps David Wells would consider Arizona as opposed to San Diego for a trade. I would like the Red Sox to at least explore this possibility and see where it leads them. I don't think its too late for this guy to be an excellent pitcher.

[eZ_d0eS_iT]

well apparently he filed the paperwork to formerly reqest a trade, which to my understanding is the Dbacks have until early next year to trade him otherwise he becomes a free agent. he might pan out to be a solid #2 guy and take over for wells.

[26 to 6]

What better way to get back at the Yanks than to pitch for Boston

well Javy seems like one of those guys who folds under pressure (Monteral/Arizona=No Pressure=pitches good. New York=PRESSURE=Pitches BAd), and pitching for the Red Sox is a pressure packed spot to be in. So as long as that one year folding under pressure wasnt a fluke and he continues to fold under pressure (if traded to the Red Sox), then I think we will be very happy we traded him, because we would light him up like a shed covered in gasoline.

 

 

...But honestly though, I hope everything works out for him, he truly is a very good pitcher and it was unfortunate how his time here turned out. I would love to get him again but I doubt we would take the risk again.

[yankeessuck013]

Javier was our target before we signed Curt Schilling so it wouldn't be that much of a stretch to me to see him end up in a Sox uniform.

 

Schilling

Wells

Wakefield

Clement

Arroyo

Papelbon

 

and

 

Vazquez?

 

Not that I would mind having an abundance of starting pitching... lord knows we could have used it this past year.

[yankeessuck013]

well Javy seems like one of those guys who folds under pressure (Monteral/Arizona=No Pressure=pitches good. New York=PRESSURE=Pitches BAd), and pitching for the Red Sox is a pressure packed spot to be in. So as long as that one year folding under pressure wasnt a fluke and he continues to fold under pressure (if traded to the Red Sox), then I think we will be very happy we traded him, because we would light him up like a shed covered in gasoline.

 

 

...But honestly though, I hope everything works out for him, he truly is a very good pitcher and it was unfortunate how his time here turned out. I would love to get him again but I doubt we would take the risk again.

 

one of the worst mistakes the yankees made IMO was not giving this kid a real chance to settle in. they expected him to perform well right away. the kid got some great stuff, and his strikeout to walk ratio is good.

 

I believe Wells will definately be traded this off season. reports are roberts/otsuka for wells. Otsuka is a very good reliever...but could wells go to arizona?

[ARod2212]

If Javy gets a real pitching coach and is healthy, I would not close the door on him becoming that dominant pitcher we all thought he would be. He was an All Star with the Yankees, most definitely had an arm problem and wasn't the same down the stretch. I think he can still become that ace.

[riverside sluggers]

David Wells could be traded most likely, Arizona might have just emerged as a possible suitor since its on the West side of the country. Bronson Arroyo isnt a definite as well, any 1st baseman trade deals, see his name involved.

 

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hey SchillingisNatural, you were right on target with your thinking.

 

Javier Vazquez: Wants to be Traded

 

RotoWire.com Staff - RotoWire.com

Friday, November 11, 2005

Update: Vazquez' agent informed the Diamondbacks on Thursday that Vazquez will exercise his right to demand a trade this offseason, the East Valley Tribune reports.

 

Recommendation: Arizona acquired Vazquez from the Yankees in the Randy Johnson deal last December. Since Vazquez was traded in the middle of a multi-year contract, he had the right to ask for a trade the following season. This move on Vazquez' part isn't unexpected, as his wife, who has family in Puerto Rico, was said to prefer that her husband play somewhere on the East Coast. If Vazquez is not traded by March 15, he can become a free agent, although he also can rescind his trade demand any time until then. According to the report, no player in his situation has ever failed to be dealt. "We'll deal with it. We always knew this was a possibility," Arizona GM Josh Byrnes said. "We'll figure out something that makes him happy and that we can live with, too." The Red Sox, Phillies and perhaps the Braves might be interested; Tampa Bay, under new ownership, might also be a long-shot possibility, as it would offer the best geographical fit for Vazquez' family.

[yankeessuck013]

Vasquez put the sox on a list of 5 teams he would go to, and the Sox have reportedly "expressed interest"

[Sox Fan on Cape]

Vasquez put the sox on a list of 5 teams he would go to, and the Sox have reportedly "expressed interest"

I wouldn't mind a Wells for Vasquez trade.

[26 to 6]

I wouldn't mind a Wells for Vasquez trade.

probably take more than just wells based on the age difference and the fact that Boomer is working with a lot of previous injuries.

[jimmycarter05]

if the sox want to "free up" money, they wouldn't wanna go after vasquez, who is making 11 million a year

[Cityofchampions33]

Javier was our target before we signed Curt Schilling so it wouldn't be that much of a stretch to me to see him end up in a Sox uniform.

 

Schilling

Wells

Wakefield

Clement

Arroyo

Papelbon

 

and

 

Vazquez?

 

Not that I would mind having an abundance of starting pitching... lord knows we could have used it this past year.

 

Cross out Wells and Arroyo on that list, I have a feeling both will be gone by the end of the off-season.

 

Schilling

Wakefield

Clement

Vazquez

Papelbon

 

That's a very good rotation if you ask me. Vazquez hopefully will be more consistent then Arroyo and Wells, and he'd help solidify our back end of the rotation along w/ Papy.

[jimmycarter05]

Cross out Wells and Arroyo on that list, I have a feeling both will be gone by the end of the off-season.

 

Schilling

Wakefield

Clement

Vazquez

Papelbon

 

That's a very good rotation if you ask me. Vazquez hopefully will be more consistent then Arroyo and Wells, and he'd help solidify our back end of the rotation along w/ Papy.

 

 

schilling-14 million

wakefield-4 million

clement-9 million

vazquez-11 million

papelbon-360K

 

with the exception of papelbon, that rotation is 38 million, even if we do trade manny, it would be a either/or sitatution with konkero/vazquez, we couldn't get both because of the money they'll command

[Cityofchampions33]

That's if we get Konerko. I was satisfied with Huff/Overbay but I see what you mean.

[Soxfan1]

I honestly think Arroyo will be here at the endof all this. This guy is still young and has a lot of potential. I think next to Bill Mueller, he is the most underrated red sox player. I would like Vazquez here but only if we can't score Konerko. With that in mind how do you think the yanks would react to this. They don't want this to happen and it's de ja vu (colon) except with Vazquez.

[riverside sluggers]

yeah but Arroyo has 7 starts in 2005 lasting under 5 innings, 6 of those starts he had given up 7 Runs.

 

If Sox make a deal for Overbay or Huff. No hesitation on my part, I want them to make that deal right away. Bronson's my boy but with Papelbon's debut and probability as a starter, plus signs are pointing to a new starting pitcher being signed... Doesnt that make Arroyo the odd man out because I dont think Sox would go to a 6 man rotation, and Arroyo has balked at full time bullpen duties.

[eZ_d0eS_iT]

schilling-14 million

wakefield-4 million

clement-9 million

vazquez-11 million

papelbon-360K

 

with the exception of papelbon, that rotation is 38 million, even if we do trade manny, it would be a either/or sitatution with konkero/vazquez, we couldn't get both because of the money they'll command

 

 

I still don't believe konerko is coming here. He has a better chance of going to anaheim if he doesn't resign with chicago, which i think he'll try to leverage chicago as much as he can before resigning with them. if we wanted a power 1b, i think we'd have a better shot trading for delgado...

[eZ_d0eS_iT]

I honestly think Arroyo will be here at the endof all this.

 

 

 

The only way Arroyo stays in Boston this offseason is if trade talks break down. You can guarantee Arroyo will be in any possible trade that takes place. Outside of prospects he's the most attractive trade bait for those reasons mentioned and because he has playoff experience and is still relatively young. He's a good pitcher, but I won't broken up over it if he is dealt for a delgado/vazquez caliber player.

[26 to 6]

Cross out Wells and Arroyo on that list, I have a feeling both will be gone by the end of the off-season.

 

Schilling

Wakefield

Clement

Vazquez

Papelbon

 

That's a very good rotation if you ask me. Vazquez hopefully will be more consistent then Arroyo and Wells, and he'd help solidify our back end of the rotation along w/ Papy.

honestly in my opinion it doesnt look much better to me than last years.

 

Schilling-- Still has Question Marks after last year

Wakefield-- OK, he should be fine

Vasquez-- Needs to prove he can pitch for a team like the Sox, where there is pressure involved

Clement-- See Schilling

Papelbon-- No guarantees that he will be a good starter based on his bullpen performance over a half a season (though I think he will)

 

SOme question marks, but I think thats the best you can do.

[riverside sluggers]

eh im still not sure about vazquez, we could have 2 clements for the second half in 2006

 

Myself if im actually setting my sights on lefty Jarrod Washburn, a plus is his career at Fenway Park is under 4

[Cityofchampions33]

honestly in my opinion it doesnt look much better to me than last years.

 

Schilling-- Still has Question Marks after last year

Wakefield-- OK, he should be fine

Vasquez-- Needs to prove he can pitch for a team like the Sox, where there is pressure involved

Clement-- See Schilling

Papelbon-- No guarantees that he will be a good starter based on his bullpen performance over a half a season (though I think he will)

 

SOme question marks, but I think thats the best you can do.

 

Schilling was injured most of the year, but showed some life after he shut down the Yanks at the Stadium, should return to 2004 form. Also papelbon was great as a starter, though he only lasted around 5 innings, still he was most impressive against the Angels, if you keep them to 2 runs or less, I'd call it being a successful starter.

 

Only real question mark I see is Clement.

[yankeessuck013]

SOme question marks, but I think thats the best you can do.

 

the best? I don't think so....

 

we could add Washburn, Burnett, Millwood, or Morris...any of those pitchers will significantly upgrade our rotation, and yes I think we will add at least 1 from that list.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Everyone talks about the money Vazquez would require but isn't that only 2 million more than David Wells?? I thought Wells salary was something around 9 million but I don't know. Certainly at that cost you might as well go after AJ Burnett who I think is better than Vazquez. I have all sorts of feelings about a move with him. First off I like the guy as a pitcher and think he has talent and is a competitor. I also like the attitude he would bring to show teams he can play in a tough situation. On the other side I'm not positive he is the answer, I'm not sure he is any better than the pitchers we have now. I could throw Vazquez in the same mold with Wake Miller, Matt Clement, AJ Burnett, Carl Pavano...etc...players who can be good and show glimpses but you wonder if they can become dominating over a period of time. Guess I'm kinda looking for the slam dunk pitcher and I wonder if he can be that. Only one way to find out I guess.

[26 to 6]

the best? I don't think so....

 

we could add Washburn, Burnett, Millwood, or Morris...any of those pitchers will significantly upgrade our rotation, and yes I think we will add at least 1 from that list.

I think with the exception of Washburn and maybe Morris, Vasquez is better than all of them.

 

Schilling was injured most of the year, but showed some life after he shut down the Yanks at the Stadium, should return to 2004 form. Also papelbon was great as a starter, though he only lasted around 5 innings, still he was most impressive against the Angels, if you keep them to 2 runs or less, I'd call it being a successful starter.

correct me if i'm wrong (which I might be), but didnt Schilling not do so hot following his domination of the Yankees. He had a few bad starts after that didnt he?

 

I still think Papelbon needs more time to prove he can be a good starter, which he likely will be.

[MANNYHOF24]

I think with the exception of Washburn and maybe Morris, Vasquez is better than all of them.

 

 

correct me if i'm wrong (which I might be), but didnt Schilling not do so hot following his domination of the Yankees. He had a few bad starts after that didnt he?

 

I still think Papelbon needs more time to prove he can be a good starter, which he likely will be.

 

If you believe what you read then you would think Curt Schilling with a normal offseason will be fine next year

[MC Hammer]

Everyone talks about the money Vazquez would require but isn't that only 2 million more than David Wells?? I thought Wells salary was something around 9 million but I don't know. Certainly at that cost you might as well go after AJ Burnett who I think is better than Vazquez. I have all sorts of feelings about a move with him. First off I like the guy as a pitcher and think he has talent and is a competitor. I also like the attitude he would bring to show teams he can play in a tough situation. On the other side I'm not positive he is the answer, I'm not sure he is any better than the pitchers we have now. I could throw Vazquez in the same mold with Wake Miller, Matt Clement, AJ Burnett, Carl Pavano...etc...players who can be good and show glimpses but you wonder if they can become dominating over a period of time. Guess I'm kinda looking for the slam dunk pitcher and I wonder if he can be that. Only one way to find out I guess.

You explain why you dont want Vazquez, then say you'd rather have Burnett for the money, then say Burnett is just like Vazquez ... your really contradicting yourself. As far as money goes Burnett is going to get a contract much larger than Vazquez's current, and will more than likely put up worse results. Fact of the matter is AJ has all the talent in the world but just doesn't seem to etiher know how, or want, to use it. Normally, based only on his stuff, Burnett would be the best available pitcher, but he's proven time and time again that he is just not capable of getting it done in the bigs.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

You explain why you dont want Vazquez, then say you'd rather have Burnett for the money, then say Burnett is just like Vazquez ... your really contradicting yourself. As far as money goes Burnett is going to get a contract much larger than Vazquez's current, and will more than likely put up worse results. Fact of the matter is AJ has all the talent in the world but just doesn't seem to etiher know how, or want, to use it. Normally, based only on his stuff, Burnett would be the best available pitcher, but he's proven time and time again that he is just not capable of getting it done in the bigs.

 

Yes I am, because I'm trying to figure out who out of all these pitchers (high talent but haven't proved much) would be able to take there game to the next level. There are those players who go to a certain team and its such a perfect fit they become even better. Players like Tony Graffanino, David Ortiz, Bill Mueller, etc. show up in Boston then all of a sudden really turn it on. So which of these pitchers who requested a trade or are free agents would be the best fit for our team?? Talent wise I have to say Burnett is the best but is he the best fit for Boston?? Then I have to say Javier Vazquez wants to prove something but can he?? Can a player like Kevin Millwood stay consistant a have another good season?? Can Jared Washburn (as a lefty) be productive at Fenway which is not easy??

 

There are a ton of questions surrounding all these pitchers which makes it clear, again, this is not a good market for pitchers. So in the end maybe the smart thing to do for the Red Sox is not get involved.

[ORS]

correct me if i'm wrong (which I might be), but didnt Schilling not do so hot following his domination of the Yankees. He had a few bad starts after that didnt he?.

I wouldn't say a "few". I'd put it at 1.5 bad starts. The 1 being from a 5 ER in 6.2 against the Jays; the .5 from a 4 ER in 6.1 against the A's.

 

Overall, the trend is good though. He went 3-1 with a 3.70 ERA in his last 5 starts, and medically, he still hadn't made a full recovery. He'll be able to train and rehab this offseason, so I think RSN has reason to be encouraged when it comes to his situation.

[ahhchon]

don't get me wrong, javy has potential and is still young but ease up on the all star this and all star that. the all star game is a joke, just like most of the awards given out for baseball. players are voted into the all star game by fans. making an all star game means that you are popular and have decent enough stats to be voted in. good players who have bad years always get voted in, it happens all the time and it doesn't mean crap, don't use the all star game to show that a player is good. use stats.

 

with all that said, i would welcome javy to boston with open arms. it's a bit of a chance but i don't see it as much more of a risk than clements contract.

 

john

[ARod2212]

I see Javy ending up in Queens when all is said and done, the Post is saying it would be Benson and a prospect for Vazquez.