Ramirez Asks For Trade (merged)

[mosox]

Yeah, the problem is that if Manny gets frustrated enough he may just not put his heart into the game. The last thing I want is a "not trying" version of Manny--he already seems like he's not trying when he IS trying, so I would hate to see him intentionally looking slugish.

 

If he did that he'd be cutting his own throat. No one would want him in a trade and his value would sink.

[mosox]

 

Word is he's just sick of the city of Boston and no privacy. You Bostoners and annoying him, and now he wants to go. It's your own fault!

 

Then he should get rid of his downtown condo, stop making shoe commercials and go live in the 'burbs with Schilling. As he said, "you make your own destination."

[example1]

It may be Bostonian's fault that Manny isn't happy, but that's too bad for him. He just needs to once and for all make it clear to management that he wants to leave and leave it at that. They will look around and try to find a deal but every time he complains it just pisses me off. The guy makes 20 MILLION A YEAR! It is very very hard to convince someone to take that contract on, even for Manny's quality.

 

I say we keep him unless we get our money's worth. I believe Manny has been worth 20 million a year, in that he does what few others can do for less. The sox need to at least get a 15 million dollar value from him, either in young prospects for the future or in another stud MLB player. We can't get nothing for him.

 

If we keep him and get Huff I think we will have a great team.

 

I would also overpay for BJ Ryan; even overpaying for him would cost less than Billy Wagner and he's younger. Not quite as good but younger and cheaper. Then I would split most of the relieving duties between Timlin, Hansen and Ryan either using Ryan against Lefthanded lineups early in the game, or using Hansen and Timlin for the majority of 7th and 8th innings and closing with Ryan.

 

I think Foulke is done and don't expect a whole lot from him.

[MC Hammer]

Then he should get rid of his downtown condo, stop making shoe commercials and go live in the 'burbs with Schilling. As he said, "you make your own destination."

And maybe not let those same "nebby" Bostonians have pictures of his sons bedroom.

 

Manny has said one thing and done another for quite some time now. I don't care what this guy does or says. I don't care if he wants a trade. I don't care if he sets fire to fenway(as long as it's put out before damage is done). I want this guy in my lineup as long as he's hitting 40+ and 140+. I understand that one day we will have to cope with the fact that there will no longer be Manny, but I want that to be on the day he retires. I don't think Manny really knows what he wants.

[example1]

And maybe not let those same "nebby" Bostonians have pictures of his sons bedroom.

 

Manny has said one thing and done another for quite some time now. I don't care what this guy does or says. I don't care if he wants a trade. I don't care if he sets fire to fenway(as long as it's put out before damage is done). I want this guy in my lineup as long as he's hitting 40+ and 140+. I understand that one day we will have to cope with the fact that there will no longer be Manny, but I want that to be on the day he retires. I don't think Manny really knows what he wants.

 

I totally agree. Manny will be discontented in any other city. I can't IMAGINE what the yankees or any other rival would be like if they got Manny. The guy really is the best right handed hitter in the AL, I don't care what ARod does.

 

I wish there was a way Sox fans could let manny know that he is appreciated and we don't want him to leave, but he doesn't seem to really notice too much. I don't want the era of Ortiz and Ramirez to end and I hope he doesn't either. I wonder if they get along personally... two years ago, when Pedro was around, they seemed pretty chummy. Now it seems a little less so. I wonder if Manny is having a hard time with Papi being so good.

[riverside sluggers]

I wish there was a way Sox fans could let manny know that he is appreciated and we don't want him to leave, but he doesn't seem to really notice too much. I don't want the era of Ortiz and Ramirez to end and I hope he doesn't either. I wonder if they get along personally... two years ago, when Pedro was around, they seemed pretty chummy. Now it seems a little less so. I wonder if Manny is having a hard time with Papi being so good.

 

i thought that the raucous standing ovation (I was among them at that game) for him coming out as a pinch hitter on the day of the trading deadline would be proof enough for him. Manny had to compose himself of all the cheers going on and then had a long battle at bat, in the end driving a single past the infielder's knocking the go-ahead run score. After the game saying "this is where i want to be. Manny being Manny, man."

[MC Hammer]

I wonder if Manny is having a hard time with Papi being so good.

That ran through my head. Maybe it has a little something to do with the fact that he can't be the best hitter on his team if Papi is in the lineup. Maybe it's because some of his fan love is now being shared between himself and Papi. Who knows what Manny's thinking. I just wish he would enjoy being here and accept the fact that every fan in RSN wants him to go down as one of the best players to ever put on a Red Sox uniform ... and they never want him to leave.

[yankeessuck013]

if manny is traded, konerko is a must get

[example1]

I like the idea too, but is Konerko THAT good? Looking at his numbers I would say no. He's a pretty decent first baseman with a great bat, but he doesn't put up anywhere near the numbers that manny does. Only one season over .900 OPS in 7 seasons over 120 games. Manny, by comparison has had 11 straight seasons over .900 and 6 of those were over 1.000. I don't think Konerko is the be-all and end-all in the replacing Manny sweepstakes. He's pretty good and was clearly the power hitter on a team that didn't really have a lot of power hitters.

 

If Manny and Damon go and are replaced by Huff and Konerko it would be pretty good. I don't think we'll get Konerko though. I imagine it will be Huff and a few other players, with a serious run at Burnett and BJ Ryan.

[thewarriorscode12]

I totally agree. Manny will be discontented in any other city. I can't IMAGINE what the yankees or any other rival would be like if they got Manny. The guy really is the best right handed hitter in the AL, I don't care what ARod does.

 

I wish there was a way Sox fans could let manny know that he is appreciated and we don't want him to leave, but he doesn't seem to really notice too much. I don't want the era of Ortiz and Ramirez to end and I hope he doesn't either. I wonder if they get along personally... two years ago, when Pedro was around, they seemed pretty chummy. Now it seems a little less so. I wonder if Manny is having a hard time with Papi being so good.

I wonder if Manny realizes he's a lot of the reason Ortiz is so good. With Manny protecting Ortiz, he sees a lot of pitches he wouldn't without Manny behind him. That's the key to our whole offense right there, if we unload Manny, we sure as hell better get someone who can protect Ortiz, otherwise we're in a bit of trouble. Anyways, Manny will likely not be traded, there just aren't enough teams that could take on 20 million a year, outside the Yankees, but I don't think they want him. The Mets are out, the Yankees are out, I don't think Arizona has enough to be taken serious. That leaves Manny's old team, Cleveland who he expressed interest in earlier. But, why would Cleveland want him? They're team is young, inexpensive, and loaded with potential, why would they want a player approaching the end of his prime who makes 20 million a year?

[Optimist]

Manny in Left, Matsui in Center, and Sheff in right...

 

Not going to happen...but I can dream, can't I?

[BoSox84]

Sox Brass not hapy this was leaked.

 

"Loose lips sink ships." According to the Boston Red Sox brass, the organization's ship is airtight. The leaks are springing from elsewhere.

 

Red Sox officials are livid over a Boston Globe report that cited a team source saying Manny Ramirez repeated his request for a trade, The Boston Herald reported Sunday.

 

On Friday, general manager Theo Epstein told the Globe that it was "ridiculous" that details of private conversations were leaked. While not confirming or denying the report in Saturday's Boston Globe, team owner John Henry told the Herald in an e-mail that the source of the leak was not from the Red Sox.

 

"I echo Theo's remarks [saturday] that deplore leaks to the media regarding private conversations," Henry wrote. "I was able to ascertain that [saturday's] story on Manny did not come from the Red Sox."

 

A source on the Red Sox told the Herald the team was "furious" over Saturday's report.

 

According to the Globe, one of Ramirez's representatives told Henry that Ramirez again wanted to be sent to a different team and wouldn't report to spring training unless his wish to be dealt is met.

 

Ramirez has the veteran right -- he is a 10-5 player, meaning 10 years of continuous major league service, five with the same club -- to block a trade to a team he doesn't want to join, and Gene Mato, one of Ramirez' representatives, said the slugger might change his mind during the process, The Globe reported.

 

Ramirez is due $57 million from his $160 million, eight-year contract: $19 million in 2006, $18 million in 2007 and $20 million in 2008. The deal also includes team options for two additional seasons at $20 million annually.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2208341

[GhostofMalzone]

I wonder about the timing of this, “Manny wants to be traded” statement.

The Sox and Theo are in contract talks and a lot of dirty laundry about the

inner-workings and of the organization has been aired to the public.

From what I make of this and this is only my own “opinion” is that, Manny

isn’t a big fan of Lucchino’s, But gets along fine with Theo. It would be

inappropriate for Manny (or any other player on the team) to say anything

directly about the talks between Lucchino and Theo to the media.

In the article in the Globe it said that, “Manny wants to be traded”, But would

“consider staying with the Sox” What would make Manny “consider staying

with the Sox”? It’s not the money, It’s not playing time, It’s not notoriety,

I can’t see the Sox giving Manny anymore then he’s already got.

 

Unless?, Manny wants to influences the outcome of the negotiations between

Lucchino and Theo indirectly. It’s the timing of the Manny statment that makes me

wonder? Is Manny on Theo’s side? Without coming right out and saying he’s on

Theo’s side. Don’t forget this statement came out right in the middle of the uncertainty

about Theo’s future with the Sox.

[RedSoxRooter]

I think it's more like this. The Red Sox leaked the Manny story but are denying it. The "livid" response to the leak is intended to prove that the Red Sox and the Globe are not in bed together.

 

It's an effort to give the Glove more credibility.

[GhostofMalzone]

I think it's more like this. The Red Sox leaked the Manny story but are denying it. The "livid" response to the leak is intended to prove that the Red Sox and the Globe are not in bed together.

 

It's an effort to give the Glove more credibility.

 

 

I didn’t realize that the Globe needed any credibility. I

thought it was understood that the Globe was the print

voice of the Red Sox, and how would the Sox profit by

leaking the Manny story other then to draw heat away

from the Theo negotiations.

Then again, I haven’t lived in New England for the past

10 years and rely mainly on the Internet for any Red Sox

information.

[GhostofMalzone]

I think it's more like this. The Red Sox leaked the Manny story but are denying it. The "livid" response to the leak is intended to prove that the Red Sox and the Globe are not in bed together.

 

It's an effort to give the Glove more credibility.

 

 

I didn’t realize that the Globe needed any credibility. I

thought it was understood that the Globe was the print

voice of the Red Sox, and how would the Sox profit by

leaking the Manny story other then to draw heat away

from the Theo negotiations.

Then again, I haven’t lived in New England for the past

10 years and rely mainly on the Internet for any Red Sox

information.

[Sox Fan on Cape]

GhostofMalzone. why are you double posting ?

 

http://www.talksox.com/forum/showthread.php?p=91131#post91131

http://www.talksox.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4754&page=3

[Sox Fan on Cape]

I wonder about the timing of this, “Manny wants to be traded” statement.

The Sox and Theo are in contract talks and a lot of dirty laundry about the

inner-workings and of the organization has been aired to the public.

From what I make of this and this is only my own “opinion” is that, Manny

isn’t a big fan of Lucchino’s, But gets along fine with Theo. It would be

inappropriate for Manny (or any other player on the team) to say anything

directly about the talks between Lucchino and Theo to the media.

In the article in the Globe it said that, “Manny wants to be traded”, But would

“consider staying with the Sox” What would make Manny “consider staying

with the Sox”? It’s not the money, It’s not playing time, It’s not notoriety,

I can’t see the Sox giving Manny anymore then he’s already got.

 

Unless?, Manny wants to influences the outcome of the negotiations between

Lucchino and Theo indirectly. It’s the timing of the Manny statment that makes me

wonder? Is Manny on Theo’s side? Without coming right out and saying he’s on

Theo’s side. Don’t forget this statement came out right in the middle of the uncertainty

about Theo’s future with the Sox.

Manny could care less about who is the GM, CEO, etc. Manny only cares about what Manny wants at the time. He's like New England weather, wait at minute and it will change. There's no logic or rational thought applicable to either.

[GhostofMalzone]

Manny could care less about who is the GM, CEO, etc. Manny only cares about what Manny wants at the time. He's like New England weather, wait at minute and it will change. There's no logic or rational thought applicable to either.

 

 

 

 

Sox fan on Cape, Do you have some type of problem

with me posting on this site? If you do? Say So, If not?

Then I think I’m entitled to my owen opinion (No matter

how unfounded you may think they are)

BTW, I thought I had deleted the first post. I’m terribly

Sorry.

[Sox Fan on Cape]

Sox fan on Cape, Do you have some type of problem

with me posting on this site? If you do? Say So, If not?

Then I think I’m entitled to my owen opinion (No matter

how unfounded you may think they are)

BTW, I thought I had deleted the first post. I’m terribly

Sorry.

No problem at all. I just noticed that you were double posting ( actually twice ), and just wanted to you advise you. Yes, you are entitled to your opinion. As I am to mine. Don't worry about it. I'm not trying to stalk you or anything. You and I, are probably the eldest members on this site. Carry on my friend !!

Also, see the PM I sent you.

[Cityofchampions33]

The only problem Manny has expressed with the city of Boston is basically lack of privacy. Now, I am amused at this for a few reasons...

 

1) He had Boston magazine take pictures of his son's room

2) He lives in the f***ing Ritz, in the MIDDLE of Boston

3) He does his own shopping, I saw him at the Galleria once

 

Solutions:

1) Don't let people into your house

2) Move to a suburb, preferably secluded

3) Hire someone to get your stuff, you make 20 million dollars.

[noonanberg]

Cant wait for Manny to leave. You said he needs to hire someone? I'll take him for free to Logan for his one- way ticket out of here.

[riverside sluggers]

according to boston.com, the mets are still pursuing talks to be held with the sox for a manny trade deal. Though it has been reported about Mike Cameron, the Mets would be willing to give the sox starting pitcher Aaron Heilman and up and coming outfielder Lastings Milledge.

 

im not so sure about heilman though

[jimmycarter05]

i don't want to sign manny get traded, but to the right team(clevend), this could be a great deal for us...now i know i've kinda gone "out there" with my ideas before, but here is my proposed trade, this one, i think, could maybe happen if manny gets traded;

 

Cleveland;

Manny

 

Boston;

Hafner

Coco Crisp/Grady Sizemore(one or the other)

Jake Westbrook

 

now if this trade happens, even though he's LH, we get a great young hitter(hafner), another great leadoff hitter with left fielder(coco)or center(grady), and a good young arm(westbrook)...now we can trade wells for a CF or LF or we could sign a CF(preston wilson, a good power bat, 25-30 HRs) or a LF, TROT NIXON and trade arroyo for huff...maybe with the rest of the money go get some bullpen arms...so the 2006 boston team would be;

 

sizmore-CF/renteria-SS(maybe)

crisp-LF/Nixon-LF/RF

ortiz-1b

hafner-DH

huff-RF/LF

wilson-CF

tek-C

cora/perioda- 2b

youkilis- 3b

 

pitching;

 

schilling

wakefield

westbrook

clement

papelbon

 

bullpen;

 

foulke(very short lease)

hansen(SU,CL)

timlin

bradford

farnsworth/al reyes/taveraz/ryan(only one of them)

declarman

myers(lefty specialist)

dinaro

 

other people

 

thinking bout it

 

this is a good, young team

[Soxfan1]

Manny was just at cleveland and wil not approve that trade. Also the Guardians would never pull that trigger. Anybody like the new avator?

[ORS]

according to boston.com, the mets are still pursuing talks to be held with the sox for a manny trade deal. Though it has been reported about Mike Cameron, the Mets would be willing to give the sox starting pitcher Aaron Heilman and up and coming outfielder Lastings Milledge.

 

im not so sure about heilman though

This would hurt the 2006 chances of a division title but would improve the future team (2007 and beyond) a lot. Milledge is ready for AAA this year, and if he handles the pitching at that level, then he'd be getting his first MLB ABs during a mid-season cup of coffee or in Sept. But, beyond this year, he's got the tools to become an excellent MLB outfielder.

 

Heilman would be a good addition to the 2006 roster. He'll be 27 next year, throws a mid-90's FB, and a very good change up. He worked mainly out of the BP for the Mets this year, but he was a starter without a rotation spot. Look at the peripherals: 8.83 K/9, 2.86 K/BB, 1.15 WHIP. He posted a 132 ERA+, his first above league average season, and tossed a 1-hit SO this season.

 

If the FO is looking for the best combination of young talent to make the team very strong post-2007, then I doubt they'll see anything better than this offered for Manny. If that is the direction they want to take, this looks like a good deal. I just don't know if the media or fans will accept brief retooling phase.

 

Personally, I kind of like the idea of sacraficing a year or two to build a solid young squad that can go on a 5-7 year period of domination once they gel together. Manny's one of the best hitters I've ever watched, and part of me doesn't want to see him go, but all good things must come to an end.

 

Of course, this is all irrelevant if the whole thing is just more media speculation.

[jimmycarter05]

This would hurt the 2006 chances of a division title but would improve the future team (2007 and beyond) a lot. Milledge is ready for AAA this year, and if he handles the pitching at that level, then he'd be getting his first MLB ABs during a mid-season cup of coffee or in Sept. But, beyond this year, he's got the tools to become an excellent MLB outfielder.

 

Heilman would be a good addition to the 2006 roster. He'll be 27 next year, throws a mid-90's FB, and a very good change up. He worked mainly out of the BP for the Mets this year, but he was a starter without a rotation spot. Look at the peripherals: 8.83 K/9, 2.86 K/BB, 1.15 WHIP. He posted a 132 ERA+, his first above league average season, and tossed a 1-hit SO this season.

 

If the FO is looking for the best combination of young talent to make the team very strong post-2007, then I doubt they'll see anything better than this offered for Manny. If that is the direction they want to take, this looks like a good deal. I just don't know if the media or fans will accept brief retooling phase.

 

Personally, I kind of like the idea of sacraficing a year or two to build a solid young squad that can go on a 5-7 year period of domination once they gel together. Manny's one of the best hitters I've ever watched, and part of me doesn't want to see him go, but all good things must come to an end.

 

Of course, this is all irrelevant if the whole thing is just more media speculation.

 

 

 

heilman and millege isn't enough for me

[Sox Fan on Cape]

heilman and millege isn't enough for me

That's based on what research and information ?

[ksushi]

Heilman Milledge and Huff is enough for me. Then im a happy boy. Either that or keep manny, that makes me happy too.

[example1]

i don't want to sign manny get traded, but to the right team(clevend), this could be a great deal for us...now i know i've kinda gone "out there" with my ideas before, but here is my proposed trade, this one, i think, could maybe happen if manny gets traded;

 

Cleveland;

Manny

 

Boston;

Hafner

Coco Crisp/Grady Sizemore(one or the other)

Jake Westbrook

 

now if this trade happens, even though he's LH, we get a great young hitter(hafner), another great leadoff hitter with left fielder(coco)or center(grady), and a good young arm(westbrook)...now we can trade wells for a CF or LF or we could sign a CF(preston wilson, a good power bat, 25-30 HRs) or a LF, TROT NIXON and trade arroyo for huff...maybe with the rest of the money go get some bullpen arms...so the 2006 boston team would be;

 

sizmore-CF/renteria-SS(maybe)

crisp-LF/Nixon-LF/RF

ortiz-1b

hafner-DH

huff-RF/LF

wilson-CF

tek-C

cora/perioda- 2b

youkilis- 3b

 

pitching;

 

schilling

wakefield

westbrook

clement

papelbon

 

bullpen;

 

foulke(very short lease)

hansen(SU,CL)

timlin

bradford

farnsworth/al reyes/taveraz/ryan(only one of them)

declarman

myers(lefty specialist)

dinaro

 

other people

 

thinking bout it

 

this is a good, young team

 

I appreciate that you realize that sometimes you go "out there". This is no exception. The chances of the sox getting travis hafner are very, very low. He's worth a lot. Manny has said he would go back to cleveland, actually, so its not entirely crazy, but not likely. Hafner AND Sizemore AND Crisp, I don't think so. Sorry.

 

I think the rotation of

Schilling

Burnett

Clement

Wakefield

Papelbon

is more solid top to bottom and is more realistic.