Umpires playing roles in the outcome of baseball games

[jimmycarter05]

clearly as all of us have seen the umpires in both leagues have made impacts in both series...with all the bad calls by the umps against the angels and game 4 of the cards/astros when la russa and edmonds both getting ejected, do the umps really play a role in the outcome of a baseball game?

[Manny Goes Boom]

clearly as all of us have seen the umpires in both leagues have made impacts in both series...with all the bad calls by the umps against the angels and game 4 of the cards/astros when la russa and edmonds both getting ejected, do the umps really play a role in the outcome of a baseball game?

You don't ever want them to. Though sometimes it looks like it doesn't it?

[BoSox84]

It's terrible because theres some great baseball being played, and that is getting over looked.

[riverside sluggers]

of course they do. look at the angels/white sox game 2 with two outs in the 9th inning that gave the white sox another life.

 

Last year the Umps ejecting Arod for intefering with the play, slapping bronson's glove. jeter had scored but they ordered Jeter back to 2nd base, and the Yankees' run was taken off of the board. The Umps also had convened and confirmed Bellhorn actually had hit a HR, not a double. and thats just several examples.

[Manny Goes Boom]

of course they do. look at the angels/white sox game 2 with two outs in the 9th inning that gave the white sox another life.

 

Last year the Umps ejecting Arod for intefering with the play, slapping bronson's glove. jeter had scored but they ordered Jeter back to 2nd base, and the Yankees' run was taken off of the board. The Umps also had convened and confirmed Bellhorn actually had hit a HR, not a double. and thats just several examples.

 

Yeah but these two calls were CORRECTED. The White Sox/Angels Game 2 was not corrected. I only want the crucial calls to be right.

[riverside sluggers]

Yeah but these two calls were CORRECTED. The White Sox/Angels Game 2 was not corrected. I only want the crucial calls to be right.

 

really? i didnt know that. but think about what if those players werent overturned, umps still changed the course of the games by getting those calls, wouldnt you say??

[schillingouttheks]

Well it's their job to get them correct...that's like saying they affect the game's outcome just by calling balls and strikes. If we are talking about the calls being correct, then they ALWAYS in 100% of the plays have an impact. We're focusing more on their blown calls and how much of an impact those have on the outcome of the game.

[Manny Goes Boom]

really? i didnt know that. but think about what if those players werent overturned, umps still changed the course of the games by getting those calls, wouldnt you say??

 

Very true.

[RedRuffing15]

I think that umps will...no matter what... always play a part in the outcome....I mean, if you can show me one playoff series where there wasn't on bad call....I'd give you a nickle

 

 

They happen all the time....thing is, only the big ones we remembers, that call at 1st I see on ESPN a lot...or the call the other day(even though..in my eyes, I think it hit the ground, or it was just too close to test)...or the A-Rod or anything.....I mean how many people remember a bad call in the top of the first of game one of the ALDS....its not that big in our eyes unless it most defiantly changed the outcome of the game, thats the only time we step in and call out the umps...but it always happens

[He Hate Me]

Just be glad that the Umps union got broken, or they would be even worse.

[Ray10]

I was surprised to see that the Umps got a call right last night on the Escobar tagging Pierzinsky play at 1st.

[Cityofchampions33]

MLB should test all the umpires in that Quezteck or w/e u call it that they use at Fenway, this way they can grade who's the best umpires and use them for the playoffs. If not use a manager and player vote. Another idea is that they all get a hand-book for what hand signals to use in diff. situations. Honestly, that umps call was bogus, he said he made the "swing and miss" signal, which doesn't change anything, and then made the out sign, announcing he is in fact out. He has no excuse, even if he made the "swing n miss" signal, what does that do? That just means he wiffed. At least he shouldn't have made the out signal, because that is false, Pierzynski was still in play and isn't out until they throw to 1st. I'm still confused why they didn't hold a mini-conference and correct it, though I don't know how they would.

[thewarriorscode12]

clearly as all of us have seen the umpires in both leagues have made impacts in both series...with all the bad calls by the umps against the angels and game 4 of the cards/astros when la russa and edmonds both getting ejected, do the umps really play a role in the outcome of a baseball game?

Unfortunately, yes they do play a role in the outcome of games. Sometimes a crucial role.

[thee sox]

Yeah but these two calls were CORRECTED. The White Sox/Angels Game 2 was not corrected. I only want the crucial calls to be right.

 

It was the correct call. You probably think I'm biased, but I also thought the ball was caught at first. The more I watched the replay though, the more you could see that the ball changes directions. It comes in at the ground and moves UPWARDS into the mitt of Josh Paul. Besides, the umpire did check the ball after the play was over and apparantly there was no evidence to say otherwise (scuffs?). That ball hit the ground. If Escobar can cause his pitch to break up as well as down, he's the best pitcher I've ever seen.

[jimmycarter05]

It was the correct call. You probably think I'm biased, but I also thought the ball was caught at first. The more I watched the replay though, the more you could see that the ball changes directions. It comes in at the ground and moves UPWARDS into the mitt of Josh Paul. Besides, the umpire did check the ball after the play was over and apparantly there was no evidence to say otherwise (scuffs?). That ball hit the ground. If Escobar can cause his pitch to break up as well as down, he's the best pitcher I've ever seen.

 

you have to be crazy if you think that ball hit the ground..i mean come on, it was low, but it was clearly caught...and i guess you didn't watch posenick or whatever his name is get picked off at first by shields and then get thrown out stealing by molina...true the white sox had great pitching in that series but the angels got shaften, bad

[thee sox]

you have to be crazy if you think that ball hit the ground..i mean come on, it was low, but it was clearly caught...and i guess you didn't watch posenick or whatever his name is get picked off at first by shields and then get thrown out stealing by molina...true the white sox had great pitching in that series but the angels got shaften, bad

 

The ball hit the ground, explain how it defies gravity and moves upward? Is it a magical floating ball or what?

 

Podsednik was picked off, but the umpire is in no position to make that call. If the tag came in higher, instead of behind Podsednik on his thigh, he would have been called out. No one can say they could make a better call in either opportunity.

 

And neither of these calls affected the ending of the game until THE ANGELS SCREWED UP. If the tying and winning run came in on AJ's play, then I guess there could be controversy, but you have endure umpire's mistakes, they're going to happen. The Sox had their fair share all year, including this series. Rowand looked safe to me in Game 2...and if he's called safe at home, the game is over before the bottom of the ninth even comes around. Sounds like bitterness to me...

[Manny Goes Boom]

The ball hit the ground, explain how it defies gravity and moves upward? Is it a magical floating ball or what?

 

Podsednik was picked off, but the umpire is in no position to make that call. If the tag came in higher, instead of behind Podsednik on his thigh, he would have been called out. No one can say they could make a better call in either opportunity.

 

And neither of these calls affected the ending of the game until THE ANGELS SCREWED UP. If the tying and winning run came in on AJ's play, then I guess there could be controversy, but you have endure umpire's mistakes, they're going to happen. The Sox had their fair share all year, including this series. Rowand looked safe to me in Game 2...and if he's called safe at home, the game is over before the bottom of the ninth even comes around. Sounds like bitterness to me...

 

Look regardless of the catch, I was more concerned with the call itself. If he thought Paul did not catch the ball and he apparantely did he should have SAID something. But that call led to the Angels screwing up, no call=no screw up. But regardless, the Angels only won one game ANYWAY, so if they lost in say 7 I think it would be more controversial and people would still be red hot about this. I think that people are calming down, especially after the 4 straight performances by the White Sox pitchers.

 

Not bitterness, chill out bro people only want the calls to be right, thats all. And have some humility, if that ump said anything and Paul got Pyrzenski out, they might still be playing the ALCS.

 

Oh and if you think about a splitters movement...when a glove covers it the rotation would bring the ball up. Think about it, its true...and a curve which wasn't what Escobar threw would bring the ball down. Escobar has a dominant split and it only makes logical sense that it would have the insane spin to grab the sides of the glove and pull itself up.

[liveordie1011]

w/o these bad calls, angels mightve gone to the world series

[Moose]

w/o these bad calls, angels mightve gone to the world series

 

Also, without Jose Contreras, Mark Buehrle, Jon Garland, Freddy Garcia, Paul Konerko, and Joe Crede, the Angels might've gone to the World Series.

 

 

Quit blaming the umpires.

[MC Hammer]

The ball hit the ground

No way. No f***ign way in hell did that ball even come close to hitting the ground. It was very clearly a catch even watching it live. Look, you and your team got a break ... please don't try to ******** us and pretend that you wont hat game fair and square. Just accept the fact that you won 2 games in that series, either partly or wholey, based on the errors on umpires.

[Ray10]

Honestly even though I think the umps were terrible It didn't affect the outcome of the series. Considering that the White Sox had 4 complete games in a row from their pitcher which had nothing to do with the umpires. Honestly even if the umps were good the Sox would have won this series. Blame the Angels for getting beaten.

[empirestrikesback26]

Lets take the NBA approach. All foul balls with homer distance and close to the pole are reviewed.

[Sox Fan on Cape]

Opinion, tradition, and statistics are what make this game great. If MLB were to add all sorts of electronics to definatively call pitches, foul balls, close plays, etc. I really wouldn't be inerested in the game.

[yeszir]

Opinion, tradition, and statistics are what make this game great. If MLB were to add all sorts of electronics to definatively call pitches, foul balls, close plays, etc. I really wouldn't be inerested in the game.

Amen. Not to mention the fact that it would be all kinds of boring to see a manager turn his hat around and kick dirt at a computer.

[Sox Fan on Cape]

That would be cause for a blue screen.

[yeszir]

I'm a retard.

[YankeeDoodle]

Opinion, tradition, and statistics are what make this game great. If MLB were to add all sorts of electronics to definatively call pitches, foul balls, close plays, etc. I really wouldn't be inerested in the game.

While I don't think that umpires determine the outcome in the literal sense, I prefer the "human element" in the game to come from the players.