Wells wants out

[schillingouttheks]

Don't you mean it would replace Damon's presence?

 

Anyway, hmm I haven't heard a lot about Otsuka.

[yankeessuck013]

According to the Boston Globe, the Red Sox are trying to get the Angels and Dodgers interested in David Wells, in part to get the Padres to move quickly.

 

The Red Sox probably want both Akinori Otsuka and Dave Roberts for Wells, which is more than the Padres are currently willing to pay. San Diego is certainly in no hurry to get a deal done. With Vinny Castilla in town, how much more help can they need?

[riverside sluggers]

With Vinny Castilla in town, how much more help can they need?

 

they need serious help with their starting rotation, Castilla is an aging 3rd baseman whose probably already seen his best years go by

[Soxfan1]

Don't you mean it would replace Damon's presence?

 

Anyway, hmm I haven't heard a lot about Otsuka.

I meant Millar but that is good too.

[stocker323]

According to the Boston Globe, the Red Sox are trying to get the Angels and Dodgers interested in David Wells, in part to get the Padres to move quickly.

 

The Red Sox probably want both Akinori Otsuka and Dave Roberts for Wells, which is more than the Padres are currently willing to pay. San Diego is certainly in no hurry to get a deal done. With Vinny Castilla in town, how much more help can they need?

 

You should really quote sites when you copy content directly from it.

[yankeessuck013]

You should really quote sites when you copy content directly from it.

 

I always wrote "per rotoworld" under it, but I didn't this time cause I thought it was kind of obvious.

[guapo34]

According to the Boston Globe, the Red Sox are trying to get the Angels and Dodgers interested in David Wells, in part to get the Padres to move quickly.

 

The Red Sox probably want both Akinori Otsuka and Dave Roberts for Wells, which is more than the Padres are currently willing to pay. San Diego is certainly in no hurry to get a deal done. With Vinny Castilla in town, how much more help can they need?

 

 

There seems to be less interest in Wells than you'd expect. Of course, the team he is dead set on going to is a small market team and hes no bargain at potentially 9 million. I'm sure he'd go to a few other teams on the West Coast but it doesn't look like we've gotten much interest out there either. It will be interesting to see if his choices come down to pitching for the sox or retiring what he will do. I wouldn't mind seeing him come back. If he sucks you can move Pappelbon into his spot for the second half and not have to pay him those crazy incentives for the extra starts. I know its a long shot but it seems more likely every day.

[riverside sluggers]

Wells has to be moved. Josh Beckett has been acquires and they are still said to be seeking another starting pitcher whether it be through trade or free agency

 

under contract 2006

Josh Beckett

Curt Schilling

Jonathan Papelbon

David Wells

Tim Wakefield

Matt Clement

Bronson Arroyo

[guapo34]

Wells has to be moved. Josh Beckett has been acquires and they are still said to be seeking another starting pitcher whether it be through trade or free agency

 

under contract 2006

Josh Beckett

Curt Schilling

Jonathan Papelbon

David Wells

Tim Wakefield

Matt Clement

Bronson Arroyo

 

 

Theres a good chance Papelbon starts the season in the bullpen, and that either clement or Arroyo get moved. It is obvious that the Sox have more pitchers than they can use though. The bullpen could also includes foulke, timlin, hansen, mota, bradford, myers, delcarmen, and dinardo.

[riverside sluggers]

The bullpen could also includes foulke, timlin, hansen, mota, bradford, myers, delcarmen, and dinardo.

 

Id rather have Papelbon start the season off in the rotation.

 

A bullpen of papelbon, foulke, timlin, hansen, mota, bradford, myers, delcarmen and dinardo is really simply too many pitchers to have sitting in relief. The average pitching staff (starting and relief) consists of 12 pitchers. IMO more pitchers in the pen equals less backup players that can be on the bench. Besides its been noted several times Hansen and DelCarmen will start 2006 off in Triple A to work on their mechanics.

 

Starting Rotation:

Josh Beckett

Curt Schilling

Jonathan Papelbon

Matt Clement

Tim Wakefield

 

Bullpen:

Long Innings- Bronson Arroyo

Lefty Outs- Mike Myers

Righty Outs- Chad Bradford

Setup Men- Akinori Otsuka (Wells trade if possible) or Matt Mantei is a possible resigning

Guillermo Mota

Mike Timlin

Closer- Keith Foulke

[jimmycarter05]

Id rather have Papelbon start the season off in the rotation.

Starting Rotation:

Josh Beckett

Curt Schilling

Jonathan Papelbon

Matt Clement

Tim Wakefield

[/quote/]

 

if thats your pitchers its alright, just alright because i'm not sold on clement and him making 8.5 million a year, but if thats the order they pitch in it's not, papelbon pitched excellent last year, but that does not get him as a 3rd starter, he's more of a 5th coming into his first full season, and wakefield at the end? come on he's a knuckleballer, put him between 2 hard throwers namely schilling and beckett, here's what the rotation should look like with the pitchers you have;

 

beckett

wakefield

schilling-he is 14-2 pitching in games after wake loses

clement-would love to have someone else here

papelbon

[riverside sluggers]

Oh dude please, getting at me because of the way i put the rotation? Even Gordon Edes on "Red Sox Now" had mentioned Wakefield as a #5 starter, callling him a work force gap starter, which is what he is. So its not just me

 

Besides the order the rotations are set up never stay the same the whole season, with pitchers out sick or on DL, all star break, possible suspensions, playoffs setp, etc.

[guapo34]

Id rather have Papelbon start the season off in the rotation.

 

Papelbon does look ready to start, I agree. That does not mean he is going to. Francona has shown a preference for older more established players. Even if he doesn't start the season in the rotation theres a good chance he'll get lots of opportunities to start. How often does a teams top five starters stay healthy all year?

[ahhchon]

As for Freddy Guzman you haven't seen anything from the kid have you??? The guy can fly and he hits a good average.....you are judging him based on the fact he is a young player who hasn't done anything 'YET'...you would just assume get the old farts who have been around the league a long time who had success at some point. I want the young guys who will be future stars.

 

I'm having the same argument with people who hate the deal for Manny Ramirez.....what happens if we move Manny for someone like Ervin Santana??? What happens is Ervin becomes the next Roy Halladay or Johan Santana or Mark Prior??? Freddy Guzman may be the next Jimmy Rollins....you think we can trade David Wells for Jimmy Rollins?? Dream on but if you get him before he brings out his full potential...then you just came out on top although at first sight you may not have thought so.

 

as we all know doing well in the minors does not mean that you will do well in the majors. the level of competition is far to different. what you speak of is very one sided. yes, santana could become the next halladay etc etc, but he could also become the next one year wonder. you can't trade david wells for jimmy rollins but you also can't say that guzman will be the next rollins. trading away wells for a prospect is pretty silly imo (unless he's serious about retiring, which i doubt). keep the proven starter, i don't believe in too much pitching.

 

john

[SuperManny]

wakefield was our team leader in ERA, Wins, and K's last year - hes not our #5. I would say he's probably 3-4 this year. But anyways the number only matters at the begining of the season and in the playoffs so its not a big deal. Wells was our opening day starter last year.

[jsinger121]

Interesting thing I just read on MLB4U:

the Padres maybe planning to sign J.T. Snow and spin Gonzalez to the Red Sox with along with Woody Williams or another player for David Wells

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Interesting thing I just read on MLB4U:

the Padres maybe planning to sign J.T. Snow and spin Gonzalez to the Red Sox with along with Woody Williams or another player for David Wells

 

That is interesting but what will we do with Woody Williams??

 

as we all know doing well in the minors does not mean that you will do well in the majors. the level of competition is far to different. what you speak of is very one sided. yes, santana could become the next halladay etc etc, but he could also become the next one year wonder. you can't trade david wells for jimmy rollins but you also can't say that guzman will be the next rollins. trading away wells for a prospect is pretty silly imo (unless he's serious about retiring, which i doubt). keep the proven starter, i don't believe in too much pitching.

 

john

 

We traded Edgar Renteria for a prospect. True he is a better prospect than Guzman but then again...Renteria has a LOT more value than David Wells. The man is 42 years old I'm not suprised things have been real quite on the Wells trade front. Its basically one and done with him how much longer can he pitch?? How much longer will players like Adrian Gonzalez and Freddy Guzman play?? Being able to get a player 20 years younger is a huge pickup if you ask me.

[Beckett95]

Adrian Gonzalez's agent doesn't believe the first baseman will be moved on to Boston following the completion of the Adam Eaton deal.

"We kicked that around today and I don't think so," said agent John Boggs. "I think both the Padres and Adrian realize how great it would be for Gonzalez to be San Diego's first baseman for seasons to come. All I've ever heard from the Padres is how they value Gonzalez." The current speculation is that Gonzalez won't take over at first base for the Padres until 2007, but after factoring in defense, he's probably a better player than Ryan Klesko right now. Dec. 21 - 12:42 pm et

[Beckett95]

The Dodgers are reemerging as a suitor for David Wells, according to the Boston Globe.

The previous rumors regarding the Dodgers had reliever Jonathan Broxton involved. That's a trade the Red Sox could make, but we wonder if they might seek to relieve the Dodgers of J.D. Drew's contract, with either Wells or Matt Clement going the way. It'd be a risk, but a healthy Drew would exceed Johnny Damon's production and cover enough ground in center field. The Red Sox are also discussing Wells with the Padres, who could send back prospects which would then be used to lure Julio Lugo out of Tampa Bay. Dec.

rotoworld

[Beckett95]

boston globe

As for Wells, the Sox approached their talks with the Dodgers with some urgency, trying to find a match with new general manager Ned Colletti, who has warmed to the idea of having the 42-year-old lefthander join a rotation that goes four deep in veterans but lacks someone with the big-game cachet of the Boomer. Derek Lowe? He did it for one unforgettable month. Wells has 15 years' worth of high-tension success on his résumé, though he surely would like to take back the hanging curveball he threw to Tadahito Iguchi this past October in the game that dashed the Red Sox season.

 

The Dodgers appear to have replaced the Padres as the most likely landing spot for Wells, who is insisting on a trade that will put him back on the West Coast. Colletti has done a masterful job of hanging onto the Dodgers' top prospects while adding nearly $70 million in new free agents, including Nomar Garciaparra, Rafael Furcal, and Bill Mueller. But the Sox, who gave up two pitching prospects (Anibal Sánchez and Jesus Delgado) in the Josh Beckett deal, no doubt are asking the Dodgers for young arms such as Edwin Jackson, Jonathan Broxton, and Chad Billingsley or third baseman Andy LaRoche in return for Wells, who turns 43 next May.

 

The other track the Sox could take would be to add another reliever, and with Eric Gagne expected to be healthy again, the Dodgers could dangle either Yhency Brazoban or Duaner Sanchez, with Colletti probably more inclined to part with a setup man than one of his kids. But as of last night, it appeared the Sox were insisting on prospects, as well, with the possibility that they'll use a player or players acquired from LA in another trade for another player in which they have interest, Tampa Bay shortstop Julio Lugo. But so far, the asking price for Lugo has been more than the Sox are willing to accept for a player who they'd have under their control for just one season.

 

The latest round of talks with the Padres, according to a source, had GM Kevin Towers reviving his offer of center fielder Dave Roberts and righthander Woody Williams for Wells. But the Sox appear to have little interest in Williams, who is scheduled to earn $5 million next season.

 

I dont no why the dodgers would give up laroche or billingsley or anyone of those guys for d wells

[elsrbueno]

boston globe

 

 

I dont no why the dodgers would give up laroche or billingsley or anyone of those guys for d wells

 

Or why the Sox would ask for LaRoche (ANOTHER third baseman) in trade is beyond me.

 

David Wells is a big game pitcher and despite being 42 IMO has some value. I doubt the Sox would get a top prospect for Wells.

 

What might make sense from LA is a package of Brazoban and Choi for Wells. Choi is still young (26), has potential, and is a lefty who can platoon with Youk at first. Brazoban deepens the bullpen that is (IMO) still suspect.

[Beckett95]

Or why the Sox would ask for LaRoche (ANOTHER third baseman) in trade is beyond me.

 

David Wells is a big game pitcher and despite being 42 IMO has some value. I doubt the Sox would get a top prospect for Wells.

 

What might make sense from LA is a package of Brazoban and Choi for Wells. Choi is still young (26), has potential, and is a lefty who can platoon with Youk at first. Brazoban deepens the bullpen that is (IMO) still suspect.

 

thats exactly what i was thinking. Sanckez or Brazoban with choi for wells. Choi isnt going to play with Nomar there and we could use him off the bench or to platoon with youk.

[riverside sluggers]

well the concensus was the trade would be the main reason so they could swing prospects around to tampa bay for Lugo.

 

But as of last night, it appeared the Sox were insisting on prospects, as well, with the possibility that they'll use a player or players acquired from LA in another trade for another player in which they have interest, Tampa Bay shortstop Julio Lugo.

 

Personally Id have Sox do this trade including LaRoche, then swing him instead to Cleveland since they are seeking a prized 3rd baseman prospect. In the end we could end up with Coco Crisp and retain Marte.

[26 to 6]

Just a ranodm question...would you guys, as Red Sox fans make the follwoign trade??

 

Red Sox Get:

Cesar Izturis

Jason Repko

 

Dodgers Get:

David Wells

Abe Alvarez

Brandon Moss/Lenny DiNardo

[Cityofchampions33]

I don't mind it at all, however I don't think we can deal DiNardo just now because of our LHP shortage. Also I think we should try our hardest to keep Moss in a deal like this, maybe try and go with Chris Durbin? or I'd say West but he's supposedly heading to the Cubs for the JVB deal.

[pats55sox45]

i wouldnt do that, would not involve moss

plus, izturis is hurt

[elsrbueno]

Just a ranodm question...would you guys, as Red Sox fans make the follwoign trade??

 

Red Sox Get:

Cesar Izturis

Jason Repko

 

Dodgers Get:

David Wells

Abe Alvarez

Brandon Moss/Lenny DiNardo

 

No, I wouldn't. Cesar Izturis is a good defensive shortstop but his bat just isn't that good. He's still young and has a chance to improve, but for Wells, Alvarez and Moss or DiNardo, I'd want more. I have to admit I don't really know a thing about Jason Repko.

 

Let's face facts here-- the Red Sox are rebuilding-- it doesn't make a lot of sense to trade away guys like Moss or Alvarez at this point.

 

If Wells is going to LA I'd be much more inclined to trade for a package that includes Hee Seop Choi and Yhency Brazoban than the abovementioned package.

[elsrbueno]

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20051228/news_1s28padres.html

 

Very little real info here-- but I like the idea of LA and SD bidding against each other for Wells-- only helps the Red Sox return possibilities.

[Cityofchampions33]

I think I'd want more than Hensley or the other guy from SD. The Dodgers seem to have more depth on the farm, and as the article said they have a package of prospects for Wells. It looks like at the end of this we'll at least add one solid and semi-established bullpen arm.